General & Others We still dont know the origin of Rayleigh epithet
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His epithet in Japanese is Meio, which also means Hades. Probably refers to his lethality or implies that fighting him is one way to be sent to hell.
Translation: [Dark King] Those who chose to face him only win a one way ticket to the underworld. He may be old but that's how tremendously powerful he is.
I guess "Dark King" was a translation issue- it probably should be King of The Underworld or something similar, maybe?
Personally, my initial assumption before I had learned of this was that he got the name because he had the power to be a Yonko or challenge Roger, but willingly didn't.
Hence "Dark King" as in one who had a "king's" quality and power, but willingly chose to be in "the dark" of another's shadow.
Translation: [Dark King] Those who chose to face him only win a one way ticket to the underworld. He may be old but that's how tremendously powerful he is.
I guess "Dark King" was a translation issue- it probably should be King of The Underworld or something similar, maybe?
Personally, my initial assumption before I had learned of this was that he got the name because he had the power to be a Yonko or challenge Roger, but willingly didn't.
Hence "Dark King" as in one who had a "king's" quality and power, but willingly chose to be in "the dark" of another's shadow.
Either keep it as vague as possible ("his attacks were so strong not even mountains could withstand them") or link the story to a much more meaningful moment.
Shiki, Garp and many Rocks Pirates had their beef with Roger. Any of them would have worked better than fodder to keep the story as similar to the original one as possible. A good old useless clash
Gaban excavating a tunnel through a mountain range over a long period of time just to reach something, save someone or avoid somebody would have been great too. This would have been my choice
Shiki, Garp and many Rocks Pirates had their beef with Roger. Any of them would have worked better than fodder to keep the story as similar to the original one as possible. A good old useless clash
Gaban excavating a tunnel through a mountain range over a long period of time just to reach something, save someone or avoid somebody would have been great too. This would have been my choice
Yeah I really loved that theory along with @mmd 's theory for Shanks. Between them and Marco The One Piece Theorist, they've had the most awesome, interesting theories on Shanks.
Oooooh yes I like this! Oda revealed all the Roger Pirates and their roles recently to think of it, there was an "Informant", a "Torturer" or something? Ah here I found it:
Hmmmm, "the cook"? Douglas Bullet? LMAO! Or maaaaaaybe Sunbell who is missing here?! If Sanjis equivalent in the Roger Pirates is the Fishman and thus not the the Wings of the Pirate King and aprt of Roger's "Monster Trio", that would be HILARIOUSLY ironic, especially given how much he's HATED Jinbei for the LONGEST time now including recently ofc! OH MAN!
I'm sure they had a previous doctor before Crocus, I wonder if it could have been Hiriluk or Kureha for example too?
WAIT WAS ZEFF THEIR FORMER COOK?!
Welcome to the final season!!!!
Season 1
You may have heard some of these reasons many times
I hope you don't hate me for this theory...I'm just trying to predict Shanks...I apologize if it upsets you
1_shanks initial design
Other friends say Shanks is like the Mafia.....I agree with them
strong world...I was able to find this design
Now I want to give an irrational reason....Similarity of Shanks and Yamato vivrecard
2_ace!
If Shanks has Roger's heir, why did Roger say that?
Didn't Roger trust Shanks?
3_shanks's flag
The similarity of the Shanks flag with baroque works
I do not know what the sword next to the skull means...I think elbaf pirate flag was like that
That's why I think Shanks is the head of a secret organization
Do you think Shanks does not respond to this disrespect?
Why did Oda choose the Shanks flag from among the Yonkos?
I think this is important information...Which shows the fight between Luffy and Shanks
4_Red Haired Pirate Crew
Shanks, Page #172
With new members joining in, this organization continues to expand further in size.
Shanks, like bb, hires a lot of people....What is the real purpose of Shanks?
Becoming a pirate king?
No, I think Shanks has another purpose
I still do not know why he explored all the seas.....I think he was looking for something special
5–Shanks is scary!!
Shanks, Page #173
Key Person: Shanks
The fearsome red hair pirate dubbed as one of the Four Emperors!!
One of the Four Emperors who reigning in the New World
The translation I was able to find
Even at the beginning of the story, Shanks kills easily....Shanks is scarier and wilder than we think.
6_red
The use of a red background is particularly ominous. Among pirates, privateers and naval captains, flying a red flag often meant that no quarter would be given.
Pirates of the Caribbean also used red (I read this in a post about pirates)
Red means violence.....We know Kidd, who is very savage and violent.
7_Shanks fighting style
Does Shanks use the power of Soru(rokushiki)?
