[FNZ] Super Role Madness Weebs: New Beginnings

[Michelle]

To remove myself from PoE because people just wouldn’t leave me alone. I had 2 clears as well. And an ability that is just never scum. My lynch D1 should have never ever happened.

I would never vote you if it weren't the indy claim.

 

[Yoho]

Alright it's my nap time, but I'll just say I hope to play with all of you again someday and whatever bad experience you may have had doesn't push you away from mafia for good, be it as a player or a host you're all great people and I'll gladly share a cup of hot chocolate with each and every one of you, I know at times people felt defeated, low morale and frustrated just always remember Mafia isn't life or death win or lose, balanced or unbalanced at the end of the day Mafia always as been and always will be just a game

With that I bid thee good night

 

[Fujishiro]

Because my kills weren't really kills?
Now that's completely unfair to tell

Wdym sis? They were kills just got unlucky with timing and targets.

You can say they arent kills but they are, they work. Just got unlucky. You shot Kiku who was shown to be unkillable and then Ultra who was eating kills and actions like candy, twice.

If you shot Yoho he dies, if you shot TAC he dies, if you shot Lemon he dies, if you shot Mango at night he dies, if you shot Apollo at the right time he dies, if you shot Random asshole he dies.

Oh well if you want to think your kills dont work feel free sis.

 

[Dr_Professor83]

Did he have town targets?

He needed to kill 1 town and make another vanilla but not kill. But he didn’t have to go for both. He could have also killed 1 of each mafia and 1 of the pro mafia indies and Jack (so could have killed all non town but realistically he would probably kill or vanilla one town)

 

[Michelle]

Also, lynching is like the one thing a host should not touch here. It's a core mechanic and the LAW of mafia games. No one should be immune to lynches. You take that away and it's like crippling townies, it's extremely demotivating knowing that even lynches are useless and that scum has an out for lynches. No one, and i mean NO ONE should have the means to dodge or be immune to lynches, it's our only most effective way of getting rid of scum.

Stuff like lynch tanking, lynch redirect, missing with lynch shinanegans should be EXTREMELY EXTREMELY rare if straight up not a thing, and if you do include it. You usually include it on a townie role or worst case scenario a serial killer or some busted indie. But not mafia. Mafia have the destructive abilities to wipe any townies from the face of this earth, towny can't do the same thing. Lynch is where townies power reside, if mafia wanna take over lynching a townie, then they need to put in the effort thread wise, lead and make a mislynch happen.

Just my couple cents here. Nothing personal.

This is better explained, thanks

 

[Adam 🍎]

Also, lynching is like the one thing a host should not touch here. It's a core mechanic and the LAW of mafia games. No one should be immune to lynches. You take that away and it's like crippling townies, it's extremely demotivating knowing that even lynches are useless and that scum has an out for lynches. No one, and i mean NO ONE should have the means to dodge or be immune to lynches, it's our only most effective way of getting rid of scum.

Stuff like lynch tanking, lynch redirect, missing with lynch shinanegans should be EXTREMELY EXTREMELY rare if straight up not a thing, and if you do include it. You usually include it on a townie role or worst case scenario a serial killer or some busted indie. But not mafia. Mafia have the destructive abilities to wipe any townies from the face of this earth, towny can't do the same thing. Lynch is where townies power reside, if mafia wanna take over lynching a townie, then they need to put in the effort thread wise, lead and make a mislynch happen.

Just my couple cents here. Nothing personal.

This, lynch fuckery abilities should be very very very controlled

 

[Dr_Professor83]

I think in a regular game everyone’s take on lynches and stuff is correct. I think there’s a disconnect that Weebs should be a normal game to some and others it’s the game where all that crazy stuff is allowed to finally happen

 

[Adam 🍎]

Game remove in itself isn't bad

But someone removing themselves when they are main wagon or 10 min before vote lock isn't it

 

[Fujishiro]

Also, lynching is like the one thing a host should not touch here. It's a core mechanic and the LAW of mafia games. No one should be immune to lynches.
Lynch is where townies power reside, if mafia wanna take over lynching a townie, then they need to put in the effort thread wise, lead and make a mislynch happen.

Just my couple cents here. Nothing personal.

Every single SRM and Weebs ever had lynch stops, redirects and such.

You take that away and it's like crippling townies, it's extremely demotivating knowing that even lynches are useless and that scum has an out for lynches. No one, and i mean NO ONE should have the means to dodge or be immune to lynches, it's our only most effective way of getting rid of scum.

You literally quoted a post telling you you could make it a non problem you realize that right?

