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What is vista bounty will be?


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#21
Higher than Cracker and even Smoothie, probably. Shanks is said to have the most balanced crew among the Yonko. Kaido's top-3 has bounties>/= a billion, so the same should apply to Shanks' crew. Yasopp is Shanks' top-3 and he has a rivalry going on with Vista, so Vista is likely to have a bounty near a billion.
Vista doesn't have a rivalry with Yasopp? They just dislike each other due to something we don't know about

And Vista isn't a part of WB's top three

Marco, Ace and Jozu

It's possible Vista isn't even part of the top four, we just don't know how strong Thatch was
 
#23
So vista being able to clash with atleast an admiral level character, also fought against roger pirates when younger he only gets 510-550m bounty makes sense
Ace was also able to clash with Akainu. Sabo clashed with Fujitora and had an extended fight with him and he’s only around 600 million
 

Gol D. Roger

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#27
Vista doesn't have a rivalry with Yasopp? They just dislike each other due to something we don't know about

And Vista isn't a part of WB's top three

Marco, Ace and Jozu

It's possible Vista isn't even part of the top four, we just don't know how strong Thatch was
Ace was never WB's number 3. Sure, he was treated differently because he was special, but he was never highlighted as WB's number 3. And Thatch too was never particularly highlighted to be a top fighter, so there is no point in bringing him up. Everyone in their crew was against Ace taking on pre-GGnM BB while Marco confidently sends Vista to stall Mihawk knowing full well who Mihawk is. Ace wasn't even ready for a top-commander level guy, forget about a top-tier. This is further cemented by the fact that Sabo, his equal, couldn't hold a candle against Fujitora, who's likely weaker than Mihawk, with a two-year advantage over Ace.

It's not a coincidence that Vista happened to have a negative relationship with Shanks' number-3. Their relationship was termed as a "fateful connection," so it goes deeper than "Oh, they just hate each other."
 
#29
Ace was never WB's number 3. Sure, he was treated differently because he was special, but he was never highlighted as WB's number 3. And Thatch too was never particularly highlighted to be a top fighter, so there is no point in bringing him up. Everyone in their crew was against Ace taking on pre-GGnM BB while Marco confidently sends Vista to stall Mihawk knowing full well who Mihawk is. Ace wasn't even ready for a top-commander level guy, forget about a top-tier. This is further cemented by the fact that Sabo, his equal, couldn't hold a candle against Fujitora, who's likely weaker than Mihawk, with a two-year advantage over Ace.

It's not a coincidence that Vista happened to have a negative relationship with Shanks' number-3. Their relationship was termed as a "fateful connection," so it goes deeper than "Oh, they just hate each other."
The Vista vs Mihawk thing isn't valid, it goes one of two ways
  • Either Mihawk wasn't trying at all
  • Or Mihawk is garbage
That's it, there's no scenario where it's a portrayal win for Vista

Ace has superior feats than Vista in the manga and arguably better feats than Marco from the novel, if we consider the Boichi chapters as well then Ace is defacto the second strongest in the crew behind Whitebeard.

Vista was introduced alongside the irrelevant commanders
But there's zero indication they're rivals like Shanks and Mihawk were rivals or like Roger and Garp were rivals, all we know is that they appear to not like each other, that's hardly evidence that Vista is comparable to Yasopp.
 

Gol D. Roger

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#31
The Vista vs Mihawk thing isn't valid, it goes one of two ways
  • Either Mihawk wasn't trying at all
  • Or Mihawk is garbage
That's it, there's no scenario where it's a portrayal win for Vista

Ace has superior feats than Vista in the manga and arguably better feats than Marco from the novel, if we consider the Boichi chapters as well then Ace is defacto the second strongest in the crew behind Whitebeard.

Vista was introduced alongside the irrelevant commanders
But there's zero indication they're rivals like Shanks and Mihawk were rivals or like Roger and Garp were rivals, all we know is that they appear to not like each other, that's hardly evidence that Vista is comparable to Yasopp.
I don't see why Vista can't be a YC3 in both scenarios. Zoro is beyond YC1 territory and yet he's not ready for Mihawk, meaning Mihawk can't be below YC1 level. So if Mihawk was going all out on Vista, then Vista is strong enough to fight on equal grounds with a YC1+ level guy. And in the event that Mihawk is as strong as he is implied to be i.e., a full-fledged top-tier, and if he was holding back to fight on Vista's level, I don't see how that prevents Vista from being YC3.

Mihawk can regulate his power enough to be able to fight at East Blue Zoro, MF Luffy level, and top-tier level, so I don't see why he can't fight at Vista level even if he's YC3. Besides, none of what you said changes anything about Marco's confidence in Vista's ability to stall Mihawk while everyone including WB was against Ace fighting BB.

Ace has more feats than Marco and others because we saw him go all out. However, Marco and others proved themselves to be capable of making top-tiers take them seriously while Ace's equal with Ace's powers struggled just to make an admiral take him seriously—And this is Sabo after TS. Ace was probably stronger than Sabo before TS, but there is no way he's stronger than post-skip Sabo.
 
#32
Around Jack‘s. Either just below or just above. Below for not being as violent as Jack, or above for being an experienced pirate while Jack’s quite young.
 

ZenZu

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#34
Ace was never WB's number 3. Sure, he was treated differently because he was special, but he was never highlighted as WB's number 3. And Thatch too was never particularly highlighted to be a top fighter, so there is no point in bringing him up. Everyone in their crew was against Ace taking on pre-GGnM BB while Marco confidently sends Vista to stall Mihawk knowing full well who Mihawk is. Ace wasn't even ready for a top-commander level guy, forget about a top-tier. This is further cemented by the fact that Sabo, his equal, couldn't hold a candle against Fujitora, who's likely weaker than Mihawk, with a two-year advantage over Ace.

It's not a coincidence that Vista happened to have a negative relationship with Shanks' number-3. Their relationship was termed as a "fateful connection," so it goes deeper than "Oh, they just hate each other."
Ace held off Kuzan who was much more serious than Mihawk was.

Mihawk was fighting down to his level. The dude capped out at Daz Bonez in the war, he wasn't even willing to put effort to stop Crocodile because he passed the strength threshold. Crocodile effectively stopped him from chasing Luffy when Daz couldn't.

Vista never got consistent portrayal beside Jozu and Marco. Those 2 always had their own portrayal as the top 2 commanders while Vista was at times lumped in with the rest. Sure he was the strongest aside from them in the war. But Ace was unavailable, Thatch dead. The only time he even got a lick of shine beside Marco was because Jozu was incapacitated.

So while it's clear Vista is above anyone not named Jozu and Marco in the MF war lineup. It's also clear Jozu is much closer to Marco, than Vista is to Jozu, and it's unclear if Vista would be stronger than Ace or Thatch.
 
#37
I love how everyone is giving vista a low bounty so that they can trash mihawk for it since he postponed. Wait till we see mihawks bounty.
 
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