Questions & Mysteries What if that certain pirate is...

[Jo_Ndule]

I read some exchanges in the latest anime episode's thread between users and I said to myself

What if Shanks went to talk about Shiki?

It's not coincidental that the Old Hag can turn into Young Shiki, Shiki attire also gives impressions that he might be from Wano.

My guess are that :
Shiki is a Kurozomi, which means his full name is Kurozomi Shiki
*look at Orochi and others, Kurozomi are always making plans ahead to stay alerted.
WB said that Shiki always has some hidden plans he wants to execute.
I believed He betrayed Xebec at God Valley, the guest to run away while WB and BM stayed a little while when xebec Lost.
Shanks was able to get some intels on Shiki whereabouts and plans, that's why he went to talk with Gorosei.

Shiki has been cunning and planning his moves for 22 years, I believe he can be involved in Wano plot soon or post Wano.

@Red Admiral @playa4321 @DarkWitch @ArturCantSpeakJapanese

 

[K!NG HARA$H!MA]

Shikis relevance was reduced to a movie

He got no big plan going for him

 

[Paperchampion23]

Tbh, I think the certain pirate is Luffy. And that's the huge plot twist about Shanks' character. I think its a huge red herring from Oda to get us to think its someone obvious like Blackbeard, but Luffy is the most left field choice because otherwise, why keep the "certain pirate" hidden from the conversation


Recall that Shanks only went to the Gorosei after he saw Luffys bounty. By this point nothing was happening with Weevil or Blackbeard or any other major pirate. Seriously, everything big from the Reverie happened AFTER Shanks went to see them.

 

[Red Admiral]

I read some exchanges in the latest anime episode's thread between users and I said to myself

What if Shanks went to talk about Shiki?

It's not coincidental that the Old Hag can turn into Young Shiki, Shiki attire also gives impressions that he might be from Wano.

My guess are that :
Shiki is a Kurozomi, which means his full name is Kurozomi Shiki
*look at Orochi and others, Kurozomi are always making plans ahead to stay alerted.
WB said that Shiki always has some hidden plans he wants to execute.
I believed He betrayed Xebec at God Valley, the guest to run away while WB and BM stayed a little while when xebec Lost.
Shanks was able to get some intels on Shiki whereabouts and plans, that's why he went to talk with Gorosei.

Shiki has been cunning and planning his moves for 22 years, I believe he can be involved in Wano plot soon or post Wano.

@Red Admiral @playa4321 @DarkWitch @ArturCantSpeakJapanese

Shiki can be very interesting twist

- he is related to Wano somehow
- he is part of Old Rocks
- he had a world war plan 20 years ago
- Kaido was ready for a world war without the help of Big Mom
- Big Mom joined Kaido without strong proof of winning Vs world (as far as we saw)
- Shanks is aware of a danger than we aren't

all of this are facts ....
so ... claiming Shiki can be part of "Return of Rocks" is a good theory ... cause it fit perfectly

not sure if this be the case tho

 

[Fuckthis3]

Jo_Ndule

 

[Red Admiral]

Tbh, I think the certain pirate is Luffy. And that's the huge plot twist about Shanks' character. I think its a huge red herring from Oda to get us to think its someone obvious like Blackbeard, but Luffy is the most left field choice because otherwise, why keep the "certain pirate" hidden from the conversation


Recall that Shanks only went to the Gorosei after he saw Luffys bounty. By this point nothing was happening with Weevil or Blackbeard or any other major pirate. Seriously, everything big from the Reverie happened AFTER Shanks went to see them.

Teach and Luffy are in Imu's PERSONAL HUNT list
I doubt Shanks need to raise awareness about them at all

 

[Paperchampion23]

Teach and Luffy are in Imu's PERSONAL HUNT list
I doubt Shanks need to raise awareness about them at all

Shanks discussed this with the Gorosei, not Im. Who even knows what the conversation was about

 

[Luffy is the mc]

Tbh, I think the certain pirate is Luffy. And that's the huge plot twist about Shanks' character. I think its a huge red herring from Oda to get us to think its someone obvious like Blackbeard, but Luffy is the most left field choice because otherwise, why keep the "certain pirate" hidden from the conversation


Recall that Shanks only went to the Gorosei after he saw Luffys bounty. By this point nothing was happening with Weevil or Blackbeard or any other major pirate. Seriously, everything big from the Reverie happened AFTER Shanks went to see them.

