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Caesar humiliated Katakuri.
He humiliated Luffy.
He humiliated Law.
He humiliated Smoker.
And so on...
Caesar came in for the ambush and his hax allowed to "humiliate" Katakuri which is as much relevant as Izo disarming King, hence zero irrelevance.
You have no argument.
In One Piece where he is the strongest sweet commander while Perospero was paired with Jack.
However, if you want to talk about Fanfiction Piece, I'm not sure about that...
He can have difficult battles whilst winning, you know that, right?
Many things were fake about Katakuri but his undefeated record wasn't. Otherwise, Oven wouldn't freak out that much about Katakuri being defeated. Look at his flashback and you can see that he was already a monster as a kid:
Katakuri later on made the image as the invincible one since he wanted to protect his siblings but he obviously had to get stronger to protect them as well.
Also, this is wrong. Katakuri said it's been a while since somebody managed to hit Katakuri, implying that there were powerful foes opposing his powers. The New World is full of skilled pirates.
Furthermore, Katakuri being Nr.2 is being set in canon:
And in the manga, Daifuku also confirmed that Katakuri is the strongest in the crew. Perospero is nowhere comparable; in fact, his candy wall was easily burned by Luffy whilst Katakuri easily clashed with Red Hawk at the following NEXT PANELS, although mochi is FLAMMABLE! Oda already set a huge difference between those two.
So in conclusion, you've been debunked. This thread is just one of many where people come up with pathetic mental gymnastics to downplay Katakuri, who was Luffy's extreme diff opponent before Kaido btw, as hard as possible. It sure was a nice try, just like your attempt to downplay Doflamingo in the other thread. But at least use the canon as references for your argument... Ndule is gone so there is no excuse for these ridiculous threads.
Too bad many of us didn't even agree with Ndule as Katakuri being an "inbetweener", low top tier, whatsoever. There might be a loud minority but the majority place him rightfully as a powerful right hand man, just like Marco and King.
He humiliated Luffy.
He humiliated Law.
He humiliated Smoker.
And so on...
Caesar came in for the ambush and his hax allowed to "humiliate" Katakuri which is as much relevant as Izo disarming King, hence zero irrelevance.
You have no argument.
In One Piece where he is the strongest sweet commander while Perospero was paired with Jack.
However, if you want to talk about Fanfiction Piece, I'm not sure about that...
He can have difficult battles whilst winning, you know that, right?
Many things were fake about Katakuri but his undefeated record wasn't. Otherwise, Oven wouldn't freak out that much about Katakuri being defeated. Look at his flashback and you can see that he was already a monster as a kid:
Katakuri later on made the image as the invincible one since he wanted to protect his siblings but he obviously had to get stronger to protect them as well.
Also, this is wrong. Katakuri said it's been a while since somebody managed to hit Katakuri, implying that there were powerful foes opposing his powers. The New World is full of skilled pirates.
Furthermore, Katakuri being Nr.2 is being set in canon:
And in the manga, Daifuku also confirmed that Katakuri is the strongest in the crew. Perospero is nowhere comparable; in fact, his candy wall was easily burned by Luffy whilst Katakuri easily clashed with Red Hawk at the following NEXT PANELS, although mochi is FLAMMABLE! Oda already set a huge difference between those two.
So in conclusion, you've been debunked. This thread is just one of many where people come up with pathetic mental gymnastics to downplay Katakuri, who was Luffy's extreme diff opponent before Kaido btw, as hard as possible. It sure was a nice try, just like your attempt to downplay Doflamingo in the other thread. But at least use the canon as references for your argument... Ndule is gone so there is no excuse for these ridiculous threads.
Too bad many of us didn't even agree with Ndule as Katakuri being an "inbetweener", low top tier, whatsoever. There might be a loud minority but the majority place him rightfully as a powerful right hand man, just like Marco and King.
And what did you expect him to do by foreseeing a cloud of undefined gas coming out of nowhere and filling the whole area around him while he was performing an attack?
