Speculations What kind of development are you expecting for Akainu?

#41
If Sengoku was as extreme as Akainu, he would not tolerate Garp.

Garp and Kizaru are not remotely equivalent in their conduct. The only they thing they have in common, loosely, is that they're somewhat unorthodox. Kizaru is much more of a company man.
You realize Akainu’s comparison to sengoku is the relationship with him and Kizaru right?

Kizaru is Akainu’s bro
Garp was Sengoku’s bro

Garp and Kizaru aren’t the same characters but you aren’t looking at the right thing , it’s a parallel between the Boss and the closest guy aka (right hand man)

They’ll both be willing to tolerate their bros despite rules being broken, Sengoku isn’t exactly Akainu but he’s similar to him.

Garp also hadn’t broken much rules either , same with Kizaru, but they both had to be tolerated by the fleet admiral with no consequences happening to them.

you aren’t even looking at the parallel you’re literally just differing the specific characters.
 
#42
Well , Justice has a price sometimes

and Akainu probably doesn’t actually think what he’s doing is “good”
Rather he thinks that’ he is “right”

I’m sure he himself acknowledges that he is extreme and probably thinks that the deed was evil but the most focused aspect is it being “right” or “wrong”
Not in a sense of good or bad , but in a sense of getting your job done and ensuring it’s done.

Sengoku same thing, doesn’t matter wether it’s evil or not , as long as the job is done and the accomplishment is secured even further that’s the “right” thing in their perspective
What differentiate Sengoku and Akainu, in my opinion, is that Akainu can do anything to achieve what he believes is right. While Sengoku doesnt seem to believe some of his decisions is right (influenced by WG). But Sengoku still do that, even not believing is right because he has no courage to go against WG
 
#43
What differentiate Sengoku and Akainu, in my opinion, is that Akainu can do anything to achieve what he believes is right. While Sengoku doesnt seem to believe some of his decisions is right (influenced by WG). But Sengoku still do that, even not believing is right because he has no courage to go against WG
Fair enough, but I don't think the issue is courage. Sengoku genuinely thinks the marines are a generally positive force,so he overlooks the more corrupt aspects
 
#44
They both tolerate Garp. This is probably a question for why the Gorosei tolerate him tbh. God valley is a huge deal
Akainu has no choice but to tolerate the Hero of the Marines after decades of normalisation.

To do anything about it would be more trouble than it's worth, especially given the fact he's only had a couple of years on job.

As for why the Gorosei tolerate him, they know Garp is the type of piece of shit that will choose World Government over his family. He did it with his son. He did it with grandson, when he stood by as they humiliated and murdered him, only half assing a response after it was already too late.

Garp is a useful piece of shit. Why get rid of someone who has proven his loyalty lies with them even at the cost of his own babies? That's the kind of lowly animal Garp is. Akainu knows this too.
 
#47
What differentiate Sengoku and Akainu, in my opinion, is that Akainu can do anything to achieve what he believes is right. While Sengoku doesnt seem to believe some of his decisions is right (influenced by WG). But Sengoku still do that, even not believing is right because he has no courage to go against WG
Sengoku might probably be even more extreme against pirates as well , in MF Akainu said all pirates are free to leave if they hand Luffy over

Sengoku wanted to kill Ace , Luffy , Whitebeard and crush all the whitebeard pirates
 
#51
Sengoku might probably be even more extreme against pirates as well , in MF Akainu said all pirates are free to leave if they hand Luffy over

Sengoku wanted to kill Ace , Luffy , Whitebeard and crush all the whitebeard pirates
People just overlook alot of nuance with akainus character boiling him to pirate hater nr. 1


Its just like that deserter scene. People ignore the fact first world countries had deserter death penalties still in ww2, lmao. One piece world and military being clearly modeled before that era. As if the most inhuman thing that someone in the military would do
 
#52
Sengoku might probably be even more extreme against pirates as well , in MF Akainu said all pirates are free to leave if they hand Luffy over

Sengoku wanted to kill Ace , Luffy , Whitebeard and crush all the whitebeard pirates
He really is as against pirates as Akainu. But look, he wouldn't do anything for achieve that. In a lot of moments you can see he cares about the soldiers (when he confronted Akainu during Wano arc), he even seems (to me) relieved when Shanks arrived, because then he could stop the war.

Meanwhile Akainu is a person who is extreme with his soldiers.