Stuff like lynch tanking, lynch redirect, missing with lynch shinanegans should be EXTREMELY EXTREMELY rare if straight up not a thing, and if you do include it. You usually include it on a townie role or worst case scenario a serial killer or some busted indie.

It is rare, Ultra has 2 and TAC has 1 and Ratchet has 1.

All counterable by Melkor and Naomi btw.

But not mafia. Mafia have the destructive abilities to wipe any townies from the face of this earth, towny can't do the same thing.

Town can do this too in this game and then some.

 

[Flower]

I was really, really pissed at this. I always get pushed by the same people who expect different results for the same pushes and reactions. When you enter a game and already get called a detriment 8 pages in and then people call you stupid for using a Time Stop ability which stops scum kills, then that is just awful. I just wanted to help people with my actions and that‘s what I got.

 

[SoulKiller]

Nah man you don't understand

You are supposed to make an informed decision while being uninformed

That's what is bugging me, they expect us to know things we are not aware of and paint it as the 'out' of whatever crtizisim we bring to the table.

Like I am suppose to know that scum can game remove a player few minutes before the DP end to save whatever scum they want. They expect us to know that scum can tank multiple lynches, they expect us to know that scum can redirect lynches and that we have the tools to combat such thing. But we do not know any of that and the player who DOES has the tools to combat such things never brought such information to the table. But we should know better.

 

[Dr_Professor83]

Like in 19/20 SRM games I agree lol. But saying you should never have a more whacky game where it gets out there I also don’t agree with

 

[MangoSenpai]

You can easily tell when town collectively comes together and start saying what actions and abilities each one of them used and at what player. But at that time it's too late, alot of the players used their abilities on an outed scum already.

I get it, it's fundamentally harder to co-ordinate with town, that's kinda inevitable, I concur.

The core argument I am trying to promote is to adapt and improvise. If you are faced with a problem, you want to try and find a solution to fix it. If you try one method of solving the problem, but it doesn't work the first time, or the second time or even the third time; What are the chances it's gonna work on the 4th attempt?

There are most often more than one solution to a problem, but you can't solve it if you try the same thing over and over and over again hoping for a different result!


And I get it, it's OP and BS - kinda goes against the traditional values and ideas of the game - but Weebs is a special kind of game, it's exciting, it's big, it's complex, it's a big big puzzle with many pieces on the board. It is an event.


Yes, I am used to these kinds of roles, they are nothing new to me. They do forego conventional knowledege to some degree, but it's not some unsolvable mystery.
The game isn't set up for you to lose, it's set up for you to try and find the solution using the multitude of pieces and information you gather.

 

[Flower]

I would never vote you if it weren't the indy claim.

And I told you multiple times I fake that as Town, too, and only as Town.

 

[Fujishiro]

I think in a regular game everyone’s take on lynches and stuff is correct. I think there’s a disconnect that Weebs should be a normal game to some and others it’s the game where all that crazy stuff is allowed to finally happen

Yes SK trying to lecture me about what a host should and shouldnt do when I offered clear counterplay is weird imo. Its like Im talking to deaf people, him and @Adam 🍎

Game remove in itself isn't bad

But someone removing themselves when they are main wagon or 10 min before vote lock isn't it

I think in hindsight we shouldve made it so she has to use it lik 12 hours before EOD but since it happened once we didnt change that and there was counterplay to it just have a proper secondary wagon.

How many times did I said this this game? Probabyl a million times.

 

[Adam 🍎]

That's what is bugging me, they expect us to know things we are not aware of and paint it as the 'out' of whatever crtizisim we bring to the table.

Like I am suppose to know that scum can game remove a player few minutes before the DP end to save whatever scum they want. They expect us to know that scum can tank multiple lynches, they expect us to know that scum can redirect lynches and that we have the tools to combat such thing. But we do not know any of that and the player who DOES has the tools to combat such things never brought such information to the table. But we should know better.

We would know if we had sufficient cop abilities

 

[Peroroncino]

And I told you multiple times I fake that as Town, too, and only as Town.

Its a game of lies

 

[Fujishiro]

Who received it?

Ekkos role, then he gave it to Ariess and Ariess couldnt use it in time because Ekko got killed.

 

[SoulKiller]

We would know if we had sufficient cop abilities

I was told that I cannot make any sort of investigation abilities, like not even a tracker, or watcher, or anything of that nature that hints being investigation.

 

[Fujishiro]

We would know if we had sufficient cop abilities

And we're back to this again. Youre like a broken record bro.