General & Others What if it was the beast pirates needing to rescue Ace at Marineford
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Doffy switches sides. Moriah doesn’t show up. Jinbe still helps Luffy, and Hancock fights both sides because of Luffy. Mihawk and Kuma are the only Warlords that help the Marines. Yamato also shows up to help her father because of Ace.
Kaido beats Akainu mid/high diff
Yamato and Doflamingo beat Kizaru
Queen and Jack stall Aokiji
King stalls Mihawk even better than Vista did. Mihawk doesn’t care about the Marines, so he’s in no rush to beat King.
Ivankov = Kuma
The rest of the Marines overpower the Beast Pirates
Kaido beats Akainu mid/high diff
Yamato and Doflamingo beat Kizaru
Queen and Jack stall Aokiji
King stalls Mihawk even better than Vista did. Mihawk doesn’t care about the Marines, so he’s in no rush to beat King.
Ivankov = Kuma
The rest of the Marines overpower the Beast Pirates
Shanks would arrive earlier without Kaido slowing him down, but if we excuse that and keep everything the same just switching WB pirates with Beast Pirates, I would think the marines (as shown in pre-skip marineford without their supposed 12 characters who are admiral level, with Sengoku+Garp self nerfing, without SSG ,Gorosei or Imu) lose really badly.
It is not irrelevant. Zoro would be done if he was fighting Kaido 1 on 1.
Yes Akainu can do it. If he can actually hit a Yonkoi at his prime one on one who has full intent to kill...like he did to the sick old Yonkoi who got stabbed by Squardo
I never thought about Doffy switching side. That is actually a big game changer especially if he sets the bird cage
Yes Akainu can do it. If he can actually hit a Yonkoi at his prime one on one who has full intent to kill...like he did to the sick old Yonkoi who got stabbed by Squardo
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I never thought about Doffy switching side. That is actually a big game changer especially if he sets the bird cage
Yeah, the fight goes much worse for the Beast Pirates than it did for Whitebeard's forces.
Remember that Whitebeard brought 50 allied crews with him? Yeah, I do not recall Kaido having an equivalent force.
The Whitebeard Pirates had 14 out of their 16 Division Commanders. Kaido only has 3 Calamities, two of whom Marco can tango with at once.
The Flying Six are horribly outgunned by the sheer number of Vice Admirals and Warlords combined.
Kaido is simply severely lacking in comparable heavy hitters compared to Whitebeard.
Besides, we are currently witnessing a combined Kaido + Big Mom alliance lose to a weaker force than what the Marines had at Marineford.
There is no way Doffy would switch sides. It has zero benefits to him in this scenario.
The basis of his entire secure monopoly of the underworld along with his rule of Dressrosa is based on the World Government ignoring him because of his Warlord status. He can always find another buyer for his SMILES, he cannot find another position as cushy as Warlord.
Remember that Whitebeard brought 50 allied crews with him? Yeah, I do not recall Kaido having an equivalent force.
The Whitebeard Pirates had 14 out of their 16 Division Commanders. Kaido only has 3 Calamities, two of whom Marco can tango with at once.
The Flying Six are horribly outgunned by the sheer number of Vice Admirals and Warlords combined.
Kaido is simply severely lacking in comparable heavy hitters compared to Whitebeard.
Besides, we are currently witnessing a combined Kaido + Big Mom alliance lose to a weaker force than what the Marines had at Marineford.
There is no way Doffy would switch sides. It has zero benefits to him in this scenario.
The basis of his entire secure monopoly of the underworld along with his rule of Dressrosa is based on the World Government ignoring him because of his Warlord status. He can always find another buyer for his SMILES, he cannot find another position as cushy as Warlord.