Another difference btw them is that Sengoku seems to be more diplomatic than Akainu
 
#53
You realize Akainu’s comparison to sengoku is the relationship with him and Kizaru right?

Kizaru is Akainu’s bro
Garp was Sengoku’s bro

Garp and Kizaru aren’t the same characters but you aren’t looking at the right thing , it’s a parallel between the Boss and the closest guy aka (right hand man)

They’ll both be willing to tolerate their bros despite rules being broken, Sengoku isn’t exactly Akainu but he’s similar to him.

Garp also hadn’t broken much rules either , same with Kizaru, but they both had to be tolerated by the fleet admiral with no consequences happening to them.

you aren’t even looking at the parallel you’re literally just differing the specific characters.
This is you injecting a lot of headcanon into the dynamic and expecting me to see it the same way.

Degrees matter. Garp is much more insubordinate than Kizaru, that is not a matter of debate, that's just what it is.

Kizaru is a true believer, just not as much as Akainu, but enough to tolerate his eccentricities. What rules is Akainu even aware of Kizaru breaking?

Garp's rulebreaking isn't the issue so much as the attitude he has and the threat he poses by spreading that to others. Kizaru doesn't match his legend or reputation. He isn't raising future generations of Marines. The most Akainu has to put up with - to his knowledge - is the guy being a little annoying.
 
#54
Akainu has no choice but to tolerate the Hero of the Marines after decades of normalisation.
As for why the Gorosei tolerate him, they know Garp is the type of piece of shit that will choose World Government over his family. He did it with his son. He did it with grandson, when he stood by as they humiliated and murdered him, only half assing a response after it was already too late.

Garp is a useful piece of shit. Why get rid of someone who has proven his loyalty lies with them even at the cost of his own babies? That's the kind of lowly animal Garp is. Akainu knows this too.
Not really lol. You do realize he let Luffy go at w7 right? He even let Luffy punch him at marineford. You could very easily try him for treason for that alone
 
#55
((Changing the topic)) Since we are talking about navy, I think Oda already answered what is Kuzan goal: find the one piece (thats why he is in that panel of OP contenders). He said to Smoker he didnt change, so he still believe in the lazy justice. I think Kuzan believes that in the possess of the one piece he can change the navy and even the world to a be a place where the lazy justice will rule

@Kurozumi Wiwi
 
#57
Not really lol. You do realize he let Luffy go at w7 right? He even let Luffy punch him at marineford. You could very easily try him for treason for that alone
He didn't have to choose between the World Government and Luffy. He had every license to let them go.

The point is, when it came down to it, he chose the WG over his own family twice.

Ace's death changed him, but too little too late.
 
#58
Akainu's past is clearly connected with Dragon's.


1) First of all, the fact that in Marineford Akainu himself had manifested an almost... fixation for Luffy as "Dragon's son", continuing to address him in this way, unique among all, for the entire saga:








A fixation that even led him to prefer him, Luffy, son of Dragon, over Ace, son of Roger, the fulcrum and objective of the entire Marineford War:



This detail tends to go unnoticed, but Akainu preferred Luffy over Ace; Ace dies only because he is the one who gets in the way, thus saving Luffy.


2) This fixation of Akainu for Dragon has led many to raise an eyebrow and try to understand where the two, the marine and the man that even his subordinates seem not to know, could have met ... and the answer was: in the Navy.



Garp had repeatedly shown his desire to raise future Marines; among many:







Everything pointed to him having done the same with his son, Dragon. Well, five hundred chapters later this thing has finally been confirmed:







Dragon was actually a marine when he was young.



3) Now, given that Dragon was actually a marine and that Akainu seems to have a strange obsession for him, even in front of Roger's son (to whom, as mentioned, he "prefers" Dragon's son), when could this meeting have happened?



Well, it's soon said: the two, curiously, but not that much, are the same age; 55 years old.



We know that Akainu joined the Navy 32 years ago, at the age of 23, and since Dragon is the same age, he could have done the same. This coincides with a Dragon who during the events of Ohara, 22 years ago, was no longer part of the Navy. But this does not create any problem, having hypothetically joined at least ten years before those events.






