Future Events What did Oda do to the gods of the admirals?

#1
The narrative plays an important role in the expansion of the community. Let's take the example of the Admiral Agenda.

Much of the Admiral Agenda relied on two narrative ideas within the community:

  1. The Marines and the Shichibukai exist in balance with the Yonkou. Not just one Yonkou, but all four based on what Garp said. This means that the Admirals, along with all the Shichibukai, need to be able to balance the net military force that the four Yonkou can exert.
What this form of narrative scaling effectively meant was that the Admiral Agenda could claim that an Admiral must be comparable to a Yonkou for such a balance to exist.

Of course, when Big Mom and Kaido were about to join forces, we saw the flaw in that narrative: the Marines panicked. Akainu was like, "Oh no, Fujitora, the legends were all true, the Rocks legends," Green Bull was afraid of Kaido, Shanks treated Green Bull in such a humiliating way that it’s hard to argue that "They are relative" anymore.

This narrative doesn't take into account that, as the Yonkou fight among themselves, their net military force actually cancels out quite a bit. Or that characters like Garp and Sengoku also exist on the Marines' side.

  1. The World Government is the great evil of the End of Series (EoS). Since the Marines are the combat arm of the world government and the Admirals are the strongest Marines, this would mean that anything you scale to EoS Luffy must be able to differentiate extremely from the fleet admiral of the time and that they don't have any other secret fighters.
This narrative required them to believe that the Gorosei are just pencil-pushing politicians and aren't capable of fighting their own battles.

But as the plot unfolded, characters like Imu were revealed along with the Gorosei, who turned out to be immortal conquerors, all being warrior gods and having awakened fruits (or perhaps simply being demons), and being able to wield ancient weapons, and having the holy knights on their side, all 5 Gorosei overshadowed Kizaru in the arc that was apparently supposed to be his. Oda threw him in the trash without a second thought, once again proving that an Admiral was not equivalent to a Yonkou.

The narrative importance that the community attributed to the Admirals diminished even further. They aren't even the villains of the EoS anymore, they never were, that speculation that "Oh no, when Luffy goes to take down the world government, the ones who will protect the old non-fighting politicians will be the Admirals."

This form of narrative scaling allowed the Admiral Agenda to get away with claiming feats over a 70-year-old man with cancer who could barely use Haki properly, whom they had to weaken further by deceiving their own teammate to stab him, or even beating commanders who were either mortally wounded or emotionally disturbed and distracted when they didn't defeat a single healthy commander.

But as the plot unfolds, the Admirals find themselves increasingly without any narrative support in the story. Now all they have is “maybe the Admirals will rebel,” ignoring that the Admirals would be brutally murdered if they did so by the true villains of the EoS, since the key to defeating the Gorosei may eventually end up being the Acoc that no admiral possesses, it is no coincidence that Oda has been holding back Luffy and his use of Acoc.

Not to mention the humiliations they've suffered since Wano ended in terms of actual feats, it’s brutal.

@comrade @Hanzo hattori @MonsterKaido @nik87 @Fleet Leader Fenaker @Erkan12 etc...
 
#3
The narrative plays an important role in the expansion of the community. Let's take the example of the Admiral Agenda.

Much of the Admiral Agenda relied on two narrative ideas within the community:

  1. The Marines and the Shichibukai exist in balance with the Yonkou. Not just one Yonkou, but all four based on what Garp said. This means that the Admirals, along with all the Shichibukai, need to be able to balance the net military force that the four Yonkou can exert.
What this form of narrative scaling effectively meant was that the Admiral Agenda could claim that an Admiral must be comparable to a Yonkou for such a balance to exist.

Of course, when Big Mom and Kaido were about to join forces, we saw the flaw in that narrative: the Marines panicked. Akainu was like, "Oh no, Fujitora, the legends were all true, the Rocks legends," Green Bull was afraid of Kaido, Shanks treated Green Bull in such a humiliating way that it’s hard to argue that "They are relative" anymore.

This narrative doesn't take into account that, as the Yonkou fight among themselves, their net military force actually cancels out quite a bit. Or that characters like Garp and Sengoku also exist on the Marines' side.