We have seen Shanks move at high speed many times (Luffy rescue time And on this page)
He may have learned this ability from Ray or Gandhi
Shanks disappeared four or five years after Roger's death...We have no information about that period....Various things may have happened to Shanks
8_Roger's disease
I always thought Roger's illness was related to Shanks...Shanks wants revenge on roger for rocks
9_Peace
We know that Shanks seeks peace and tranquility...And we all know that Luffy is going to start a big war....Isn't this against Shanks's beliefs?
Roger was calm and only interested in sea voyages....He never wanted to change the world(At least until before his execution)
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Thank you all
Season 1
You may have heard some of these reasons many times
I hope you don't hate me for this theory...I'm just trying to predict Shanks...I apologize if it upsets you
1_shanks initial design
Other friends say Shanks is like the Mafia.....I agree with them
strong world...I was able to find this design
Didn't Roger trust Shanks?
3_shanks's flag
The similarity of the Shanks flag with baroque works
That's why I think Shanks is the head of a secret organization
Why did Oda choose the Shanks flag from among the Yonkos?
I think this is important information...Which shows the fight between Luffy and Shanks
4_Red Haired Pirate Crew
Shanks, Page #172
With new members joining in, this organization continues to expand further in size.
Shanks, like bb, hires a lot of people....What is the real purpose of Shanks?
Becoming a pirate king?
No, I think Shanks has another purpose
I still do not know why he explored all the seas.....I think he was looking for something special
5–Shanks is scary!!
Shanks, Page #173
Key Person: Shanks
The fearsome red hair pirate dubbed as one of the Four Emperors!!
One of the Four Emperors who reigning in the New World
The translation I was able to find
Even at the beginning of the story, Shanks kills easily....Shanks is scarier and wilder than we think.
6_red
The use of a red background is particularly ominous. Among pirates, privateers and naval captains, flying a red flag often meant that no quarter would be given.
Pirates of the Caribbean also used red (I read this in a post about pirates)
Red means violence.....We know Kidd, who is very savage and violent.
7_Shanks fighting style
We have seen Shanks move at high speed many times (Luffy rescue time And on this page)
He may have learned this ability from Ray or Gandhi
Shanks disappeared four or five years after Roger's death...We have no information about that period....Various things may have happened to Shanks
8_Roger's disease
I always thought Roger's illness was related to Shanks...Shanks wants revenge on roger for rocks
9_Peace
We know that Shanks seeks peace and tranquility...And we all know that Luffy is going to start a big war....Isn't this against Shanks's beliefs?
Roger was calm and only interested in sea voyages....He never wanted to change the world(At least until before his execution)
@PuckTheGreat @Finalbeta @BangMi @Sanji D Goat @minamoto @solis @GrandmasterChef Zonji @MonsterKaido @Ghostly Reflections
@SDfear @Peroroncino @mly90 @Akai2 @Worst @BleakAsh @Hanzo hattori @Tyki_Mikk @Tejas @JyThony @mugiwalaw @Lion of Olympus @stealthblack
@Ssg super suit coby @HAJIKING @zzShinichi @DarkWitch @Nekomamushi @Rayleigh-Sama
@Red Dog @Jaguark101 @qwe @RayanOO @rerere @Paperchampion23 @ArturCantSpeakJapanese
Sorry, I tagged you without your permission...This was the last part
Thank you all
Welcome to the final season!!!!
Season 1
You may have heard some of these reasons many times
I hope you don't hate me for this theory...I'm just trying to predict Shanks...I apologize if it upsets you
1_shanks initial design
Other friends say Shanks is like the Mafia.....I agree with them
strong world...I was able to find this design
Now I want to give an irrational reason....Similarity of Shanks and Yamato vivrecard
2_ace!
If Shanks has Roger's heir, why did Roger say that?
Didn't Roger trust Shanks?
3_shanks's flag
The similarity of the Shanks flag with baroque works
I do not know what the sword next to the skull means...I think elbaf pirate flag was like that
That's why I think Shanks is the head of a secret organization
Do you think Shanks does not respond to this disrespect?
Why did Oda choose the Shanks flag from among the Yonkos?
I think this is important information...Which shows the fight between Luffy and Shanks
4_Red Haired Pirate Crew
Shanks, Page #172
With new members joining in, this organization continues to expand further in size.
Shanks, like bb, hires a lot of people....What is the real purpose of Shanks?
Becoming a pirate king?
No, I think Shanks has another purpose
I still do not know why he explored all the seas.....I think he was looking for something special
5–Shanks is scary!!
Shanks, Page #173
Key Person: Shanks
The fearsome red hair pirate dubbed as one of the Four Emperors!!
One of the Four Emperors who reigning in the New World
The translation I was able to find
Even at the beginning of the story, Shanks kills easily....Shanks is scarier and wilder than we think.
