Volume 110 - Discussion Thread (November 1st, 2024)

God Buggy

God Buggy

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#922
#922
ZenZu said:
@ConquistadoR
Remember when you thought this arc was supposed to be a display of Luffy being a Yonkou, cementing his status by taking Kizaru down fair and square (reasonable enough), instead we ended up with a half assed Kizaru babying him all arc, literally feeding him.
:gokulaugh:

Oda rubbed shit all over Luffy this arc.
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Though, Luffy did earn a real Yonkou status in Wano. G2/G3-G4 Luffy is a beast who could already beat Big Mom and repeatedly clashed with Kaido. And G5 brought him down.

It's just really unclear how much is needed to actually defeat Kizaru.
 
qwer8888

qwer8888

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#926
#926
ConquistadoR said:
He goes for the kill and is stopped by Luffy the person he fed to save them.
Then he ended up killing Vegapunk, and all cuz Kuma & SHs attacking Saturn is a crime Kizaru wont tolerate?
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Kizaru, with his speed, could have killed Vegapank at any moment, but he did it only after Saturn pierced through the Vegapank. Saying at the same time that he would die anyway. I wonder why?
 
Elder Lee Hung

Elder Lee Hung

Conqueror of the Stars
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#927
#927
Seraphoenix said:
? Lizaru could only stalemate a WCI G4 moveset Luffy who didn't even use FS. When Luffy got remotely serious he pizza diffed Lizaru in a 1v2. Admirals are trash and Oda has to give their opponents super nerfs to make it look competitive. Here he gave Goofy a 20IQ.
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Bro how does it feel to literally get mogged by Oda at every possibly opportunity?

At this point in the next SBS we’ll find out that Ryokugyu gave Saint Shanks food and that Kid let him win
:doffytroll:
 
J

Jija

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#928
#928
Garp the Fist said:
I like the Admiral backstories for Fuji and Ryo and hope Oda will actually integrate it into the plot.

Gotta say though, I think the revelation that Kizaru fed Luffy has just made the character a shambles. Somewhat redemption powerwise, but all over the fucking place as a character. “Unclear Justice” is not an excuse for absolutely incoherent actions.

So he feds Luffy in secret. Presumably because he wants to save his friends and thinks Luffy is the only way to do it, and not just because he worships Nika, but I’ll put that one on hold for now.

But he’s also blatantly attempting to murder his friends throughout the arc with zero guarantees that Luffy and the Strawhats will actually be able to save them? Like, the Sanji blocks light scene, wtf was Kizaru expecting to happen there? What happens if Sanji does not have a totally unexplained, science defying ability that Kizaru has no way of knowing about? Is he just launching the laser and thinking “ah it’s cool, I’m sure one of the Strawhats will do something about this.”

Then the great moment at the end where he gives Akainu both barrels for doubting his commitment, well, turns out Akainu was totally right, wasn’t he? Kizaru absolutely botched it. More than that, he deliberately botched it. Wtf is he getting furious at Akainu for? Akainu’s 100% right. Brilliant moment for the character utterly ruined.

Am I just supposed to buy that Kizaru is both a fabulous actor and an absolute mastermind genius who has perfectly orchestrated multiple scenarios of him looking like he has put his friends in mortal danger but is somehow aware of the fact the Strawhats will be able to save them? Except for Vegapunk, who he just gave up as dead, and in fact murdered.

Or Kizaru is not, in fact, planning anything, is basically acting on the seat of his pants the entire time and can’t make up his mind about what he actually wants to do, but still gets grossly offended when called out on it.

Really sours his arc on Egghead for me.
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It can be there was some point in egghead when kizaru finally made a decision to go for the kill. May be it was kuma's arrival. Still doesn't explain the moment when he try to kil bonny and others.
 
CoC: Color of Clowns

CoC: Color of Clowns

Force Choke the Chicken
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#933
#933
Lor D. Coast said:
Yfw Buggy is a more credible Yonko than Luffy.
Lucci was right.
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Buggy: gets attacked by all three Admirals in Marineford, survives easily while taking no damage.

Luffy: shot by Kizaru through the chest, and fainted from grief/shock, then scarred by Akainu. Need Ivankov to be able to continue fighting.

Who's durability kept Luffy from dying to Mihawk?



Never forget angry Buggy straight up challenged Mihawk to a fight, and Mihawk had to use Buggy's own weapons to be able to damage Buggy.

Bunch of frauds at Marineford acting like they have Buggy's durability. Lame.
 
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