  1. The World Government is the great evil of the End of Series (EoS). Since the Marines are the combat arm of the world government and the Admirals are the strongest Marines, this would mean that anything you scale to EoS Luffy must be able to differentiate extremely from the fleet admiral of the time and that they don't have any other secret fighters.
This narrative required them to believe that the Gorosei are just pencil-pushing politicians and aren't capable of fighting their own battles.

But as the plot unfolded, characters like Imu were revealed along with the Gorosei, who turned out to be immortal conquerors, all being warrior gods and having awakened fruits (or perhaps simply being demons), and being able to wield ancient weapons, and having the holy knights on their side, all 5 Gorosei overshadowed Kizaru in the arc that was apparently supposed to be his. Oda threw him in the trash without a second thought, once again proving that an Admiral was not equivalent to a Yonkou.

The narrative importance that the community attributed to the Admirals diminished even further. They aren't even the villains of the EoS anymore, they never were, that speculation that "Oh no, when Luffy goes to take down the world government, the ones who will protect the old non-fighting politicians will be the Admirals."

This form of narrative scaling allowed the Admiral Agenda to get away with claiming feats over a 70-year-old man with cancer who could barely use Haki properly, whom they had to weaken further by deceiving their own teammate to stab him, or even beating commanders who were either mortally wounded or emotionally disturbed and distracted when they didn't defeat a single healthy commander.

But as the plot unfolds, the Admirals find themselves increasingly without any narrative support in the story. Now all they have is “maybe the Admirals will rebel,” ignoring that the Admirals would be brutally murdered if they did so by the true villains of the EoS, since the key to defeating the Gorosei may eventually end up being the Acoc that no admiral possesses, it is no coincidence that Oda has been holding back Luffy and his use of Acoc.

Not to mention the humiliations they've suffered since Wano ended in terms of actual feats, it’s brutal.

@comrade @Hanzo hattori @MonsterKaido @nik87 @Fleet Leader Fenaker @Erkan12 etc...
Worm did not outshine shit
 
#9
Mihawk > Yonkou ~ Fleet Admiral
Admiral > Yonkou Commander > 2 Warlords.


This is the representation of power which balanced everything.

Marines Dominated because of Admirals.

Marines > Warlords > Yonkou's.
 
#13
The Marines and the Shichibukai exist in balance with the Yonkou. Not just one Yonkou, but all four based on what Garp said. This means that the Admirals, along with all the Shichibukai, need to be able to balance the net military force that the four Yonkou can exert.
then you interpreted it wrong because two yonkos can destroy the Marines and the world government.
 
#14
then you interpreted it wrong because two yonkos can destroy the Marines and the world government.
2 Yonko couldn’t even destroy the paltry alliance of 3 Supernova and 5,000 samurai in Wano.

1 Yonko was nearly killed against less than 1/3rd of the Marines and 1 CP0 agent & 1 Gorosei.

1 Yonko was sent packing from Amazon Lily by Rayleigh after an ex-Warlord took out 2 Commanders effortlessly.

Half of 1 Yonko crew was struggling with Law & the Heart Pirates while the other half was getting beat up by Garp with just 1 Navy ship at Hachinosu.

What sort of fanfiction led you to that conclusion in your comment? Some sort of comedy skit?
:suresure:
 
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#15
2 Yonko couldn’t even destroy the paltry alliance of 3 Supernova and 5,000 samurai in Wano.
shows you actually didn't read the story and how everything transpired. Most of kaido's forces were converted to the strawhats alliance because tama remember her? Chopper was also another factor why a few of the beast pirates switch up by healing them from the ice oni virus with Marco. Who by the way was a the third party of this war along with izo.

1 Yonko was nearly killed against less than 1/3rd of the Marines and 1 CP0 agent & 1 Gorosei.
you do realize marineford was almost completely destroyed do to whitebeard's devil fruit alone right. Hell even at the start of marineford that tsunami whitebeard created would've sweep out most of the weaker force making saving ace much easier.

1 Yonko was sent packing from Amazon Lily by Rayleigh after an ex-Warlord took out 2 Commanders effortlessly.
Rayleigh had to bluff his way through because he also knows he didn't stand a chance against Blackbeard especially at his age. It was Rayleigh's reputation that saved him and boa.

