General & Others Was Shakky always suppose to be this important?

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#21
if you wanna play devils advocate, Shakky is introduced as a attractive strong former pirate, and ironically the arc after we are introduced to Shakky in Sabaody is literally Amazon Lily.........
Also, in Sabaody arc I saw that Shakky had a good knowledge about amazons. Plus Rayleigh was in good relationship with Amazon Lily.
 
#22
Voted yes because I realized I was completely wrong about the Kuja pirates' role in the story. I severely underestimated Oda's desire to force them to be relevant. I thought the Kuja were mostly irrelevant, but I don't think this new info was something done "last minute." He probably always wanted to do something like this with the Kuja, it being Shakky is just a simple fit for the puzzle.


In fairness, we don't have definitive proof that Tritoma is dead. Could be the empresses that "died" like Shakky and Tritoma is just a cover for "they ran off away from Amazon Lily and ain't ever coming back" whereas Gloriosa did come back. Remember, the Kuja gals are all kind of massively ignorant of the world, easy to trick.
Gloriosa literally said she's dead
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Nah, Oda is making things up as he goes along at this point, she was intended to be a relevant pirate but that's it.

He already introduced a retcon with Shakky, the empress before Tritoma (Shakky) was said to have died in the manga, and when someone asked about it in an SBS he just handwaved it with his usual bullshit.
No that was mistranslation the original never said shakky died just that she was struck by the illness like as well
 
#25
Slightly relevant but not this lvl of relevancy we have currently witness.
It also affects the image of many legendary pirates of that era. Almost everyone of them are head over heels for her and act like fodder that can't get a grip infront of her.......for no reason to act like that,
Boa likely could be more beautiful than her and also popular too but she's getting nowhere near Shakky lvl of impact in the highest lvl of piracy.

It's 90% confirm one of the main reason Rocks pirates gather at God valley was to get Shakky, and likely Roger pirates went there for the same reason too.
It's a peak lvl of wank I've ever seen that cause a gigantic war because of a HOT lady. It's like a romance series love story show, something I'm not expecting in one piece.
 

Mr. Reloaded

Cause a pirate is free
#26
But how are you telling this? Where is the proof?

This is just what a lil' slice of the community thinks.
People's attitude towards Shakky at Sabaody and here in the flashback don't even match up. In the pre-timeskip you were never given the impression Shakky was a big deal in her prime, you were told she was a pirate and that's that. In the flashback she's treated like a literal goddess who was probably catalyst for Goon Valley. God Valley itself doesn't even feel like something that was originally planned tbh
In the pre-timeskip she's just kinda there as Rayleigh's side chick but you don't have people gooning TF out.

This makes sense in the case of Gloriossa and Buckingham as they shriveled up and got ugly over time, but Shakky is still good looking as an old lady lmao. Where's the logic there? :willight:
 

Rej

Holy Simp
#28
People's attitude towards Shakky at Sabaody and here in the flashback don't even match up. In the pre-timeskip you were never given the impression Shakky was a big deal in her prime, you were told she was a pirate and that's that. In the flashback she's treated like a literal goddess who was probably catalyst for Goon Valley. God Valley itself doesn't even feel like something that was originally planned tbh
In the pre-timeskip she's just kinda there as Rayleigh's side chick but you don't have people gooning TF out.

This makes sense in the case of Gloriossa and Buckingham as they shriveled up and got ugly over time, but Shakky is still good looking as an old lady lmao. Where's the logic there? :willight:
could be, still trust tho
 

K!NG HARA$H!MA

Hustlerversity Graduate
#29
People's attitude towards Shakky at Sabaody and here in the flashback don't even match up. In the pre-timeskip you were never given the impression Shakky was a big deal in her prime, you were told she was a pirate and that's that. In the flashback she's treated like a literal goddess who was probably catalyst for Goon Valley. God Valley itself doesn't even feel like something that was originally planned tbh
In the pre-timeskip she's just kinda there as Rayleigh's side chick but you don't have people gooning TF out.

This makes sense in the case of Gloriossa and Buckingham as they shriveled up and got ugly over time, but Shakky is still good looking as an old lady lmao. Where's the logic there? :willight:
The entire concept of Rocks as pirate crew and rocks himself is a sudden addition that Oda made up in late WCI arc. Hence so many inconsistencies especially regarding WhiteBeard.
 