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Beats pirates would take it because they have alot of heavy hitter plus there recovery rate would be of the chats being ancient zians & all there looking more stronger than WBP, queen plague bullets would shift things greatly kaido would be bodying akainu much worst than old sick dying whitebeard all world lords die except mihawk because he's in a different league from the rest , & kuma is really hsx not sure how it turns out for him kaido's flodders is stronger than marines flodders , etc kaido crew takes it but it won't be easy but much better than old sick whitebeard
I agree with you on the Doflamingo part that he may choose to betray Kaido‚ but there are two things I am sure of...Kaido will destroy Akainu worse than the old sick Whitebeard who couldn't even Coo Squardi's attack...even if they lose the war‚ Kaido destroys Akainu one in one . Second‚ Queen's Plaques...if he actually used them smartly‚ he can even put the admirals down with the plague‚ it is not like they are immune to it or that haki will protect them from it
Does it matter if Kaido can beat Akainu in a 1v1 when there are 5 other Top Tiers (Aokiji, Kizaru, Garp, Sengoku and Mihawk) on the Marines' side?
Why would Akainu arbitrarily take on Kaido in a 1v1? Last I checked, Akainu would have no qualms about dog piling Kaido 6 to 1. Akainu does not care about arbitrary duels, he cares about putting criminals in body bags by any means necessary.
Yeah but if we have One Piece characters actually using their brains then the Marines then have way more hax tricks up their collective sleeves.
If the Marines in general played smart then they could wipe out the majority of the Beast Pirates' forces by sinking their approaching ships. Anyone who cannot fly would be fucked.
Or how about putting Hancock against anybody who gets slightly aroused? One errant erection and BAM! Dead.
Or have Moria teleport behind any notable Beast Pirate that is engaged in combat and have him steal their shadow? In daylight, that results in disintegration. Imagine how big Dragon Kaido's shadow is? Moriah disconnects that from the back end and suddenly no more Kaido.
Doffy meanwhile can just flat out turn about 95+% of the Beast Pirates' own forces against them. Hell, considering he could stop Jozu dead in his tracks with contemptuous ease then anybody below Calamity is easy game.
Besides, are the logia Admirals not the absolute worst targets for Queen's poisons? Their bodies consist of a completely disposable element unless they are hit with Haki but good luck getting past their CoO and range. Even then, if the poison hits a limb then all of the logia Admirals would have no qualms about ripping off the affected body part and replacing it with an elemental prosthetic.
Meanwhile, the rest of the Beast Pirates are getting dog piled because Kaido brought with him only a fraction of the heat that Whitebeard brought to Marineford.
Why would Akainu arbitrarily take on Kaido in a 1v1? Last I checked, Akainu would have no qualms about dog piling Kaido 6 to 1. Akainu does not care about arbitrary duels, he cares about putting criminals in body bags by any means necessary.
Yeah but if we have One Piece characters actually using their brains then the Marines then have way more hax tricks up their collective sleeves.
If the Marines in general played smart then they could wipe out the majority of the Beast Pirates' forces by sinking their approaching ships. Anyone who cannot fly would be fucked.
Or how about putting Hancock against anybody who gets slightly aroused? One errant erection and BAM! Dead.
Or have Moria teleport behind any notable Beast Pirate that is engaged in combat and have him steal their shadow? In daylight, that results in disintegration. Imagine how big Dragon Kaido's shadow is? Moriah disconnects that from the back end and suddenly no more Kaido.
Doffy meanwhile can just flat out turn about 95+% of the Beast Pirates' own forces against them. Hell, considering he could stop Jozu dead in his tracks with contemptuous ease then anybody below Calamity is easy game.
Besides, are the logia Admirals not the absolute worst targets for Queen's poisons? Their bodies consist of a completely disposable element unless they are hit with Haki but good luck getting past their CoO and range. Even then, if the poison hits a limb then all of the logia Admirals would have no qualms about ripping off the affected body part and replacing it with an elemental prosthetic.
Meanwhile, the rest of the Beast Pirates are getting dog piled because Kaido brought with him only a fraction of the heat that Whitebeard brought to Marineford.
