Current Events What reputation was the most damaged? Garp or Kuzan?

[Lor D. Coast]

I don't see admiral fans going crazy over Aokiji's portrayal.
About Aokiji not using awakening, who is he going to fight to use awakening? Side characters like him don't get to have multiple fights.

 

[Luffy is the mc]

Imagine getting bodied by a 80 years old dude that fought you and everybody on the island and was nerfed by a sneak attack and somehow people say you looked better just for their agenda lol

 

[grey matter]

Both are pretty great as far as I'm concerned
Garp:
-Massive ACoC nukes
-Speed demon

Kuzan:
-Matched Garp in a brawl
-Didn't actually use his devil fruit
-Tanked ACoC fairly easily

Oda won't reveal Kuzan's arsenal until his major fight, no need to fret

Yeah, this really.

Both came off looking great. Garp did come off looking better, but that's because Garp is about to go down and needs to look good while doing so.

Aokiji training killed the "admirals are bums without OP DFs agenda" .

Aokiji's full skillset won't be revealed until later.

If anyone's stock fell after this chapter, it's BBP. They all look like massive bums.

 

[JoNdule]

Garp

Disappointed:
-DC = being paralleled with Coby is brutal. Almost felt Don Sai, King's punch level in scale, nothing too impressive here.
I'm not sure if he disappointed in endurance, majority of this fight was offpanel and he seemed to have taken many many hits, plus he's not a logia so I don't expect him to brush off attacks as easily to begin with.
Shined:
-Speed = He absolutely shit on Old WB in this department. Getting whatever he wanted off against a much younger Kuzan, WB couldn't touch the Admirals.

Kuzan

Disappointed:
-Reaction speed = He was getting tagged far too easily. I expected better from him, but he may have been faltering as pointed out by Garp multiple times.
Shined:
-Striking/punching power = This came out of absolutely left field, no one could have guessed he would be about even in a fistfight against Dfless legend Garp the Fist.



This fight simply suffered from off-panel piece. Both Garp and Kuzan suffered a bit from that. Garp in his endurance, an illusion that he took like 4 attacks total. Kuzan in his ability to land and do damage. We know off panel these things happened, but Oda didn't bother showing them.

The biggest takeaways: Old Garp can gain the upperhand against Kuzan, but ultimately a Kuzan that is not going all out, will still handle him. (This is reminiscent of Smoker vs Vergo in that sense, with Garp being Smoker in this situation).

Worth pointing out Garp could not deal with the commanders nearly as well as Aokiji could. I didn't list this as a disappointment because I didn't expect him to deal with them as easy as an Ice Logia Aokiji to begin with, but he was still a tad underwhelming there. Drunk Kuzan neg diffs 90% of them by simply raising his voice, Garp could have taken atleast 1 down with him.


Conclusion:

If you factor in Kuzan wavering, and being extremely conservative with his fighting style, he came out looking absolutely monstrous. As no one expected Kuzan to be on par with Garp in a fist fight heading into this, his bread and butter should not be strictly a fistfight and he was being soft. Then it would be Garp who disappointed more here.

If you ignore Kuzan wavering, and also believe this was him fighting to his full capabilities (that he drops his df and becomes a boxer only). Then he didn't come out looking as great, even if he was able to box with Garp, because one too many times was he shown at the mercy of Garp on panel. Even if this means he still defeats Garp, my expectations for him are far too high for this.

You can cope like you want

Kuzan looked bad
That's it

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I just want to tell you that I appreciate such a well discussed post, unbiased and just enjoyable to read.

Lol unbiased from zenzu...

He wouldn't make these coping arguments if it was Linlin who got help and looked bad vs old Garp

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Kuzan was disappointing
He didn't dominate nor dictate the battle
I expected fs and amazing speed

Anyway it just reconfirms Admirals below OG Yonko

 

[shadow31]

Both are pretty great as far as I'm concerned
Garp:
-Massive ACoC nukes
-Speed demon

Kuzan:
-Matched Garp in a brawl
-Didn't actually use his devil fruit
-Tanked ACoC fairly easily

Oda won't reveal Kuzan's arsenal until his major fight, no need to fret

Kuzan didn't use his fruit because it's useless against Garp.
Garp is faster than Kuzan so can speedblitz Kuzan before he can launch an ice attack.

And if Kuzan succeeds to launch an ice attack, we saw Garp can just shatter the ice.

Garp dominated the fight by forcing Kuzan to go physical.

 

[Water1415]

Oda and One piece fans, Oda for doing another fake death and One Piece fans for being dumb enough to believe it