Half of 1 Yonko crew was struggling with Law & the Heart Pirates while the other half was getting beat up by Garp with just 1 Navy ship at Hachinosu.
yeah it's law and his crew there not weak by any means also Blackbeard wanted something from law not to outright kill him. Also didn't garp and up losing anyway?
 
#16
shows you actually didn't read the story and how everything transpired. Most of kaido's forces were converted to the strawhats alliance because tama remember her? Chopper was also another factor why a few of the beast pirates switch up by healing them from the ice oni virus with Marco. Who by the way was a the third party of this war along with izo.

you do realize marineford was almost completely destroyed do to whitebeard's devil fruit alone right. Hell even at the start of marineford that tsunami whitebeard created would've sweep out most of the weaker force making saving ace much easier.

Rayleigh had to bluff his way through because he also knows he didn't stand a chance against Blackbeard especially at his age. It was Rayleigh's reputation that saved him and boa.

yeah it's law and his crew there not weak by any means also Blackbeard wanted something from law not to outright kill him. Also didn't garp and up losing anyway?
Lmao! Then comes the excuses. If a portion of fodder makes that much difference to you, then your comment is even sillier since the WG has far more fodder to spare.
Trying to use “reading the story” just makes things worse for you because I have to remind you of things Every. Single. Time.

“Marco & Izo”…actually hilarious stuff. You believe those 2 make a big difference against 2 Yonko but somehow forget that the WG has far more fighters well beyond that level to spare.
“But…but…they had Marco & Izo, so that’s not fair.”
:suresure:

Too bad only WB has WB’s devil fruit…and now only Blackbeard does.
How does that do any favours for the other Yonko?
Did you forget what 2 Admirals alone did to Punk Hazard as well?
Or even what 1 Admiral did to Udon that’s larger than every other place mentioned combined!

Also…you somehow missed that the reference was to Egghead, not Marineford (forgot that there were no Gorosei on Marineford, did you?)
And you have the gall to talk about reading
:seriously:

Even if Rayleigh doesn’t win against BB, the fact that he was enough to put him in check just shows how ridiculous your comment was. An even younger version of that Rayleigh had his hands full with just 1 Admiral who had him sweating and huffing.
If BB has to retreat from one such opponent, how on earth do you expect him to face 2 at the same time…let alone all the other forces of the WG? The Navy alone has 4-6 people at that caliber.

I don’t know if you are just trolling or oblivious at this point. Someone trying this level of Yonko wanking in the Year of Our Lord 2024 is both funny and sad.
Try the math in your head. You acknowledge the challenge that just Law and a handful of fodder was for Blackbeard?
Now compare that to the Navy & WG, get that brain working:

- Law, Bepo, 100 fodder

- Imu, 5 Gorosei, 1 Fleet Admiral, 3 Admirals, Garp, Sengoku, Lucci & 10 CP0 agents, 7 Seraphim, 50 MK III Pacifista, 3 dozen Vice Admirals, Cipher Pol 1-9, Magellan & Impel down, 100,000 Marines, 1,000s of individual nation fighters

Is it too much faith to expect you to be able to count?
 
#18
Lmao! Then comes the excuses. If a portion of fodder makes that much difference to you, then your comment is even sillier since the WG has far more fodder to spare.
numbers are just as important inside a war as well as having your top fighters. No matter how strong an individual is numbers he can still be overwhelmed through sheer numbers. Jinbe vs who's who is an example of this. Clearly Jinbe is stronger than who's who but since he has backup makes it a much harder fight.

“Marco & Izo”…actually hilarious stuff. You believe those 2 make a big difference against 2 Yonko but somehow forget that the WG has far more fighters well beyond that level to spare.
“But…but…they had Marco & Izo, so that’s not fair.
yes if you're not just focusing on the fight aspect of the story.


Too bad only WB has WB’s devil fruit…and now only Blackbeard does.
How does that do any favours for the other Yonko?
by stealing their territories and resources.

Did you forget what 2 Admirals alone did to Punk Hazard as well?
that's impressive but not as impressive as lifting an entire island or tilting the tectonic plates and the difference between what Yonkos did and what the admirals did is that the yonko do it effortlessly. The admirals have to go all out just to change the terrain of the island.

Or even what 1 Admiral did to Udon that’s larger than every other place mentioned combined
how is taken out two already injured yonko commanders an impressive feat to you?