Katakuri's future sight doesn't work by giving him detailed insight on Caesar coming out of nowhere (and out of his sight) with the intent of releasing hallucinogen gas. And even if it did (and assuming he was using it, which he isn't always doing), he was focused on an actual fight against four foes when Caesar sneaked in out of nowhere and filled the area with unknown gas.
Odds are, if Katakuri was using future sight in that moment (which I doubt), he just saw everything surrounded by a mist of unknown effects; but again I doubt he did since at that moment he seemed to have everything under control as he was seemingly raining the Vinsmokes with punches. It's not much different from when he got overwhelmed by the Luffy "clones": one thing is foreseeing stuff and another is having the way to answer it.
So I'll just repeat myself:
Oda shows Caesar has tricky abilities that ignore power levels once.
...
Oda shows Caesar has tricky abilities that ignore power levels again.
The average dumbass: lOl kATakURITardS NeGGEd!!!
Maybe Oda needs to show a third time that Caesar's techniques can ignore power levels for some readers to finally get it.
This is a special breed because always try to post seriously yet makes basic mistakes revealing how lost he is at reading a comic for teens.
Imagine writing "Perospero had a better portrayal than him after WCI" when we had a whole scene in Wano discussing the Big Mom Pirates' hierarchy where Katakuri was explicitly stated to be stronger than Perospero; and yet trying to play smart.
Katakuri's future sight doesn't work by giving him detailed insight on Caesar coming out of nowhere (and out of his sight) with the intent of releasing hallucinogen gas. And even if it did (and assuming he was using it, which he isn't always doing), he was focused on an actual fight against four foes when Caesar sneaked in out of nowhere and filled the area with unknown gas.
Odds are, if Katakuri was using future sight in that moment (which I doubt), he just saw everything surrounded by a mist of unknown effects; but again I doubt he did since at that moment he seemed to have everything under control as he was seemingly raining the Vinsmokes with punches. It's not much different from when he got overwhelmed by the Luffy "clones": one thing is foreseeing stuff and another is having the way to answer it.
So I'll just repeat myself:
Oda shows Caesar has tricky abilities that ignore power levels once.
...
Oda shows Caesar has tricky abilities that ignore power levels again.
The average dumbass: lOl kATakURITardS NeGGEd!!!
Maybe Oda needs to show a third time that Caesar's techniques can ignore power levels for some readers to finally get it.
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This is a special breed because always try to post seriously yet makes basic mistakes revealing how lost he is at reading a comic for teens.
Imagine writing "Perospero had a better portrayal than him after WCI" when we had a whole scene in Wano discussing the Big Mom Pirates' hierarchy where Katakuri was explicitly stated to be stronger than Perospero; and yet trying to play smart.
Caesar humiliated Katakuri.
He humiliated Luffy.
He humiliated Law.
He humiliated Smoker.
And so on...
Caesar came in for the ambush and his hax allowed to "humiliate" Katakuri which is as much relevant as Izo disarming King, hence zero irrelevance.
You have no argument.
In One Piece where he is the strongest sweet commander while Perospero was paired with Jack.
However, if you want to talk about Fanfiction Piece, I'm not sure about that...
He can have difficult battles whilst winning, you know that, right?
Many things were fake about Katakuri but his undefeated record wasn't. Otherwise, Oven wouldn't freak out that much about Katakuri being defeated. Look at his flashback and you can see that he was already a monster as a kid:
Katakuri later on made the image as the invincible one since he wanted to protect his siblings but he obviously had to get stronger to protect them as well.
Also, this is wrong. Katakuri said it's been a while since somebody managed to hit Katakuri, implying that there were powerful foes opposing his powers. The New World is full of skilled pirates.
Furthermore, Katakuri being Nr.2 is being set in canon:
And in the manga, Daifuku also confirmed that Katakuri is the strongest in the crew. Perospero is nowhere comparable; in fact, his candy wall was easily burned by Luffy whilst Katakuri easily clashed with Red Hawk at the following NEXT PANELS, although mochi is FLAMMABLE! Oda already set a huge difference between those two.
