General & Others What Oda did to Law was really bad. He did him dirty.

[Herrera95]

Obviously, I'm a Zoro fan. What Zoro did on the rooftop is insane, he was easily the MVP of the rooftop. I'm very satisfied and pleased with his performance, and even if he doesn't come back, which is still a possibility, I'll still be satisfied.

But what about Law?
He's my second favorite character in One Piece. I really think Oda did him dirty for the sake of giving Luffy a 1vs1 fight. We haven't seen anything from him.
- Law has the same potential as Luffy, Kid, and Zoro.
- He's a captain.
- He is the third most popular character in OP after Luffy and Zoro. He is more famous than Kid and even Sanji.
- He's been with the straw hats since Punk Hazard.
- He was the true mastermind behind the plan of taking down Kaido.
- He was still doing okay when he left the rooftop.

Even Kid is going to fight Big Meme (though I think he will lose eventually), but he is still gonna fight her.

Zoro was the MVP no doubt it. But you aren't a true fan if you are satisfied with this. Enma is clearly nerfing him. With Shusui Kaido would be dead already.

Law was kind of a joke when fight began throwing useless rocks on Kaido but at the end he was impressive. Law don't have the same potential as the other's. For me looks likes he is already at his prime. Of course he can have an awakening and go beyond. He manage to tank Kaido attack and not get knocked out. That is impressive even using that curtain thing.

You are assuming that Law is more famous than Kid. Oda didn't showed much of Kid but his feats are better. He went to BM territory and get out unharmed. He faced Shanks crew and just paid with his arm. He is still alive after facing Kaido. Law biggest feat was losing an arm to Doffy before Wano.

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oda removed law from the roof because he knows law would outshine luffy.

lol at their are too heavy to teleport, now oda makes aspuls rules to nerf him

Oda never nerfed Law. Since Punk Hazard was stated that haki counters his DF. Law had better haki than Vergo then cut him.

 

[Monster Luffy]

With Shusui Kaido would be dead already.

 

[Finalbeta]

Enma is most likely merely a training tool anyway. Hiyori asked Shusui back for its majestic relevance as national treasure, and Oda presumably wants Zoro to make 3 black blades.

 

[Rushwheel]

"What Oda did to Law was really bad. He did him dirty."

I can see where are you coming from and partially feel the same. But that's fine I guess because Wano arc isn't focusing on Law like PH and Dressrosa did and he just can't have feats better than characters who got the main focus there (Luffy, Zoro). I more disappointed with the fact that Law started all this mess with Kaido way back at PH but got discarded from facing him pretty fast and in a very non-satisfying manner. Oda could've handled it better than just "ok I'll go down then, bye", that felt underwhelming.
Anyway, Law would probably get a bigger focus in the next arc because of the D plot, hunting for the poneglyphs, Mary Geoise treasure - all of this is related to Law's character in one way or another.
And if he's going to die closer to the end like some people believe... that's guarantees a lot of focus on him as well. I personally prefer him to stay alive and kicking though

 

[Herrera95]

"What Oda did to Law was really bad. He did him dirty."

I can see where are you coming from and partially feel the same. But that's fine I guess because Wano arc isn't focusing on Law like PH and Dressrosa did and he just can't have feats better than characters who got the main focus there (Luffy, Zoro). I more disappointed with the fact that Law started all this mess with Kaido way back at PH but got discarded from facing him pretty fast and in a very non-satisfying manner. Oda could've handled it better than just "ok I'll go down then, bye", that felt underwhelming.
Anyway, Law would probably get a bigger focus in the next arc because of the D plot, hunting for the poneglyphs, Mary Geoise treasure - all of this is related to Law's character in one way or another.
And if he's going to die closer to the end like some people believe... that's guarantees a lot of focus on him as well. I personally prefer him to stay alive and kicking though

Dude, Law never thought he would beat Doflamingo and face Kaido. He initial plan was to make Kaido beat Doflamingo.
After Dressrosa until Onigashima Law had no objective. He could just left Mugiwaras and do whatever he wanted. I believed Law would die before that panel with poneglyph since he had no reason in life anymore.
In my perspective Oda changed Law a lot. From a merciless pirate to someone so much loyal to Luffy...

 

[Master OF Haki]

I really think Oda did him dirty for the sake of giving Luffy a 1vs1 fight.

Really, do you really think that Oda did that because of Luffy's 1v1?