6_red
The use of a red background is particularly ominous. Among pirates, privateers and naval captains, flying a red flag often meant that no quarter would be given.
Pirates of the Caribbean also used red (I read this in a post about pirates)
Red means violence.....We know Kidd, who is very savage and violent.
7_Shanks fighting style
Does Shanks use the power of Soru(rokushiki)?
We have seen Shanks move at high speed many times (Luffy rescue time And on this page)
He may have learned this ability from Ray or Gandhi
Shanks disappeared four or five years after Roger's death...We have no information about that period....Various things may have happened to Shanks
8_Roger's disease
I always thought Roger's illness was related to Shanks...Shanks wants revenge on roger for rocks
9_Peace
We know that Shanks seeks peace and tranquility...And we all know that Luffy is going to start a big war....Isn't this against Shanks's beliefs?
Roger was calm and only interested in sea voyages....He never wanted to change the world(At least until before his execution)
@PuckTheGreat @Finalbeta @BangMi @Sanji D Goat @minamoto @solis @GrandmasterChef Zonji @MonsterKaido @Ghostly Reflections
@SDfear @Peroroncino @mly90 @Akai2 @Worst @BleakAsh @Hanzo hattori @Tyki_Mikk @Tejas @JyThony @mugiwalaw @Lion of Olympus @stealthblack
@Ssg super suit coby @HAJIKING @zzShinichi @DarkWitch @Nekomamushi @Rayleigh-Sama
@Red Dog @Jaguark101 @qwe @RayanOO @rerere @Paperchampion23 @ArturCantSpeakJapanese
Sorry, I tagged you without your permission...This was the last part
Thank you all
Season 1
You may have heard some of these reasons many times
I hope you don't hate me for this theory...I'm just trying to predict Shanks...I apologize if it upsets you
1_shanks initial design
Other friends say Shanks is like the Mafia.....I agree with them
strong world...I was able to find this design
Didn't Roger trust Shanks?
3_shanks's flag
The similarity of the Shanks flag with baroque works
That's why I think Shanks is the head of a secret organization
Why did Oda choose the Shanks flag from among the Yonkos?
I think this is important information...Which shows the fight between Luffy and Shanks
4_Red Haired Pirate Crew
Shanks, Page #172
With new members joining in, this organization continues to expand further in size.
Shanks, like bb, hires a lot of people....What is the real purpose of Shanks?
Becoming a pirate king?
No, I think Shanks has another purpose
I still do not know why he explored all the seas.....I think he was looking for something special
5–Shanks is scary!!
Shanks, Page #173
Key Person: Shanks
The fearsome red hair pirate dubbed as one of the Four Emperors!!
One of the Four Emperors who reigning in the New World
The translation I was able to find
Even at the beginning of the story, Shanks kills easily....Shanks is scarier and wilder than we think.
6_red
The use of a red background is particularly ominous. Among pirates, privateers and naval captains, flying a red flag often meant that no quarter would be given.
Pirates of the Caribbean also used red (I read this in a post about pirates)
Red means violence.....We know Kidd, who is very savage and violent.
7_Shanks fighting style
We have seen Shanks move at high speed many times (Luffy rescue time And on this page)
He may have learned this ability from Ray or Gandhi
Shanks disappeared four or five years after Roger's death...We have no information about that period....Various things may have happened to Shanks
8_Roger's disease
I always thought Roger's illness was related to Shanks...Shanks wants revenge on roger for rocks
9_Peace
We know that Shanks seeks peace and tranquility...And we all know that Luffy is going to start a big war....Isn't this against Shanks's beliefs?
Roger was calm and only interested in sea voyages....He never wanted to change the world(At least until before his execution)
@PuckTheGreat @Finalbeta @BangMi @Sanji D Goat @minamoto @solis @GrandmasterChef Zonji @MonsterKaido @Ghostly Reflections
@SDfear @Peroroncino @mly90 @Akai2 @Worst @BleakAsh @Hanzo hattori @Tyki_Mikk @Tejas @JyThony @mugiwalaw @Lion of Olympus @stealthblack
@Ssg super suit coby @HAJIKING @zzShinichi @DarkWitch @Nekomamushi @Rayleigh-Sama
@Red Dog @Jaguark101 @qwe @RayanOO @rerere @Paperchampion23 @ArturCantSpeakJapanese
Sorry, I tagged you without your permission...This was the last part
Thank you all
Oooooh yes I like this! Oda revealed all the Roger Pirates and their roles recently to think of it, there was an "Informant", a "Torturer" or something? Ah here I found it:
- Scopper Gaban: Navigator
- Moon Isaac Jr.: Tactical Officer
- Crocus: Doctor
- Donquino: Helmsman
- Millet Pine: Interrogator
- Rowing: Scholar
- Erio: Informant
- Spencer: Intelligence Officer
- Petermoo: Gunner
- Jacksonbanner: Musician
- Blumarine: Shipwright
Hmmmm, "the cook"? Douglas Bullet? LMAO! Or maaaaaaybe Sunbell who is missing here?! If Sanjis equivalent in the Roger Pirates is the Fishman and thus not the the Wings of the Pirate King and aprt of Roger's "Monster Trio", that would be HILARIOUSLY ironic, especially given how much he's HATED Jinbei for the LONGEST time now including recently ofc! OH MAN!