So in conclusion, you've been debunked. This thread is just one of many where people come up with pathetic mental gymnastics to downplay Katakuri, who was Luffy's extreme diff opponent before Kaido btw, as hard as possible. It sure was a nice try, just like your attempt to downplay Doflamingo in the other thread. But at least use the canon as references for your argument... Ndule is gone so there is no excuse for these ridiculous threads.
Too bad many of us didn't even agree with Ndule as Katakuri being an "inbetweener", low top tier, whatsoever. There might be a loud minority but the majority place him rightfully as a powerful right hand man, just like Marco and King.
He humiliated Luffy.
He humiliated Law.
He humiliated Smoker.
And so on...
Caesar came in for the ambush and his hax allowed to "humiliate" Katakuri which is as much relevant as Izo disarming King, hence zero irrelevance.
You have no argument.
In One Piece where he is the strongest sweet commander while Perospero was paired with Jack.
However, if you want to talk about Fanfiction Piece, I'm not sure about that...
He can have difficult battles whilst winning, you know that, right?
Many things were fake about Katakuri but his undefeated record wasn't. Otherwise, Oven wouldn't freak out that much about Katakuri being defeated. Look at his flashback and you can see that he was already a monster as a kid:
Katakuri later on made the image as the invincible one since he wanted to protect his siblings but he obviously had to get stronger to protect them as well.
Also, this is wrong. Katakuri said it's been a while since somebody managed to hit Katakuri, implying that there were powerful foes opposing his powers. The New World is full of skilled pirates.
Furthermore, Katakuri being Nr.2 is being set in canon:
And in the manga, Daifuku also confirmed that Katakuri is the strongest in the crew. Perospero is nowhere comparable; in fact, his candy wall was easily burned by Luffy whilst Katakuri easily clashed with Red Hawk at the following NEXT PANELS, although mochi is FLAMMABLE! Oda already set a huge difference between those two.
So in conclusion, you've been debunked. This thread is just one of many where people come up with pathetic mental gymnastics to downplay Katakuri, who was Luffy's extreme diff opponent before Kaido btw, as hard as possible. It sure was a nice try, just like your attempt to downplay Doflamingo in the other thread. But at least use the canon as references for your argument... Ndule is gone so there is no excuse for these ridiculous threads.
Too bad many of us didn't even agree with Ndule as Katakuri being an "inbetweener", low top tier, whatsoever. There might be a loud minority but the majority place him rightfully as a powerful right hand man, just like Marco and King.
No, learn how to read beyond kindergarten: it's also about Katakuri using future sight but being unable to answer the foreseen situation as it's overwhelming; which happened before (Tea Party) and is easy to expect when what he foresees is an undefined cloud of gas surrounding them out of nowhere while he's performing an attack. And again, Katakuri does not use future sight the whole time as it runs out, so why should I even discard this possibility, exactly, especially since he's fighting people who seemingly aren't haki users? Because you feel like it in order to support your dumbass take against "Katakuritards" since you saw Caesar doing something he was previously established in canon to be capable of doing, as it's tricking the adversary with gas that ignores levels?
And you don't get to tell me whether to delet a comment or not, mr. "Perospero was portrayed above Katakuri after Whole Cake in spite of having an entire scene where everybody including Perospero himself acknowledged he's weaker than his younger brother".
And you don't get to tell me whether to delet a comment or not, mr. "Perospero was portrayed above Katakuri after Whole Cake in spite of having an entire scene where everybody including Perospero himself acknowledged he's weaker than his younger brother".
Holly fuck, will you please learn how to read for once?
Even when Katakuri is actually seeing the future there's no guarantee he can ANSWER to it, and that's another point I was making in the short, simple post you completely misread. During the Tea Party he foresaw a bunch of Luffy clones jumping out of the cake yet he admitted he had no way to control it as it was overwhelmingly unpredictable. It's completely reasonable to think that foreseeing a cloud of mysterious gas filling the whole area out of nowhere (because Caesar wasn't in his visual field) would be one of those situations which Katakuri had no answer to.