Then let me open your eyes, pal. Oda did Law dirty because of Zoro and only Zoro, ok!
The entire fucking rooftop fight was created to hype Zoro and spiceficly Zoro; Oda needed characters that could make Zoro look good in comparison to him. Oda obviously can't do that to Luffy since Luffy is the MC himself, he can't use poor Sanji ether since Sanji has been ripped apart in WCI, so who we've got then? Well the answer is Kid and Law: Kid and Law are the sacrificial material for Oda/Zoro. Let me ask you this; what did Kid and Law do in the rooftop fight? The answer is nothing, and do you know why? Because Zoro was fucking doing all the work. If Law did something meaningful in the fight then we would have "Zoro vs Law" debates all over the place, and it's not happening because Oda doesn't want it to happen. Oda wants Zoro to dominate Law, Oda wants Zoro to make Law look like a trash, Oda wants Law to be Zoro's bitch. Oda wants you to love only Zoro, every other supernova simply exist to make Zoro look good in comparison, he wants Zoro to dominate all of them so that you can love and go crazy only about Zoro. In Oda's mind there's no room for Zoro and Law, it's only Zoro, Zoro and only Zoro. So you my friend, you better love Zoro more cuz Oda thinks Law is trash.

 

[nik87]

Really, do you really think that Oda did that because of Luffy's 1v1?

Then let me open your eyes, pal. Oda did Law dirty because of Zoro and only Zoro, ok!
The entire fucking rooftop fight was created to hype Zoro and spiceficly Zoro; Oda needed characters that could make Zoro look good in comparison to him. Oda obviously can't do that to Luffy since Luffy is the MC himself, he can't use poor Sanji ether since Sanji has been ripped apart in WCI, so who we've got then? Well the answer is Kid and Law: Kid and Law are the sacrificial material for Oda/Zoro. Let me ask you this; what did Kid and Law do in the rooftop fight? The answer is nothing, and do you know why? Because Zoro was fucking doing all the work. If Law did something meaningful in the fight then we would have "Zoro vs Law" debates all over the place, and it's not happening because Oda doesn't want it to happen. Oda wants Zoro to dominate Law, Oda wants Zoro to make Law look like a trash, Oda wants Law to be Zoro's bitch. Oda wants you to love only Zoro, every other supernova simply exist to make Zoro look good in comparison, he wants Zoro to dominate all of them so that you can love and go crazy only about Zoro. In Oda's mind there's no room for Zoro and Law, it's only Zoro, Zoro and only Zoro. So you my friend, you better love Zoro more cuz Oda thinks Law is trash.

It seems like Oda wants to make 2 Emperors look bad compared to Zoro.
Zoro has nothing to do with shafting Law which is bcs of Luffy since he did nothing in the whole arc.

 

[Rushwheel]

Dude, Law never thought he would beat Doflamingo and face Kaido. He initial plan was to make Kaido beat Doflamingo.

Eh, I know that? But his plan was perfectly thought through and valid tho? Even if his main target was Doflamingo taking away SMILE from Kaido/weakening his army through Doffy also helps Luffy's goals? And Law was the one who "broke the gears" and set everything into motion? That what I was talking about. He might thought he would die, but the plan to make Doflamingo and Kaido tear each other apart was valid and helping, he didn't bullshit Luffy on that. He basically gave the HS crew a direction.

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Really, do you really think that Oda did that because of Luffy's 1v1?

Then let me open your eyes, pal. Oda did Law dirty because of Zoro and only Zoro, ok!
The entire fucking rooftop fight was created to hype Zoro and spiceficly Zoro; Oda needed characters that could make Zoro look good in comparison to him. Oda obviously can't do that to Luffy since Luffy is the MC himself, he can't use poor Sanji ether since Sanji has been ripped apart in WCI, so who we've got then? Well the answer is Kid and Law: Kid and Law are the sacrificial material for Oda/Zoro. Let me ask you this; what did Kid and Law do in the rooftop fight? The answer is nothing, and do you know why? Because Zoro was fucking doing all the work. If Law did something meaningful in the fight then we would have "Zoro vs Law" debates all over the place, and it's not happening because Oda doesn't want it to happen. Oda wants Zoro to dominate Law, Oda wants Zoro to make Law look like a trash, Oda wants Law to be Zoro's bitch. Oda wants you to love only Zoro, every other supernova simply exist to make Zoro look good in comparison, he wants Zoro to dominate all of them so that you can love and go crazy only about Zoro. In Oda's mind there's no room for Zoro and Law, it's only Zoro, Zoro and only Zoro. So you my friend, you better love Zoro more cuz Oda thinks Law is trash.