Beast Pirates would do a lot better than WBP!
Only admirals might stand a chance vs Kaido!
King,Queen,Jack and Yamato can beat any vice admiral except for Garp!
Chemical and Biological weapons would wreak havoc in the Battlefield!
Gifters and Numbers are superior to Marine fodders too!
Overall Marines would probably still win because they have more heavy hitters,but they would have lots of losses as well!
If this happened Marines would be very vulnerable to the other Yonko!
Only admirals might stand a chance vs Kaido!
King,Queen,Jack and Yamato can beat any vice admiral except for Garp!
Chemical and Biological weapons would wreak havoc in the Battlefield!
Gifters and Numbers are superior to Marine fodders too!
Overall Marines would probably still win because they have more heavy hitters,but they would have lots of losses as well!
If this happened Marines would be very vulnerable to the other Yonko!
No way, Jose. Kaido lucked out from being warned by Linlin to evade Hiryu Kaen and by not having to receive Asura from a healthy Zoro.
Zoro claps him and exposes Kaido as the fraud he is.
Kaido barely dodged shit. His dumb ass would probably try to tank Dai Funka only to be one-shot almost immediately.
Zoro claps him and exposes Kaido as the fraud he is.
Kaido barely dodged shit. His dumb ass would probably try to tank Dai Funka only to be one-shot almost immediately.
Moriah hates Kaido with all of his heart. He is not going to pass up the chance of getting revenge in any way that he can, whether that be going after Kaido directly or going after his subordinates in order for the rest of the Marines to focus on killing Kaido.
Moria has little concern for his own life anyway.
The bloke was more than willing to invade the heart of the Yonko Blackbeard's territory by his lonesome. In this scenario, he has all of the Marines to work with.
Moria has little concern for his own life anyway.
Moriah hates Kaido with all of his heart. He is not going to pass up the chance of getting revenge in any way that he can, whether that be going after Kaido directly or going after his subordinates in order for the rest of the Marines to focus on killing Kaido.
Moria has little concern for his own life anyway.
The bloke was more than willing to invade the heart of the Yonko Blackbeard's territory by his lonesome. In this scenario, he has all of the Marines to work with.
Moria has little concern for his own life anyway.
Unless Kaido can simultaneously keep his eye out for a teleporting opponent that can steal his several kilometer long shadow at any time while dealing with anywhere between 2-6 Top Tiers at once then yeah, Moria could pull a fast one.
Even if Moria cannot pull this move against Kaido, there is still 5 Flying sassenachs and 3 Calamities to try his luck on, especially if he works with someone that can immobilise opponents such as Aokiji or Doffy.
Besides, Kaido still has the problem of not having brought enough forces with him.
Kaido's allied captains are the Flying Six, only five of which are here since X Drake would undoubtedly betray them.
Whitebeard brought 50 allied captains with him.
Kaido has 3 Calamities and Yamato. So basically four Yonko Commanders.
Whitebeard brought 14 Yonko Commanders.
In short, Whitebeard brought with him 10x the number of allied captains and over 3x the number of Yonko Commanders that Kaido has in this scenario.... and he still lost. Lol.
Like I said, Kaido has no chance here.
Even if Moria cannot pull this move against Kaido, there is still 5 Flying sassenachs and 3 Calamities to try his luck on, especially if he works with someone that can immobilise opponents such as Aokiji or Doffy.
Besides, Kaido still has the problem of not having brought enough forces with him.
Kaido's allied captains are the Flying Six, only five of which are here since X Drake would undoubtedly betray them.
Whitebeard brought 50 allied captains with him.
Kaido has 3 Calamities and Yamato. So basically four Yonko Commanders.
Whitebeard brought 14 Yonko Commanders.
In short, Whitebeard brought with him 10x the number of allied captains and over 3x the number of Yonko Commanders that Kaido has in this scenario.... and he still lost. Lol.
Like I said, Kaido has no chance here.