And again, Katakuri already fought the Vinsmokes and they showed no haki. No actual reason to worry about it nor to use future sight when he's beating them and has them under control; this is, once again, something we have a canon antecedent for as he approached Bege with no intent to dodge his bullets with future sight as he knew they didn't have haki behind them. You're discarding this possibility just because you feel like it and it's dishonest as hell.
Even when Katakuri is actually seeing the future there's no guarantee he can ANSWER to it, and that's another point I was making in the short, simple post you completely misread. During the Tea Party he foresaw a bunch of Luffy clones jumping out of the cake yet he admitted he had no way to control it as it was overwhelmingly unpredictable. It's completely reasonable to think that foreseeing a cloud of mysterious gas filling the whole area out of nowhere (because Caesar wasn't in his visual field) would be one of those situations which Katakuri had no answer to.
And again, Katakuri already fought the Vinsmokes and they showed no haki. No actual reason to worry about it nor to use future sight when he's beating them and has them under control; this is, once again, something we have a canon antecedent for as he approached Bege with no intent to dodge his bullets with future sight as he knew they didn't have haki behind them. You're discarding this possibility just because you feel like it and it's dishonest as hell.
I didn't change any argument, again showing everybody that you can't read; first line in my first detailed answer to you:
Never, ever stuck to Katakuri not using future sight. Wasn't even my first approach to this issue as I just proved to you.
I'll put it simple:
1) If we've had a situation where Caesar uses a gas trick that ignores power levels, we can have another one again.
2) If we've had a situation where Katakuri is overwhelmed and can't answer to his premonition because there's no clear focus for him to take action, we can have another one again.
3) If we've had a situation where Katakuri wasn't using future sight in spite of being in the middle of an ambush and directly attacked by an enemy, we can have another one again (actually, in the Vinsmoke case he's the one attacking, not the one attacked).
Period. I have examples of three canon antecedents that perfectly support why Katakuri wouldn't avoid the gas; on the contrary, you have to make up power levels and scenarios (like he'd be seeing himself in an hallucinatory state fighting his brother instead of whatever hallucination the gas caused; I mean, for all we know he could be seeing himself still beating the Vinsmokes, it's not like future sight gives him an omniscient, outer-perspective of himself, more like the contrary considering Pudding's wedding) to justify your tantrum.
Never, ever stuck to Katakuri not using future sight. Wasn't even my first approach to this issue as I just proved to you.
I'll put it simple:
1) If we've had a situation where Caesar uses a gas trick that ignores power levels, we can have another one again.
2) If we've had a situation where Katakuri is overwhelmed and can't answer to his premonition because there's no clear focus for him to take action, we can have another one again.
3) If we've had a situation where Katakuri wasn't using future sight in spite of being in the middle of an ambush and directly attacked by an enemy, we can have another one again (actually, in the Vinsmoke case he's the one attacking, not the one attacked).
Period. I have examples of three canon antecedents that perfectly support why Katakuri wouldn't avoid the gas; on the contrary, you have to make up power levels and scenarios (like he'd be seeing himself in an hallucinatory state fighting his brother instead of whatever hallucination the gas caused; I mean, for all we know he could be seeing himself still beating the Vinsmokes, it's not like future sight gives him an omniscient, outer-perspective of himself, more like the contrary considering Pudding's wedding) to justify your tantrum.
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Cut out the third option since you youself said that Katakuri is the one attacking and not being attacked.
The second option there is no scenario for Katakuri not having a clear focus, he is pretty aware of the situation against Vinsmokes.
The first option, where the hell that gas ignores power level comes from? WTH
The second option there is no scenario for Katakuri not having a clear focus, he is pretty aware of the situation against Vinsmokes.
The first option, where the hell that gas ignores power level comes from? WTH