General & Others What did you really think about the war at Marineford ?

#1
What is your opinion of the war that happened at Marineford overall ?
Did it exceed your expectations or were you disappointed about it ? Were there enough onscreen fights and did you find them to be impressive ?

What did you think about Whitebeard, his crew and their performance during the war ? And for the marines ? Warlords ?
 
#3
It surpassed my expectations personally. At the time, reading it weekly, most people understood that Oda wasn't going to show full blown fights between Doflamingo and Joz or Mihawk and Vista. At the time these men were way higher in tier than Luffy, so it made sense for Oda to hide these battles.

The biggest tease we got was Whitebeard Vs. Akainu, which was done extremely well for the 4-5 pages we got of it. Whitebeard was able to show everything he had, even as a dying man. Akainu clearly has more to show, but I was genuinely surprised Oda let Whitebeard trash a likely future villain after introducing him 20 chapters before.

Now, as for "power scaling"? I honestly think its entirely fine. You see Vista facing Mihawk nicely. If Marco/Joz weren't distracted, they likely wouldn't have been "beaten" by the Admirals as quickly. I think the power level has been relatively similar if you think about it. Perhaps Katakuri, like Marco, could stand up to Kizaru for a time before being beaten, if we assume all top Yonko Commanders are of similar strength (which they probably aren't). I think the biggest argument FOR Whitebeard is he had 16 division commanders, unlike the 4 Sweet Commanders or the 3 Calamities. Blackbeard has 10 titanic captains. We don't truly know the power scaling for each character yet.

As for the Marines, I think it was played out just fine. Vice Admirals were owning Luffy at the time, New World captains were fighting Vice Admirals properly, Whitebeard adequately was able to hit Akainu twice by sacrificing half his face..... It entirely worked for me.


Now I know what most people are going to complain about here, and that is panel time and offscreening. I have a firm belief that Oda offpanels higher tier characters with the effort to eventually show them off in the future. Now, higher tier characters like Aokiji/Kizaru owning the small fry? Different. They aren't trying. But the:

- Summit War
- Payback War
- Akainu v. Aokiji
- Sabo v. Fujitora
- Sabo v. Fujitora/Ryokugyu
- Kaido v. Big Mom

fights were mostly offscreened to prevent people from seeing the max potential of these characters too soon. Ace vs. Blackbeard happened because:

1. Ace was destined to die. His growth stops there.
2. Blackbeard becomes a monster beyond his Darkness powers.


NOW, if Wano's War pulls the same stunt instead of showing off the full might of:

- Kaido and his forces
- Big Mom and her forces
- Whomever Nekomamushi recruits (Former Whitebeard Pirates/Former Roger Pirates?)
- The Strawhat Crew and Supernovas.

THEN we have a right to be disappointed. But, I think this will be a very full and complete war when compared to Marineford.


Tl;dr: Marineford was perfect for what it was. A taste of what is to come and still is to come. Wano's War is about closing a huge chapter in the manga, hence why it needs to show off the full might of every character taking part in it.
 
#4
I always thought it doesn't really hold up in hindsight, the fighting is very simplistic and can't be compared easily with after the timeskip, and how Oda ruined Whitebeard physically was disgusting. However it still gives a model of the scale of events I'm looking forward to the most.
 
#5
I always thought it doesn't really hold up in hindsight, the fighting is very simplistic and can't be compared easily with after the timeskip, and how Oda ruined Whitebeard physically was disgusting. However it still gives a model of the scale of events I'm looking forward to the most.
"Ruined". Dude, he was barely a character before Marineford (with 2 appearances), and he was always sick. He pretty much owned everyone even while dying, so the power scaling was entirely consistent with what we have now.
 
#6
I mean "ruined" in the literal PHYSICAL sense, how he was horribly disfigured and unemboweled basically. Undignified stuff, a cruel streak of Oda. The anime also decided "nope" at one point.
 

Jew D. Boy

I Can Go Lower
#7
Still one of the best, most consequential arcs of the entire series. Getting to see most of the big names to that point clash was awesome, watching Whitebeard and his crew fight so hard to save Ace was inspiring, the man’s ultimate demise at the hand of Akainu (who kinda came out of nowhere when the arc began) was heart wrenching, and Luffy’s participation made it all the more wild. Recently read through the entire series again, and it really struck me that so much was happening almost to the point of oversaturation, but until Wano, I think it was the last great arc for some time just in terms of how much it resolved AND how much more it set up.
 

KiriNigiri

The Road To Harmony
#8
The war itself really didn't matter. It was but a means to an end. Luffy needed a reason to train along with his crew, Blackbeard needed to become the next Emperor, etc.

And while the war was happening, it was mostly background noise while we focused primarily on Luffy trying to save Ace, only to prove how hopelessly outmatched he was by several fighters there and needed protection.
 
#9
Still one of the best, most consequential arcs of the entire series. Getting to see most of the big names to that point clash was awesome, watching Whitebeard and his crew fight so hard to save Ace was inspiring, the man’s ultimate demise at the hand of Akainu (who kinda came out of nowhere when the arc began) was heart wrenching, and Luffy’s participation made it all the more wild. Recently read through the entire series again, and it really struck me that so much was happening almost to the point of oversaturation, but until Wano, I think it was the last great arc for some time just in terms of how much it resolved AND how much more it set up.
The war itself really didn't matter. It was but a means to an end. Luffy needed a reason to train along with his crew, Blackbeard needed to become the next Emperor, etc.

And while the war was happening, it was mostly background noise while we focused primarily on Luffy trying to save Ace, only to prove how hopelessly outmatched he was by several fighters there and needed protection.
Its why I have confidence that Wano's war will be different. This is the culmination of 350 chapters of storytelling and the first breakthrough arc the strawhats will have post-Timeskip. I don't think Oda intended to take this long to get to it however. Wano has the potential do a hundred times more than Marineford did.
 

Finalbeta

Ging Freecss stan
#10
It's the strongest arc in the manga and I'm glad such cool fights were displayed so early

Sadly haki was not a huge thing back then, otherwise fights would have been even way more spectacular
 

Jew D. Boy

I Can Go Lower
#11
It's the strongest arc in the manga and I'm glad such cool fights were displayed so early

Sadly haki was not a huge thing back then, otherwise fights would have been even way more spectacular
I feel like every single one of the admirals would have taken way more damage (and possibly been defeated) if CoA had already been introduced or fully explained, that would have made for even more seismic changes after the war.
 
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