I'm sure they had a previous doctor before Crocus, I wonder if it could have been Hiriluk or Kureha for example too?
WAIT WAS ZEFF THEIR FORMER COOK?!
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Yeah I really loved that theory along with @mmd 's theory for Shanks. Between them and Marco The One Piece Theorist, they've had the most awesome, interesting theories on Shanks.
Oooooh yes I like this! Oda revealed all the Roger Pirates and their roles recently to think of it, there was an "Informant", a "Torturer" or something? Ah here I found it:
Hmmmm, "the cook"? Douglas Bullet? LMAO! Or maaaaaaybe Sunbell who is missing here?! If Sanjis equivalent in the Roger Pirates is the Fishman and thus not the the Wings of the Pirate King and aprt of Roger's "Monster Trio", that would be HILARIOUSLY ironic, especially given how much he's HATED Jinbei for the LONGEST time now including recently ofc! OH MAN!
I'm sure they had a previous doctor before Crocus, I wonder if it could have been Hiriluk or Kureha for example too?
WAIT WAS ZEFF THEIR FORMER COOK?!
Oooooh yes I like this! Oda revealed all the Roger Pirates and their roles recently to think of it, there was an "Informant", a "Torturer" or something? Ah here I found it:
- Scopper Gaban: Navigator
- Moon Isaac Jr.: Tactical Officer
- Crocus: Doctor
- Donquino: Helmsman
- Millet Pine: Interrogator
- Rowing: Scholar
- Erio: Informant
- Spencer: Intelligence Officer
- Petermoo: Gunner
- Jacksonbanner: Musician
- Blumarine: Shipwright
Hmmmm, "the cook"? Douglas Bullet? LMAO! Or maaaaaaybe Sunbell who is missing here?! If Sanjis equivalent in the Roger Pirates is the Fishman and thus not the the Wings of the Pirate King and aprt of Roger's "Monster Trio", that would be HILARIOUSLY ironic, especially given how much he's HATED Jinbei for the LONGEST time now including recently ofc! OH MAN!
I'm sure they had a previous doctor before Crocus, I wonder if it could have been Hiriluk or Kureha for example too?
WAIT WAS ZEFF THEIR FORMER COOK?!
His epithet in Japanese is Meio, which also means Hades. Probably refers to his lethality or implies that fighting him is one way to be sent to hell.
Translation: [Dark King] Those who chose to face him only win a one way ticket to the underworld. He may be old but that's how tremendously powerful he is.
I guess "Dark King" was a translation issue- it probably should be King of The Underworld or something similar, maybe?
Personally, my initial assumption before I had learned of this was that he got the name because he had the power to be a Yonko or challenge Roger, but willingly didn't.
Hence "Dark King" as in one who had a "king's" quality and power, but willingly chose to be in "the dark" of another's shadow.
Translation: [Dark King] Those who chose to face him only win a one way ticket to the underworld. He may be old but that's how tremendously powerful he is.
I guess "Dark King" was a translation issue- it probably should be King of The Underworld or something similar, maybe?
Personally, my initial assumption before I had learned of this was that he got the name because he had the power to be a Yonko or challenge Roger, but willingly didn't.
Hence "Dark King" as in one who had a "king's" quality and power, but willingly chose to be in "the dark" of another's shadow.
This the King of Hell Zoro parallel which we know Oda likes to push for future PK vice captain
In a sense, yes, but it depends on Rayleigh's motivations. As for Zoro, for example, he wants to be the World's Greatest Swordsman, so the Pirate King title -- even if a greater title -- means nothing to him. So, joining Luffy and "staying in his shadow" ends up being beneficial to him.
The thing is that Rayleigh didn't have any apparent motivation. Roger just came along, saw that he had a ship and invited him. I guess it could be developed in a flashback, but it seems that Oda really doesn't care (that's what makes me believe that the title just sounded cool and has nothing related to Rayleigh).
The thing is that Rayleigh didn't have any apparent motivation. Roger just came along, saw that he had a ship and invited him. I guess it could be developed in a flashback, but it seems that Oda really doesn't care (that's what makes me believe that the title just sounded cool and has nothing related to Rayleigh).
