Volume 110 - Discussion Thread (November 1st, 2024)
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I like the Admiral backstories for Fuji and Ryo and hope Oda will actually integrate it into the plot.
Gotta say though, I think the revelation that Kizaru fed Luffy has just made the character a shambles. Somewhat redemption powerwise, but all over the fucking place as a character. “Unclear Justice” is not an excuse for absolutely incoherent actions.
So he feds Luffy in secret. Presumably because he wants to save his friends and thinks Luffy is the only way to do it, and not just because he worships Nika, but I’ll put that one on hold for now.
But he’s also blatantly attempting to murder his friends throughout the arc with zero guarantees that Luffy and the Strawhats will actually be able to save them? Like, the Sanji blocks light scene, wtf was Kizaru expecting to happen there? What happens if Sanji does not have a totally unexplained, science defying ability that Kizaru has no way of knowing about? Is he just launching the laser and thinking “ah it’s cool, I’m sure one of the Strawhats will do something about this.”
Then the great moment at the end where he gives Akainu both barrels for doubting his commitment, well, turns out Akainu was totally right, wasn’t he? Kizaru absolutely botched it. More than that, he deliberately botched it. Wtf is he getting furious at Akainu for? Akainu’s 100% right. Brilliant moment for the character utterly ruined.
Am I just supposed to buy that Kizaru is both a fabulous actor and an absolute mastermind genius who has perfectly orchestrated multiple scenarios of him looking like he has put his friends in mortal danger but is somehow aware of the fact the Strawhats will be able to save them? Except for Vegapunk, who he just gave up as dead, and in fact murdered.
Or Kizaru is not, in fact, planning anything, is basically acting on the seat of his pants the entire time and can’t make up his mind about what he actually wants to do, but still gets grossly offended when called out on it.
Really sours his arc on Egghead for me.
Gotta say though, I think the revelation that Kizaru fed Luffy has just made the character a shambles. Somewhat redemption powerwise, but all over the fucking place as a character. “Unclear Justice” is not an excuse for absolutely incoherent actions.
So he feds Luffy in secret. Presumably because he wants to save his friends and thinks Luffy is the only way to do it, and not just because he worships Nika, but I’ll put that one on hold for now.
But he’s also blatantly attempting to murder his friends throughout the arc with zero guarantees that Luffy and the Strawhats will actually be able to save them? Like, the Sanji blocks light scene, wtf was Kizaru expecting to happen there? What happens if Sanji does not have a totally unexplained, science defying ability that Kizaru has no way of knowing about? Is he just launching the laser and thinking “ah it’s cool, I’m sure one of the Strawhats will do something about this.”
Then the great moment at the end where he gives Akainu both barrels for doubting his commitment, well, turns out Akainu was totally right, wasn’t he? Kizaru absolutely botched it. More than that, he deliberately botched it. Wtf is he getting furious at Akainu for? Akainu’s 100% right. Brilliant moment for the character utterly ruined.
Am I just supposed to buy that Kizaru is both a fabulous actor and an absolute mastermind genius who has perfectly orchestrated multiple scenarios of him looking like he has put his friends in mortal danger but is somehow aware of the fact the Strawhats will be able to save them? Except for Vegapunk, who he just gave up as dead, and in fact murdered.
Or Kizaru is not, in fact, planning anything, is basically acting on the seat of his pants the entire time and can’t make up his mind about what he actually wants to do, but still gets grossly offended when called out on it.
Really sours his arc on Egghead for me.
Considering how much he laughs and Buggy himself he would become God, its only Logiko I mean Logical, Luffy is the God of Clowns! It explains all the toon force and restoring his health with food instantly! Also manifesting stuff out of nowhere! Its just @CoC: Color of Clowns magic at work!
Although if it was CoC's doing, he would be making everyone into horny furries...
Although if it was CoC's doing, he would be making everyone into horny furries...
@Elder Lee Hung maybe Akainu really is going to do his own thing against the World Government. That's why he recruited two complete outsiders to become the new Admirals. He didn't want protocol simps to have the top jobs if he was gonna whack the establishment. 
@Kizaruber Eats
Your name is now immortal
@Dragon777
S.o to you buddy, #1 Kizaru fed Luffy enjoyer, never lost hope.
Your name is now immortal
@Dragon777
S.o to you buddy, #1 Kizaru fed Luffy enjoyer, never lost hope.
.Huge W for us, even if Oda kept us waiting.
@EmperorKinyagi needs to be freed 
he's missing the good shit!
he's missing the good shit!
@Elder Lee Hung maybe Akainu really is going to do his own thing against the World Government. That's why he recruited two complete outsiders to become the new Admirals. He didn't want protocol simps to have the top jobs if he was gonna whack the establishment.
I just reread the part about who fed Luffy
So even Oda himself doesn't outright says who did it
He just says it's done in the speed of light and says "even I myself don't know who did it"
Why did we all accept it is only Kizaru who could have done it ?
What if it was Sanji? Or even a Vegapunk?
So even Oda himself doesn't outright says who did it
He just says it's done in the speed of light and says "even I myself don't know who did it"
Why did we all accept it is only Kizaru who could have done it ?
What if it was Sanji? Or even a Vegapunk?
You're overcomplicating it.
Kizaru was doing everything in his power to reduce the damage, feeding Luffy heightened the chances of escape for as many of his friends as possible. If Luffy is out of the picture, Kizaru has no excuse not to destroy everyone including Bonney. He stalled long enough, Saturn was giving him direct orders to take them out when he was just chilling.
The only thing you can say is he should have stayed down longer from WSG, but I think he was actually still trying to protect Saturn to an extent, and the Strawhats started attacking him (plus he might have predicted it was about time for Luffy to be getting up).
Akainu was right, however so was Kizaru. He still stabbed his buddy right through the back which takes a lot to do, imagine Garp killing Ace in MF, let's see if someone has the balls to question him in that state, he would lose it.
Kizaru was doing everything in his power to reduce the damage, feeding Luffy heightened the chances of escape for as many of his friends as possible. If Luffy is out of the picture, Kizaru has no excuse not to destroy everyone including Bonney. He stalled long enough, Saturn was giving him direct orders to take them out when he was just chilling.
The only thing you can say is he should have stayed down longer from WSG, but I think he was actually still trying to protect Saturn to an extent, and the Strawhats started attacking him (plus he might have predicted it was about time for Luffy to be getting up).
Akainu was right, however so was Kizaru. He still stabbed his buddy right through the back which takes a lot to do, imagine Garp killing Ace in MF, let's see if someone has the balls to question him in that state, he would lose it.