4) The similarities do not end here:



- not only are the two of them the same age;



- not only are they, as seen, somehow both connected to the events of Ohara, but;



- with the post-TS they have assumed similar positions: both are at the head of their respective organizations, Akainu of the Navy and Dragon of the Revolutionaries;



- now that we have discovered that Akainu's bounty is 5 billion, we can also draw a parallel with that of Dragon who, as he was known as the "worst criminal in the world" when BB was still alive, should also have a bounty of at least 5 billion:



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- there is another potential parallel that I would like to draw attention to: both seem to be placed in fierce opposition to one of the "legends" of the OP world, original or "reborn":


Akainu is in opposition to Luffy, the new Joy Boy, whose brother he killed and to whom, in trying to kill him, he procured a huge scar on the chest in a manga where scars bind the destinies of the characters:








Dragon, instead, he is clearly placed in a relationship of radical opposition to Imu, his goal being the fall of the World Government and the Celestial Dragons in particular and Imu being the first and darkest foundation, as well as the true leader, of the GM and true "King" of the Celestial Dragons:






To recap:



1. Akainu showed MF an unusual and even excessive obsession with Dragon;

2. we had confirmation that Dragon and Akainu were both in the Navy;

3. Dragon and Akainu are the same age, which in addition to being one of those little connection indices that Oda likes, like heights, makes it even more likely that they served together and therefore met;

4. they are both linked to Ohara: one as an integral part of the events, one instead as the place that led him to decide to definitively fight the WG;

5. they both have the "same" position: leaders of their respective forces;

6. they probably have a very similar size, in both cases at the level of 5 billion;

7. They both appear to be in an oppositional relationship with the "legends" of the OP world: Akainu with Joy Boy (reborn); Dragon with Imu, King of the world and supreme leader of the Dragons.
 
#59
From my knowledge of their inspirations, Akainu seems to be heavily based on Shozo Hirono, Bunta Sugawara's character from Battles Without Honour and Humanity.

I haven't watched that movie but iirc in it, Hirono is a Yakuza member who was tricked into attempting the murder of his friend and later turned against his boss.

Akainu IMO will follow a similar pattern:
- Was bros with Dragon and Kizaru
- Dragon found some WG secret that caused him to turn revolutionary and become persona non grata to the Marines
- Akainu and probably Kizaru were brainwashed into believing that Dragon and his bloodline needed to be destroyed as they might end the world
- They basically become the Admiral equivalent of Reiner and Bertholdt from AOT with Akainu becoming an extremist and Kizaru a cog
- Akainu will find out about the WG's lies and turn on them at some point somehow.

What's interesting is Kizaru's role here as Kunie Tanaka's character was a a secret underboss to the main villain who betrayed Hirono in BWH, but Oda himself has said Kizaru was based on a different character named Borsalino 2. That said multiple inspirations are possible, so it's hard to say.

Personally I think Akainu and Kizaru's character songs give an indication as to their true natures - Akainu's sounds like an old anime protagonists and talks about how he must fulfil his duty to destroy pirates, while Kizaru's symbolised by the three monkeys (do, see and hear no evil) and talks about how he's just a simple guy with cool sunglasses who likes shrines and doing a good job.
 
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#60
There's been an interesting pattern with the original Admiral trio when it comes to their character development.

Aokiji was introduced from the start as someone who questioned his faith in the Marines by letting Robin live at Ohara, and not outright killing Saul. His decision at the end of EL to not capture Robin furthers that soft spot. Post-TS, he's broken free of the Admiral position and is no longer subservient to Mariejois' demands. Even if he still might be an undercover SWORD agent, there's a clear story of defection from his rank.

Kizaru had his duty completely turned upside its head when he was forced to kill Vegapunk. His entire performance at Egghead was full of half-committals and mixed emotions, showing that there's still a human side underneath his unbothered/easygoing personality. Kizaru's inner-conflict might not result in a defection, but it definitely challenged him and broke down a character who was always portrayed as coolheaded.

So, what arc are you expecting for Akainu? Is he too committed to his ideals to defect? Too ruthless to actually change? We've seen him murder defecting Marines and sink the fleeing ships at Ohara, both pretty violent and brutal acts when compared to the other 2 admirals. We've also seen Oda draw him nursing a Bonsai tree in a cover page, and if Hibari does turn out to be his daughter, he has a basic capability of empathy in that he allowed her to resign and join SWORD. I'm genuinely interested in seeing how he'll be handled, since the brief characterizations of the other trio have been some of the most impactful in the series despite how infrequent the admirals actually show up. There is zero doubt in my mind that Akainu won't get the same treatment.

Explain his goals, why he hates pirates so much, why he is angry all the time and what he will chose do to once he figures out there is nothing good about the celestial dragons. I would love to see Sakazuki going Rogue.
 
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