I mean... in Dressrosa Zoro was running around with a "fairy", looking for his stolen swords and then fought Pica (lol) while Law was facing an admiral and the main villain of the arc multiply times. Did Oda want to make Zoro Law's bitch then? Because Zoro lost the popularity poll to Law back then during Dressrosa, I guess it worked xd. But the answer is no one is anyone's "bitch", Dressrosa was Law's arc while Wano is Zoro's. If you're not trolling I think you better calm down xd

 

[Herrera95]

Eh, I know that? But his plan was perfectly thought through and valid tho? Even if his main target was Doflamingo taking away SMILE from Kaido/weakening his army through Doffy also helps Luffy's goals? And Law was the one who "broke the gears" and set everything into motion? That what I was talking about. He might thought he would die, but the plan to make Doflamingo and Kaido tear each other apart was valid and helping, he didn't bullshit Luffy on that. He basically gave the HS crew a direction.

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I mean... in Dressrosa Zoro was running around with a "fairy", looking for his stolen swords and then fought Pica (lol) while Law was facing an admiral and the main villain of the arc multiply times. Did Oda want to make Zoro Law's bitch then? Because Zoro lost the popularity poll to Law back then during Dressrosa, I guess it worked xd. But the answer is no one is anyone's "bitch", Dressrosa was Law's arc while Wano is Zoro's. If you're not trolling I think you better calm down xd

Kid Alliance and All I betrayal helped Luffy's goal much more than Law breaking Smiles factories. Which is debatable for what is the reason Wano doesn't have one. Actually Luffy is only going after Kaido because of Law. Actually without Law Luffy would go after Big Mom with his whole crew that means Zoro and Jinbei would meet him there as he did and they would alliance with Bege with a stronger crew and would have actual chance of take her down right there.

 

[Rushwheel]

Kid Alliance and All I betrayal helped Luffy's goal much more than Law breaking Smiles factories. Which is debatable for what is the reason Wano doesn't have one. Actually Luffy is only going after Kaido because of Law. Actually without Law Luffy would go after Big Mom with his whole crew that means Zoro and Jinbei would meet him there as he did and they would alliance with Bege with a stronger crew and would have actual chance of take her down right there.

Why are turning this into a competition who contributed more, dude? Did you even read what I originally said?
Law started all this mess with Kaido way back at PH but got discarded from facing him pretty fast and in a very non-satisfying manner. Oda could've handled it better than just "ok I'll go down then, bye", that felt underwhelming.
Did Law start all this mess? He did. Did it piss Kaido off? Yes. I was talking about how I didn't like how Oda handled Law's reasoning to leave the roof. Where did I said anything about who deserves to be there more, or who did help Luffy more or something? What is this conversation even about? xd

 

[Herrera95]

Why are turning this into a competition who contributed more, dude? Did you even read what I originally said?
Law started all this mess with Kaido way back at PH but got discarded from facing him pretty fast and in a very non-satisfying manner. Oda could've handled it better than just "ok I'll go down then, bye", that felt underwhelming.
Did Law start all this mess? He did. Did it piss Kaido off? Yes. I was talking about how I didn't like how Oda handled Law's reasoning to leave the roof. Where did I said anything about who deserves to be there more, or who did help Luffy more or something? What is this conversation even about? xd

Let me tell you this. Kaido don't give a fuck about Law. Luffy beat Doffy not him. Luffy has Conqueror not him. Just like he didn't care about Killer but only Kid.
Again Law never believed he would ever face Kaido. Oda should maintain Law as his merciless pirate that he is and left alliance. He don't need to betray Luffy but only running away from Kaido.

 

[uyuu]

Law is always treated dirty since he can teleport. If only Law is portrayed as stronger than Luffy in the fight against Kaidou just before Luffy learns AdCoC, imo itll fit.

 

[Rushwheel]

Let me tell you this. Kaido don't give a fuck about Law. Luffy beat Doffy not him. Luffy has Conqueror not him. Just like he didn't care about Killer but only Kid.
Again Law never believed he would ever face Kaido. Oda should maintain Law as his merciless pirate that he is and left alliance. He don't need to betray Luffy but only running away from Kaido.