Even if Rayleigh doesn’t win against BB, the fact that he was enough to put him in check just shows how ridiculous your comment was. An even younger version of that Rayleigh had his hands full with just 1 Admiral who had him sweating and huffing.
that's do to gear using a lot of energy not because of the fight itself.

If BB has to retreat from one such opponent, how on earth do you expect him to face 2 at the same time…let alone all the other forces of the WG? The Navy alone has 4-6 people at that caliber.
what two opponents you're talking about?

I don’t know if you are just trolling or oblivious at this point. Someone trying this level of Yonko wanking in the Year of Our Lord 2024 is both funny and sad.
what's sad is that you just now realized that the yonko are the pinnacle of power in one piece. It's like your are just reading it to scale other characters.

Try the math in your head. You acknowledge the challenge that just Law and a handful of fodder was for Blackbeard?
I didn't know Sachi and penguin are fodder how much do you know about the series do you actually know?
 
#20
The narrative plays an important role in the expansion of the community. Let's take the example of the Admiral Agenda.

Much of the Admiral Agenda relied on two narrative ideas within the community:

  1. The Marines and the Shichibukai exist in balance with the Yonkou. Not just one Yonkou, but all four based on what Garp said. This means that the Admirals, along with all the Shichibukai, need to be able to balance the net military force that the four Yonkou can exert.
What this form of narrative scaling effectively meant was that the Admiral Agenda could claim that an Admiral must be comparable to a Yonkou for such a balance to exist.

Of course, when Big Mom and Kaido were about to join forces, we saw the flaw in that narrative: the Marines panicked. Akainu was like, "Oh no, Fujitora, the legends were all true, the Rocks legends," Green Bull was afraid of Kaido, Shanks treated Green Bull in such a humiliating way that it’s hard to argue that "They are relative" anymore.

This narrative doesn't take into account that, as the Yonkou fight among themselves, their net military force actually cancels out quite a bit. Or that characters like Garp and Sengoku also exist on the Marines' side.

  1. The World Government is the great evil of the End of Series (EoS). Since the Marines are the combat arm of the world government and the Admirals are the strongest Marines, this would mean that anything you scale to EoS Luffy must be able to differentiate extremely from the fleet admiral of the time and that they don't have any other secret fighters.
This narrative required them to believe that the Gorosei are just pencil-pushing politicians and aren't capable of fighting their own battles.

But as the plot unfolded, characters like Imu were revealed along with the Gorosei, who turned out to be immortal conquerors, all being warrior gods and having awakened fruits (or perhaps simply being demons), and being able to wield ancient weapons, and having the holy knights on their side, all 5 Gorosei overshadowed Kizaru in the arc that was apparently supposed to be his. Oda threw him in the trash without a second thought, once again proving that an Admiral was not equivalent to a Yonkou.

The narrative importance that the community attributed to the Admirals diminished even further. They aren't even the villains of the EoS anymore, they never were, that speculation that "Oh no, when Luffy goes to take down the world government, the ones who will protect the old non-fighting politicians will be the Admirals."

This form of narrative scaling allowed the Admiral Agenda to get away with claiming feats over a 70-year-old man with cancer who could barely use Haki properly, whom they had to weaken further by deceiving their own teammate to stab him, or even beating commanders who were either mortally wounded or emotionally disturbed and distracted when they didn't defeat a single healthy commander.

But as the plot unfolds, the Admirals find themselves increasingly without any narrative support in the story. Now all they have is “maybe the Admirals will rebel,” ignoring that the Admirals would be brutally murdered if they did so by the true villains of the EoS, since the key to defeating the Gorosei may eventually end up being the Acoc that no admiral possesses, it is no coincidence that Oda has been holding back Luffy and his use of Acoc.

Not to mention the humiliations they've suffered since Wano ended in terms of actual feats, it’s brutal.

@comrade @Hanzo hattori @MonsterKaido @nik87 @Fleet Leader Fenaker @Erkan12 etc...
Your logic since the beginning is just wrong.

Admirals need to be equal to the Yonko from Garps statement but you exclude Warlords who are paired with Admirals in the same sentence?

That seems very hypocrite and selecting based on an agenda.
 
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