Speculations What made Orochi betray Oden?

[stealthblack]

He never liked him in the first place.

 

[Finalbeta]

In the end if you underestimate orochi like oden and yasu you will end up boiled alive and shot full of holes. His looks may be stupid but he is one smart and tricky asshole

Yeah but Oden is definitely more powerful xd

 

[soultrain]

you idiot oden called him a creep. Orochi takes that shit seriously and don't let anyone push him around so he made oden pay for calling him a creep.

so? i don't get why that makes me an idiot. If he punishes someone so badly for calling him a creep, means he already has a rotten personality before that, which is the point I was trying to make.

 

[Desolate Smaug]

Orochi played the Game of Thrones and actually won. He is the little finger would want to become when he perfects his game. A low-level dude who outwits all the legendary and houses and ends up becoming the king.

 

[dirtyLarry]

I would guess that Orochi became shogun legitimately but got pissed off that people were more loyal to Oden than himself. He probably feared Oden would take his position away and sided with Kaido to keep it.

I fail to see how Orochi could legimately become shogun.
The Kozuki family were Wano's royalty and you could only legimately become shogun via heritage. It's not like there is an election or anything. The only possible scenario of him "legimately" becoming shogun is if Oden's father adopted that little weasel Orochi and the latter pulled a Stelly while Oden was voyaging with WB/Roger.

 

[Shura]

As things stand, It's not like Orochi is loyal retainer or some kind of servant to Oden for it to be really called betrayal....

 

[Garp the Fist]

As things stand, It's not like Orochi is loyal retainer or some kind of servant to Oden for it to be really called betrayal....

Yasu said that Orochi owed Oden everything he had. Think it's fair to assume that we'll see Oden take Orochi under his wing before Orochi stabs him in the back

 

[Shura]

Yasu said that Orochi owed Oden everything he had. Think it's fair to assume that we'll see Oden take Orochi under his wing before Orochi stabs him in the back

Besides Oden, I am more interested in Orochi development as a character

 

[Finalbeta]

Orochi's career is what I want to know about more in detail

 

[Ice devil slayer]

Tfw when Kaido looks like a minor villain compared to Orochi

 

[Finalbeta]

Tfw when Kaido looks like a minor villain compared to Orochi

Guess Zoro will kill the strongest of the two tho :cheers:

 

[Chaves]

Envy.

 

[RiShin]

Occhi wanted to be the shogun ever since he was a servant. So he is a cunning bastard who found the opportunity to work together with Kaido to take over Wano and get rid of Oden.

 

[Dark Hound]

you idiot oden called him a creep. Orochi takes that shit seriously and don't let anyone push him around so he made oden pay for calling him a creep.

He didn't say "he is a creep"
He said Orochi was creeping on him. Which is probably true
Get your facts straight

 

[dirtyLarry]

Tfw when Kaido looks like a minor villain compared to Orochi

Kaido is the muscle, but Orochi is the brain.
In a way the latter is more frightening (at least to me). I hope Oda actually flashes Kaido a bit more out, too. So far we know he is a villain of course, but it's not like we are really emotionally invested in him. With Orochi it's different.

 

[Inspector_Mu]

Kaido is the muscle, but Orochi is the brain.
In a way the latter is more frightening (at least to me). I hope Oda actually flashes Kaido a bit more out, too. So far we know he is a villain of course, but it's not like we are really emotionally invested in him. With Orochi it's different.

Has Oda even built an emperor being the brain? except BM when she isnt craze
Also Teach.

Kaido WB arent the Brian type to make plans and that
Shanks I think he is the brain type.

Orochi is the villain falling first too so Oda is fleshing him out coz his ending is coming
While kaido will fall later on in the arc

 

[Ice devil slayer]

Kaido is the muscle, but Orochi is the brain.
In a way the latter is more frightening (at least to me). I hope Oda actually flashes Kaido a bit more out, too. So far we know he is a villain of course, but it's not like we are really emotionally invested in him. With Orochi it's different.

I agree here..cause atm i'm more interested in seeing Orochi's defeat

This dude cause so much troubles etc and the whole arc atm seems to be about defeating him .

Well until kaido takes over that's it
Hopefully he's a generic villain

 

[KiriNigiri]

Orochi is still bumbling and foolish. I think some have gone a bit overboard with how Machiavellian he is. So far, there's lots of secrets he doesn't know, and the ones he does know were relayed to him by a third party. Sure, he formulated the plan based on the info he received, but it still translates to only half the job getting done. And we've yet to see the true results of it.

Imo, Orochi is but an opportunist. He strikes any chance he has at more power. He doesn't know the meaning of loyalty or principles. It's why he live a hedonistic life as Shogun, and expects everything handed to him on a silver platter. And when things go wrong, he runs behind his muscles like Kaido or Kyoshiro. Never taking responsibility like a good leader should.

 

[comrade]

Oden got the fame and the pussies. Orochi was jealous.

 

[Cyrus the Cactus]

Has Oda even built an emperor being the brain? except BM when she isnt craze
Also Teach.

Kaido WB arent the Brian type to make plans and that
Shanks I think he is the brain type.

Orochi is the villain falling first too so Oda is fleshing him out coz his ending is coming
While kaido will fall later on in the arc

WB's main Marine rival was the great tactician Sengoku. Sengoku and WB were playing Chess in the Marineford Plaza before entering the fray themselves.