What does it have to do with my original message? Stop projecting, I don't care.

 

[Herrera95]

What does it have to do with my original message? Stop projecting, I don't care.

My point is that the Law issue comes way before that fight start. Law didn't had so much emotional development to be on this fight as Luffy and Kid. He is there because he have to not because he wants. So it literally doesn't matter what he does because he kind of shouldn't even be there in first place.

 

[Rushwheel]

My point is that the Law issue comes way before that fight start. Law didn't had so much emotional development to be on this fight as Luffy and Kid.

And again, did you miss the part where I said I didn't like how Oda handled his reasoning to leave the roof? Where did I said anything about emotional development or who is more deserving to be there? You made up an argument for me and now trying to prove me wrong, sounds about right.

He is there because he have to not because he wants.

Wdym? He is there exactly because he wants. He wants Kaido down because he wants the red poneglyph, that is his main goal. And defeating Kaido is the only way, just like the flashback with Robin said. His reasoning is more pragmatic than emotional, but it doesn't make it less valid.

 

[Herrera95]

And again, did you miss the part where I said I didn't like how Oda handled his reasoning to leave the roof? Where did I said anything about emotional development or who is more deserving to be there? You made up an argument for me and now trying to prove me wrong, sounds about right.

Wdym? He is there exactly because he wants. He wants Kaido down because he wants the red poneglyph, that is his main goal. And defeating Kaido is the only way, just like the flashback with Robin said. His reasoning is more pragmatic than emotional, but it doesn't make it less valid.

Like I said, Oda doesn't need a good reason for removing Law from rooftop because he didn't even had a good reason to be there at first place. Is that hard to understand that?

Also, Oda reason is only fanservice from giving Luffy disgusting plot armor, x1 with Kaido and put him at Yonko level already.
Law made up his reason right now at Onigashima, after Doffy defeat he was without any reason. And the issue with his crew being arrested made a possible betrayl scenario. Law doesn't need to beat Kaido to find the poneglyph. He found that blue one without beating him, inside his island.
Why the hell Law thinks he can beat Kaido now but didn't fought with Luffy back then at Wano?

 

[BleakAsh]

thats the issue
a great support
people want a leading heavy hitter
not that.

he's infamous for his characterization and ingenuity... not his strength. his versatility and brains are his strength in a sense.. he was introduced as a highly intellectual character..

brute strength is not the essence of his character in the first so expecting such is just asking to change the who Law is.

 

[ShishioIsBack]

fixed

Not really fixed because you still have Kidd in there

 

[Ballel]

Law saved Zoro's fodder ass at least several times on the roof, and while Zoro was puffing, Law wasn't. Zoro even begged for Law's help to teleport him at some point.

Law isn't finished, Zoro is finished. Law again saved Zoro's ass and teleported him and Zeus at the same time. Law ended the fight stronger than Zoro. While Zoro did more damage to Kaido, Zoro still couldn't do that without Law's help.

This also debunked the nonsense that Zoro was equal to Law without Enma, Zoro would be absolutely fodder at the rooftop if he didn't have Enma, while Law didn't even get any huge upgrade between Dressrosa and Wano.

Plus, you can't make him both D. and CoC user.

That's only special to Luffy.

Oda choose to make Law a D. instead of making him a CoC.

We will see how special that is for someone to be a D. that could be above even an average low level CoC user.

God you and your Zoro hate again.

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Given the fact tgat Kidd was planned and Law was not, Law got much more shine than Kidd in comparison

 

[Finalbeta]

Law saved Zoro's fodder ass at least several times on the roof, and while Zoro was puffing, Law wasn't. Zoro even begged for Law's help to teleport him at some point.

Law isn't finished, Zoro is finished. Law again saved Zoro's ass and teleported him and Zeus at the same time. Law ended the fight stronger than Zoro. While Zoro did more damage to Kaido, Zoro still couldn't do that without Law's help.

This also debunked the nonsense that Zoro was equal to Law without Enma, Zoro would be absolutely fodder at the rooftop if he didn't have Enma, while Law didn't even get any huge upgrade between Dressrosa and Wano.

Plus, you can't make him both D. and CoC user.

That's only special to Luffy.

Oda choose to make Law a D. instead of making him a CoC.

We will see how special that is for someone to be a D. that could be above even an average low level CoC user.

Let me guess, another Enma overplayer?