Future Events Wano Match-Ups

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
Im not against the idea that zoro will fight him. Im against your idea that only zoro can fight him.


Depending on how strong both characters respective haki is.

And him having yet to show that =/= he cant do that.

Not sure you want to go this ndule-type reasoning route.


We barely have any info on kings stats, which is why your random assertion is just that, a random assertion.


Baseless.

And if i bring up cracker you will probably do some mental gymnastics to assert how he isnt a "master swordsman" whereas king conveniently is.
Luffy didnt 1 v 1 cracker. Without nami he loses
 
that was regarding sanji
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he didnt need nami because cracker was a swordsman though, so that argument falls flat anyway
I still think they are too weak for sanji as well. Plus fire can easily break perospero's candy as shown already. Bad match up for him.
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Luffy didnt 1 v 1 cracker. Without nami he loses
Without nami he still wins.
 
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ardym

Second strongest after Kaido is BM

Zoro said he wanted a fire sword
Zoro is no where near beating a YC1
Zoro and Sanji will have to evolve while fighting to be able to defeat King and Queen just like Luffy vs Katakuri , but unlike Luffy they got power ups before as well Zoro got a sword that will help him control his CoA haki better and Sanji got the RS that makes him faster and invisible so it will help his CoO haki.
so i think Zoro will need advanced armament haki to defeat King.
While Sanji doesn't have powerful attacks so he will need FS to land attacks that hurt Queen,
the power ups they got , and many other things make you have no doubt about who are they gonna fight.
 
Zoro and Sanji will have to evolve while fighting to be able to defeat King and Queen just like Luffy vs Katakuri , but unlike Luffy they got power ups before as well Zoro got a sword that will help him control his CoA haki better and Sanji got the RS that makes him faster and invisible so it will help his CoO haki.
so i think Zoro will need advanced armament haki to defeat King.
While Sanji doesn't have powerful attacks so he will need FS to land attacks that hurt Queen,
the power ups they got , and many other things make you have no doubt about who are they gonna fight.
And i don't think Sanji would use his suit at fire fest maybe at the end if they want to escape
 

nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
Im not against the idea that zoro will fight him. Im against your idea that only zoro can fight him.
I am still of that idea. Kidd can fight anyone, winning is entirely different thing tho.
Depending on how strong both characters respective haki is.
And him having yet to show that =/= he cant do that.
Not sure you want to go this ndule-type reasoning route.
The swordsmen tend to have a pretty good Haki otherwise their swords can break or are pointless.
Marco's body isnt a logia that puts itself together after being split, it is pretty logical to assume him not being able to regenerate body parts being cut off.
We barely have any info on kings stats, which is why your random assertion is just that, a random assertion.
We do have his ranking, we do know his DF which tells us his physical stats as well as his recovery and endurance, we do know his element due to nickname, we do know his lethality due to a sword.
As I said, name a stat you think Doffy has superior and I will tell you why it isnt.
Baseless.
And if i bring up cracker you will probably do some mental gymnastics to assert how he isnt a "master swordsman" whereas king conveniently is.
Of course Cracker isnt a master swordsman, he classified himself as biscuit-man and attacked with his sword exactly only 3 times out of countless attacks. It isnt baseless, his past fights and his future opponents are none swordsmen.
 
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ardym

because they won't defeat them
they will win for sure , Oda let them wait 15 days and make them fight when they have full moon this night is their last chance , they will surprise their enemies who are even drunk. there is no way they will not win. Oda doesn't have the time anyway to drag it longer he wants to finish one piece as soon as possible
 
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I am still of that idea. Kidd can fight anyone, winning is entirely different thing tho.
Let me rephrase then, i am against the idea that only zoro can win against king.

The swordsmen tend to have a pretty good Haki otherwise their swords can break or are pointless.
Marco's body isnt a logia that puts itself together after being split, it is pretty logical to assume him not being able to regenerate body parts being cut off.
Swordsmen tending to have pretty good haki means king has better haki than marco? Yeah no, that would be a non-sequitur.

We do have his ranking, we do know his DF which tells us his physical stats as well as his recovery and endurance, we do know his element due to nickname, we do know his lethality due to a sword.
As I said, name a stat you think Doffy has superior and I will tell you why it isnt.
This is not how this works. You made a positive claim, the burden of proof is on you. I never made the claim that doffy is above king, i just pointed out how your claim is conjecture.

His ranking is not putting him above DD.

His DF being a zoan does not put king above DD in the respective stats you mentioned. That would be another non-sequitur.

His element doesnt put him above DD either, fire didnt faze him at all when sanji attacked him (for which DD didnt even use hardening to block it)

And DD can swiftly cut off a leg of oars jr. Generally he has cutting attacks. This is not putting king conclusively above DD either.

