Questions & Mysteries What are Kuzan's objectives and plans ?

[Buusatan94]

All of us know that Kuzan left the Navy after his defeat at Sakazuki's hands and that he somehow became an ally or a member of the Blackbeard Pirates during the timeskip.

He was also apparently aware of Doflamingo's ties with the Underworld and with Kaido and may have discovered many other informations on the UW, Yonkos and other pirates and criminal groups and on the dark side of the World Government during and after the TS. His warning to Smoker also seems to have been more about what could happen after Doflamgingo's fall than just an advise to stop the Celestial Demon.

With all of these in mind what do you think that Kuzan's objectives and plans are on the long run ? What are his plans for the future of the marines and what does he want to happen with the WG ?
Is he connected to Sword and still in touch with Garp and other marines ?

 

[Jew D. Boy]

All of us know that Kuzan left the Navy after his defeat at Sakazuki's hands and that he somehow became an ally or a member of the Blackbeard Pirates during the timeskip.

He was also apparently aware of Doflamingo's ties with the Underworld and with Kaido and may have discovered many other informations on the UW, Yonkos and other pirates and criminal groups and on the dark side of the World Government during and after the TS. His warning to Smoker also seems to have been more about what could happen after Doflamgingo's fall than just an advise to stop the Celestial Demon.

With all of these in mind what do you think that Kuzan's objectives and plans are on the long run ? What are his plans for the future of the marines and what does he want to happen with the WG ?
Is he connected to Sword and still in touch with Garp and other marines ?

Our introduction to SWORD implied that it’s outside the scope of Akainu/Gorosei, so I’m choosing to interpret that as a rogue force aiming to stop certain pirates they’ve deemed especially dangerous without having to worry about the political fallout.

That being said, it seems like Kuzan is not only a member of this force of “good” Marines, but is taking the same tact with Blackbeard as Drake is taking with Kaido. (Independent of the topic, I believe there are a few high ranking Marines, maybe some we haven’t officially met yet, who have similarly infiltrated the crews of Shanks and Big Mom, but I don’t have enough evidence to staunchly defend that opinion.) He’s likely gathering intel and reporting back to whoever’s in charge...unless that’s him, in which case, perhaps he’s deemed BB the biggest threat currently facing the world and wanted to handle the operation himself.

Kuzan’s justice has always been a little hard to peg down, but he clearly believes there is evil in the world, and it’s not necessarily the villains as portrayed by the World Government at large - case in point, he could have easily chosen to wipe out Robin and the rest of the SHP after Enies Lobby and would have been well within his governmental rights to do so, but he opted to let them go because they didn’t strike him as bad people. Therefore, the former admiral as current vigilante working for the greater good without the bounds of his former position makes a lot of sense to me.

 

[Finalbeta]

I hope he really thought about spying the BB Pirates in order to avoid some catastrophes in the future.

Not sure about his ultimate goal still.

 

[ShinmenTakezo]

Our introduction to SWORD implied that it’s outside the scope of Akainu/Gorosei, so I’m choosing to interpret that as a rogue force aiming to stop certain pirates they’ve deemed especially dangerous without having to worry about the political fallout.

That being said, it seems like Kuzan is not only a member of this force of “good” Marines, but is taking the same tact with Blackbeard as Drake is taking with Kaido. (Independent of the topic, I believe there are a few high ranking Marines, maybe some we haven’t officially met yet, who have similarly infiltrated the crews of Shanks and Big Mom, but I don’t have enough evidence to staunchly defend that opinion.) He’s likely gathering intel and reporting back to whoever’s in charge...unless that’s him, in which case, perhaps he’s deemed BB the biggest threat currently facing the world and wanted to handle the operation himself.

Kuzan’s justice has always been a little hard to peg down, but he clearly believes there is evil in the world, and it’s not necessarily the villains as portrayed by the World Government at large - case in point, he could have easily chosen to wipe out Robin and the rest of the SHP after Enies Lobby and would have been well within his governmental rights to do so, but he opted to let them go because they didn’t strike him as bad people. Therefore, the former admiral as current vigilante working for the greater good without the bounds of his former position makes a lot of sense to me.

Wouldn´t be surprised if he does that with Akainu´s knowing but without telling the World Government, considering how corrupt some people are, and thus would lead to the info spreading.
Shanks can literally talk with Gorosei, Doflamingo had a lot of leeway with the Tenryuubito and so forth.