I'm all for the Red Snitch theory. It would allow a Luffy vs Shanks with both of them going all out. The only problem is that it would affect luffy's view on piracy because Shanks was a big inspiration. And it's quite late in the story for Luffy to have internal questionings.

 

[Paperchampion23]

I'm all for the Red Snitch theory. It would allow a Luffy vs Shanks with both of them going all out. The only problem is that it would affect luffy's view on piracy because Shanks was a big inspiration. And it's quite late in the story for Luffy to have internal questionings.

I don't think its exactly late. I also don't think he would second guess himself. Shanks was his inspiration to become a pirate, not inspiration to drive his dream. Remember he shares a dream unknowingly with Roger that we don't know about, this really has nothing to do with Shanks.

My theory is that Shanks misunderstood this dream from Roger. Has influenced Luffy to pursue the same thing, but then Luffy essentially shows him that he's wrong in understanding it.

But yeah I fundamentally believe Shanks is the endgame player. Returning the hat and tying everything back to Shanks brings everything full circle to Chapter 1. Not to mention Oda said he's had the ending planned since the beginning and Shanks is the only other major character in Chapter 1 aside from Luffy. Then you can even see how Zoros likely final opponent, Mihawk, only has a known association with Shanks. That's why imo it makes no sense for Blackbeard to be the end villain, because there is no reason for Mihawk to fight Zoro there when Shiryu exists (and I highly doubt the whole Shiryu killing Mihawk theory) there.

Imo the Final War will encompass 4 factions. Luffys side, Blackbeards, Ims and Shanks' side. Blackbeard and Im will fall during the Final War, Shanks will fall right after or during the climax. Just a theory though, who knows.

 

[Luffy is the mc]

I don't think its exactly late. I also don't think he would second guess himself. Shanks was his inspiration to become a pirate, not inspiration to drive his dream. Remember he shares a dream unknowingly with Roger that we don't know about, this really has nothing to do with Shanks.

My theory is that Shanks misunderstood this dream from Roger. Has influenced Luffy to pursue the same thing, but then Luffy essentially shows him that he's wrong in understanding it.

But yeah I fundamentally believe Shanks is the endgame player. Returning the hat and tying everything back to Shanks brings everything full circle to Chapter 1. Not to mention Oda said he's had the ending planned since the beginning and Shanks is the only other major character in Chapter 1 aside from Luffy. Then you can even see how Zoros likely final opponent, Mihawk, only has a known association with Shanks. That's why imo it makes no sense for Blackbeard to be the end villain, because there is no reason for Mihawk to fight Zoro there when Shiryu exists (and I highly doubt the whole Shiryu killing Mihawk theory) there.

Imo the Final War will encompass 4 factions. Luffys side, Blackbeards, Ims and Shanks' side. Blackbeard and Im will fall during the Final War, Shanks will fall right after or during the climax. Just a theory though, who knows.

Well I hope so anyway. I would enjoy the dark twist.

 

[Lukegranders]

I think it’s either luffy or kidd.

Luffy for obvious plot twist reasons.

kidd because there’s a possibility we don’t know something about him like him being Uranus or having forbidden knowledge of a topic.

It fits with it the new generation angle. New gen pirates are the most relevant so I think that’s who shanks went to talk about

Oda did say Kidd would become an important character and it’s possible that ties into the shanks plot line

 

[Worst]

Teach and Luffy are in Imu's PERSONAL HUNT list
I doubt Shanks need to raise awareness about them at all

Yea, if Shanks wanted to cause harm to Luffy he could just go and kill him himself lol no reason to involve the gorosei, the WG also know that Teach is a son of a B** and he would be too obvious, we know Shiki had this "little" plan that seems too similar to Kaido's

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and while it's also true that 20+ years have passed we don't know what this plan is all about, maybe it's happening right now!