Of course Cracker isnt a master swordsman, he classified himself as biscuit-man and attacked with his sword exactly only 3 times out of countless attacks. It isnt baseless, his past fights and his future opponents are none swordsmen.
"he classified himself as biscuit-man"

Alright, why didnt you tell me earlier that you are trolling?
 
they will for sure , Oda let them wait 15 days and make them fight when they have full moon this night is their last chance , they will surprise their enemies who are even drunk. there is no way they will not win. Oda doesn't have the time anyway to drag it longer he wants to finish one piece as soon as possible
I don't understand why people think they will lose at onigashima. That would make wano 300 chapters long.
Not only that, if they lose they die, orochi executed yasu, if the alliance loses he'll ask for the scabbards deaths. And we know they are not going to die.
 
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ardym

I don't understand why people think they will lose at onigashima. That would make wano 300 chapters long.
Not only that, if they lose they die, orochi executed yasu, if the alliance loses he'll ask for the scabbards deaths. And we know they are not going to die.
well i have no idea either even as Oda made sure that Orochi find out he wanted to make them surprise their enemies since Orochi will think they will not be able to do anything .
 

nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
Let me rephrase then, i am against the idea that only zoro can win against king.

Swordsmen tending to have pretty good haki means king has better haki than marco? Yeah no, that would be a non-sequitur.

This is not how this works. You made a positive claim, the burden of proof is on you. I never made the claim that doffy is above king, i just pointed out how your claim is conjecture.
His ranking is not putting him above DD.
His DF being a zoan does not put king above DD in the respective stats you mentioned. That would be another non-sequitur.
His element doesnt put him above DD either, fire didnt faze him at all when sanji attacked him (for which DD didnt even use hardening to block it)
And DD can swiftly cut off a leg of oars jr. Generally he has cutting attacks. This is not putting king conclusively above DD either.

"he classified himself as biscuit-man"
Alright, why didnt you tell me earlier that you are trolling?
It is ok, you dont have to agree with my idea.

They are both 2nd strongest of their crews and as swordsman King surely has CoA stat polished the most, something Marco doesnt require since he can heal. You bet that King's CoA is above Marco's whether you agree with it or not.

As I said name a stat you think is inferior and I'll explain you why it isnt. I said all King's stats are superior and you surely agree with some so pick those you disagree with so I dont have to address each stat.

I am not trolling, Cracker said he is a biscuitman and we saw him fight with biscuits primarily while never saying he is a master swordsman and only trying to attack 3 times with his sword in the fight.
 
They are both 2nd strongest of their crews and as swordsman King surely has CoA stat polished the most, something Marco doesnt require since he can heal. You bet that King's CoA is above Marco's whether you agree with it or not.
But thats your assumption, not actual fact given to us by the manga.

As I said name a stat you think is inferior and I'll explain you why it isnt. I said all King's stats are superior and you surely agree with some so pick those you disagree with so I dont have to address each stat.
This is not how this works. You made a positive claim, the burden of proof is on you. I never made the claim that doffy is above king, i just pointed out how your claim is conjecture.
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I am not trolling, Cracker said he is a biscuitman and we saw him fight with biscuits primarily while never saying he is a master swordsman and only trying to attack 3 times with his sword in the fight.
You are absolutely trolling.

Unless you also dont think law or fuji are swordsmen because they are gravity-man and operation-man respectively.

This [insert-fruit-name]-man is a very normal thing in one piece. This doesnt disqualify anyone from being a swordsman.
 
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ardym




these are the reasons why
even so , extra draging will not do any good , Oda already made his scenario for how they are gonna be defeated and Luffy for sure has strong allies . the only problem are Kaido and BM , Kaido will be not be able to one ko Luffy anymore more , more than Luffy has now the ability to hurt him . and he is able to use his FS whenever he want as we saw in Udon which means he mastered that ability.
by the way they cannot gas weapons there it is not like they have 30000 gas masks there :D
 
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nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
But thats your assumption, not actual fact given to us by the manga.



:zosleepy:


You are absolutely trolling.

Unless you also dont think law or fuji are swordsmen because they are gravity-man and operation-man respectively.

This [insert-fruit-name]-man is a very normal thing in one piece. This doesnt disqualify anyone from being a swordsman.
Any discussion about future events is assumption. What's your point in pointing that out when we all know it?

So you disagreed with King's stats being above Doffy and refuse to name them. Because you know that chances of me being right are better than me being wrong. :myman:

Except that we saw both Law and Fuji fighting and Cracker is incomparable. He may as well not hold a sword, nothing changes while good luck to Law and Fuji without their swords.
Fujitora has never been called a Stomp-man...
 
Any discussion about future events is assumption. What's your point in pointing that out when we all know it?
your trolling is pretty lazy.

you were not talking about future events, you made conclusive statements about PL.
So you disagreed with King's stats being above Doffy and refuse to name them. Because you know that chances of me being right are better than me being wrong. :myman:
whatever helps you sleep at night. hit me up when you have any evidence dor amy of your claims
Except that we saw both Law and Fuji fighting and Cracker is incomparable. He may as well not hold a sword, nothing changes while good luck to Law and Fuji without their swords.
Fujitora has never been called a Stomp-man...
you are not even trying anymore. you are not better than the usual mihawk downplay by trying to argue obvious swordsmen are not swordsmen because it fits your garbage argument
 
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