#30
Slightly relevant but not this lvl of relevancy we have currently witness.
It also affects the image of many legendary pirates of that era. Almost everyone of them are head over heels for her and act like fodder that can't get a grip infront of her.......for no reason to act like that,
Boa likely could be more beautiful than her and also popular too but she's getting nowhere near Shakky lvl of impact in the highest lvl of piracy.

It's 90% confirm one of the main reason Rocks pirates gather at God valley was to get Shakky, and likely Roger pirates went there for the same reason too.
It's a peak lvl of wank I've ever seen that cause a gigantic war because of a HOT lady. It's like a romance series love story show, something I'm not expecting in one piece.
She's more beautiful than shakky
 

Yoho

I'm Quite Dandy
#31
She was introduced as the Wife of the pirate kings right hand, it was stated long before we knew her affiliation with Kuja and Hachinosu that she was being chased by Garp 40 years ago which coincides with God Valley time frame, so yes I'd say she was always meant to be important.

Was she meant to be as important as she is? That's a different question but she was always meant to have some sort of importance to the story
 
#34
Gloriosa literally said she's dead
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No that was mistranslation the original never said shakky died just that she was struck by the illness like as well
My point is that Gloriosa is an unreliable narrator. Her saying Tritoma "died" is without any other evidence besides her word, and the Kuja girls are all pretty naive to anything outside their borders.

Also the translation leaves some room for interpretation because 同じだった is following her direct words of Tritoma getting the illness and dying, while the そう is indicating it "seemed like" Shakky went similarly. Hence why it reads like Gloriosa is actually not certain of what happened, just that both empresses got caught by cupid's bow at some point.


All I'm saying it, I wouldn't be shocked if Tritoma makes a reappearance in the story. Very unlikely, but not 0%.
 

ZenZu

The only one who can beat me is me
#35
She isn't even important, only thing that makes her so is she was supposed to be this sex bomb or whatever that's her only importance.

And that may have highly likely caused goon valley according to narrator
She's been more important to the story than any non M3 Strawhat, any non Luffy Law Kidd Zoro SN, take that in. She is hella important considering she was barely a name you would bother remembering before the flashback.

@OP Maybe in 3piece Shakky was planned to be this important. There is no shot in hell this was planned since her Sabaody intro.
 
#36
My point is that Gloriosa is an unreliable narrator. Her saying Tritoma "died" is without any other evidence besides her word, and the Kuja girls are all pretty naive to anything outside their borders.

Also the translation leaves some room for interpretation because 同じだった is following her direct words of Tritoma getting the illness and dying, while the そう is indicating it "seemed like" Shakky went similarly. Hence why it reads like Gloriosa is actually not certain of what happened, just that both empresses got caught by cupid's bow at some point.


All I'm saying it, I wouldn't be shocked if Tritoma makes a reappearance in the story. Very unlikely, but not 0%.
How does she not have any evidence that tritoma is dead! She would never tell boa that tritoma died if the sickness didn't kill her she's not an unreliable narrator
 
#37
How does she not have any evidence that tritoma is dead! She would never tell boa that tritoma died if the sickness didn't kill her she's not an unreliable narrator
She's unreliable in that she seemingly has no personal witness to it nor anything conclusive to provide proof that she died, simply her word. And her word has already been contradicted by Shakky being out and about unfettered. She only referenced herself having survived it, she simply may not be privy to what happened to the others beyond the fact they never came back. Not that she's nefariously hiding it or anything, just that she doesn't know what she doesn't know.

Idk, perhaps I'm reaching and you're right there's no reason to assume Tritoma isn't ded ded, I just constantly second guess Oda's never-ending desire to introduce bit characters into the main foray some x-hundred amount of chapters later just because he loves showing them all off.
 
#39
People's attitude towards Shakky at Sabaody and here in the flashback don't even match up. In the pre-timeskip you were never given the impression Shakky was a big deal in her prime, you were told she was a pirate and that's that. In the flashback she's treated like a literal goddess who was probably catalyst for Goon Valley. God Valley itself doesn't even feel like something that was originally planned tbh
In the pre-timeskip she's just kinda there as Rayleigh's side chick but you don't have people gooning TF out.

This makes sense in the case of Gloriossa and Buckingham as they shriveled up and got ugly over time, but Shakky is still good looking as an old lady lmao. Where's the logic there? :willight:
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we also not seen 1 guy simping for beside my king Damaji and Brook despite looking exactly the same

Everyone voting yes need to lay off the glue ngl
 
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