 

[Jo_Ndule]

Tbh, I think the certain pirate is Luffy. And that's the huge plot twist about Shanks' character. I think its a huge red herring from Oda to get us to think its someone obvious like Blackbeard, but Luffy is the most left field choice because otherwise, why keep the "certain pirate" hidden from the conversation


Recall that Shanks only went to the Gorosei after he saw Luffys bounty. By this point nothing was happening with Weevil or Blackbeard or any other major pirate. Seriously, everything big from the Reverie happened AFTER Shanks went to see them.

Why would Shanks need gorosei to handle luffy?

Luffy is a punk
He's not like Teach

 

[Paperchampion23]

Why would Shanks need gorosei to handle luffy?

Luffy is a punk
He's not like Teach

The problem is you are thinking Shanks' conversation has to do with the Gorosei "handling" Luffy. We have no idea what the conversation was about, thats my point.

 

[Sadistic Senpai]

I read some exchanges in the latest anime episode's thread between users and I said to myself

What if Shanks went to talk about Shiki?

It's not coincidental that the Old Hag can turn into Young Shiki, Shiki attire also gives impressions that he might be from Wano.

My guess are that :
Shiki is a Kurozomi, which means his full name is Kurozomi Shiki
*look at Orochi and others, Kurozomi are always making plans ahead to stay alerted.
WB said that Shiki always has some hidden plans he wants to execute.
I believed He betrayed Xebec at God Valley, the guest to run away while WB and BM stayed a little while when xebec Lost.
Shanks was able to get some intels on Shiki whereabouts and plans, that's why he went to talk with Gorosei.

Shiki has been cunning and planning his moves for 22 years, I believe he can be involved in Wano plot soon or post Wano.

@Red Admiral @playa4321 @DarkWitch @ArturCantSpeakJapanese

Or What if the one backing the old woman is shiki?

 

[Jo_Ndule]

The problem is you are thinking Shanks' conversation has to do with the Gorosei "handling" Luffy. We have no idea what the conversation was about, thats my point.

It's the point
Shanks only goes to talk to people if he feels a threat

WB - Gorosei
Teach - Shiki

Imu and Gorosei do hunt Luffy already
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Or What if the one backing the old woman is shiki?

Which makes sense too

Maybe Shiki sent the old hag to get Kaido
Perhaps it's a combo plan where WG backed Old hag via CP0 and Shiki helped Old hag get Kaido's reinforcement as @ArturCantSpeakJapanese wrote

 

[Paperchampion23]

It's the point
Shanks only goes to talk to people if he feels a threat

You are basing this on one example with Ace and Blackbeard lol. A pattern could be implied by 2 or more examples. A trend has to be 3. Right now you only have 1 example to make this claim.

 

[Jo_Ndule]

You are basing this on one example with Ace and Blackbeard lol. A pattern could be implied by 2 or more examples. A trend has to be 3. Right now you only have 1 example to make this claim.

No ,
Luffy has no actual link with WG, he's not trying to overrun WG and rule the world
You know who does? Shiki

Luffy only fights WG when his friends are in danger in their hands

Teach was plotting to overtake WB position
Shiki was plotting to overthrow WG and be king of the world

 

[Salah WG]

Rocks Warning
Im-Sama Return
Kaido-BM Alliance
Shanks meeting Gorosei
Rocks Story

All of these happened around the same time
It's obvious who Shanks was talking about, it was Rocks D. Xebec!

When Shanks wanted to warn about Teach, did he visit WG? Of course not, he Visited WB instead
So logically, the reason Shanks went to talk to Gorosei was to warn them about someone among them & that is Rocks D. Xebec

Im-Sama is obviously Rocks D. Xebec imo

 

[Finalbeta]

Shiki's return is not a non feasible scenario, it depends on how intrinsic importance Oda wants to lend the character since we can very well do without his return, on the other hand his return could constitute a superb event if well programmed.