Speculations What is Vista bounty will be ?
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Ace was never WB's number 3. Sure, he was treated differently because he was special, but he was never highlighted as WB's number 3. And Thatch too was never particularly highlighted to be a top fighter, so there is no point in bringing him up. Everyone in their crew was against Ace taking on pre-GGnM BB while Marco confidently sends Vista to stall Mihawk knowing full well who Mihawk is. Ace wasn't even ready for a top-commander level guy, forget about a top-tier. This is further cemented by the fact that Sabo, his equal, couldn't hold a candle against Fujitora, who's likely weaker than Mihawk, with a two-year advantage over Ace.
It's not a coincidence that Vista happened to have a negative relationship with Shanks' number-3. Their relationship was termed as a "fateful connection," so it goes deeper than "Oh, they just hate each other."
It's not a coincidence that Vista happened to have a negative relationship with Shanks' number-3. Their relationship was termed as a "fateful connection," so it goes deeper than "Oh, they just hate each other."
The Vista vs Mihawk thing isn't valid, it goes one of two ways
Ace has superior feats than Vista in the manga and arguably better feats than Marco from the novel, if we consider the Boichi chapters as well then Ace is defacto the second strongest in the crew behind Whitebeard.
Vista was introduced alongside the irrelevant commanders
But there's zero indication they're rivals like Shanks and Mihawk were rivals or like Roger and Garp were rivals, all we know is that they appear to not like each other, that's hardly evidence that Vista is comparable to Yasopp.
- Either Mihawk wasn't trying at all
- Or Mihawk is garbage
Ace has superior feats than Vista in the manga and arguably better feats than Marco from the novel, if we consider the Boichi chapters as well then Ace is defacto the second strongest in the crew behind Whitebeard.
Vista was introduced alongside the irrelevant commanders
The Vista vs Mihawk thing isn't valid, it goes one of two ways
Ace has superior feats than Vista in the manga and arguably better feats than Marco from the novel, if we consider the Boichi chapters as well then Ace is defacto the second strongest in the crew behind Whitebeard.
Vista was introduced alongside the irrelevant commanders
But there's zero indication they're rivals like Shanks and Mihawk were rivals or like Roger and Garp were rivals, all we know is that they appear to not like each other, that's hardly evidence that Vista is comparable to Yasopp.
- Either Mihawk wasn't trying at all
- Or Mihawk is garbage
Ace has superior feats than Vista in the manga and arguably better feats than Marco from the novel, if we consider the Boichi chapters as well then Ace is defacto the second strongest in the crew behind Whitebeard.
Vista was introduced alongside the irrelevant commanders
Mihawk can regulate his power enough to be able to fight at East Blue Zoro, MF Luffy level, and top-tier level, so I don't see why he can't fight at Vista level even if he's YC3. Besides, none of what you said changes anything about Marco's confidence in Vista's ability to stall Mihawk while everyone including WB was against Ace fighting BB.
Ace has more feats than Marco and others because we saw him go all out. However, Marco and others proved themselves to be capable of making top-tiers take them seriously while Ace's equal with Ace's powers struggled just to make an admiral take him seriously—And this is Sabo after TS. Ace was probably stronger than Sabo before TS, but there is no way he's stronger than post-skip Sabo.
Ace held off Kuzan who was much more serious than Mihawk was.
Mihawk was fighting down to his level. The dude capped out at Daz Bonez in the war, he wasn't even willing to put effort to stop Crocodile because he passed the strength threshold. Crocodile effectively stopped him from chasing Luffy when Daz couldn't.
Vista never got consistent portrayal beside Jozu and Marco. Those 2 always had their own portrayal as the top 2 commanders while Vista was at times lumped in with the rest. Sure he was the strongest aside from them in the war. But Ace was unavailable, Thatch dead. The only time he even got a lick of shine beside Marco was because Jozu was incapacitated.
So while it's clear Vista is above anyone not named Jozu and Marco in the MF war lineup. It's also clear Jozu is much closer to Marco, than Vista is to Jozu, and it's unclear if Vista would be stronger than Ace or Thatch.
Mihawk was fighting down to his level. The dude capped out at Daz Bonez in the war, he wasn't even willing to put effort to stop Crocodile because he passed the strength threshold. Crocodile effectively stopped him from chasing Luffy when Daz couldn't.
Vista never got consistent portrayal beside Jozu and Marco. Those 2 always had their own portrayal as the top 2 commanders while Vista was at times lumped in with the rest. Sure he was the strongest aside from them in the war. But Ace was unavailable, Thatch dead. The only time he even got a lick of shine beside Marco was because Jozu was incapacitated.
So while it's clear Vista is above anyone not named Jozu and Marco in the MF war lineup. It's also clear Jozu is much closer to Marco, than Vista is to Jozu, and it's unclear if Vista would be stronger than Ace or Thatch.