I do see this as the first step in Marines moving on everyone in the New World.

 

[bluefire12]

To watch marines and pirate fight while he steals the ponyglyphs

 

[Bil02]

Kuzan probably wants to observe the opposite side of justice and see for himself if the world is just black or white..
He is also surely keeping an eye on bb wanting to know his motives and will probably confront bb at some point wanting to stop him and by doing that,bb will surely destroy him like a dog.
I don't see kuzan surviving till final war.

 

[ShinmenTakezo]

Oh, interesting...so you think Akainu knows about SWORD? I feel like that’s the kind of thing he would find frivolous, like they should be trying to take down EVERY pirate crew instead of the Yonko they seem to be focused on right now. We don’t know much at all about their true motives and operations, so it’s definitely possible he’s calling the shots.

I think he does, yep. It´s consistent with him moving Marine HQ to the New World, since that´s pretty much an indirect declaration of war on the Yonkou, the ones the old Marines did not bother much beyond trying to hinder them working together.
The World Government and Marines are not a complete union, i know we did not delve too much into it, but from the little what we have seen, there are many objectives simultaneously being acted upon.
I think the clash between the Gorosei and Akainu during Dressrosa, Sengoku at the end of the war, and the fact that the World Government is pretty much working together with pirates beyond Shichibukai, something the Marines do not know about, illustrate that point very well.
So while there is nothing substantial at this point to suggest it, i do think Kuzan and Drake infiltrating Yonkou is something connected by a larger plan.

 

[Longleg Larry]

Chill

That. Is. All

 

[ardym]

Kuzan is more or less on Luffy's side he wants justice and no one does for Justice more than Luffy and his crew , they are pirates true but they befriended people and don't kill them. and for sure the time will come when he will betray BB, being with BB is only a part of his plan

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Our introduction to SWORD implied that it’s outside the scope of Akainu/Gorosei, so I’m choosing to interpret that as a rogue force aiming to stop certain pirates they’ve deemed especially dangerous without having to worry about the political fallout.

That being said, it seems like Kuzan is not only a member of this force of “good” Marines, but is taking the same tact with Blackbeard as Drake is taking with Kaido. (Independent of the topic, I believe there are a few high ranking Marines, maybe some we haven’t officially met yet, who have similarly infiltrated the crews of Shanks and Big Mom, but I don’t have enough evidence to staunchly defend that opinion.) He’s likely gathering intel and reporting back to whoever’s in charge...unless that’s him, in which case, perhaps he’s deemed BB the biggest threat currently facing the world and wanted to handle the operation himself.

Kuzan’s justice has always been a little hard to peg down, but he clearly believes there is evil in the world, and it’s not necessarily the villains as portrayed by the World Government at large - case in point, he could have easily chosen to wipe out Robin and the rest of the SHP after Enies Lobby and would have been well within his governmental rights to do so, but he opted to let them go because they didn’t strike him as bad people. Therefore, the former admiral as current vigilante working for the greater good without the bounds of his former position makes a lot of sense to me.

well him being a part of SWORD is a possibility but i cannot see him a subordinate of Drake who is the captain of the unit

 

[Dark Knight Sanji]

Aokiji is definitely working as a spy, however, I was surprised to see that X Drake was the leader of the clandestine forces for the Marines. Maybe, Aokiji is deep undercover such that only Kong, Akainu or Sengoku knows and to the rest of the Marines he is genuinely affiliated with BB.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

Oh, interesting...so you think Akainu knows about SWORD? I feel like that’s the kind of thing he would find frivolous, like they should be trying to take down EVERY pirate crew instead of the Yonko they seem to be focused on right now. We don’t know much at all about their true motives and operations, so it’s definitely possible he’s calling the shots.

its impossible that akainu isn't calling the shots

Spoiler

Drake was basically following akainu's orders to do nothing in regards to kaido. What's more is that Drake is funneling information about wano kuni directly to the marines. He's the one that informed everyone about the return of the Rocks pirates.

The only thing that suggests that akainu doesn't know about it is what he said about the samurai. But that's entirely reasonable. Even with Drake as an informant, the marines don't know that much about wano. Furthermore, Garp's response to that basically suggested that akainu was only using the whole "samurai" thing as an excuse not to get involved. Its obvious that the marines don't have the resources to deal with it at the time but akainu would never say that because of his pride