Character Discussion What was Blackbeard's original plan, as he did not plan to capture Ace?

[comrade]

Originally, Blackbeard planned on delivering Luffy to the Marines to obtain the Shichibukai title. Delivering Ace instead, triggered a chain of events that lead to Blackbeard's current form.
- Declaration of Ace' execution, resulting in Whitebeard making his move
- Able to more successfully infiltrate Impel Down, as a lot of ID's manpower, including Magellan, was busy fighting the riot and prison break, which also led to Shiryu being released and help the BB pirates against the poison with an antidote
- Freeing the ID prisoners and taking Shiryu with him
- Appearing in the MF war, assaulting the almost dead WB and stealing his DF power

Had Blackbeard captured Luffy instead, most of the above would not have happened. Maybe he would've successfully infiltrated ID nevertheless to free the ID prisoners an Shiryu (a big if, given all the spotlight would've been turned on them), but what would've happened apart from that? Would he have assaulted a healthier version of Whitebeard on meds on their ship to try and steal their DF? Would he, in the case of Ace finding him nevertheless and now wanting to avenge both Tatch and Luffy, kill Ace and steal the Mera Fruit? How would Blackbeard have achieved his goal?

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[Sir Yasheen]

Blackbeards plan was to:
Join the Schichibukai by delivering Luffys head to the marines
After that he was going to wait until the opportunity to invade Impel Down presented himself.

His actual plan is the same, just capturing ace and whitebeards war caused him to speed up the timeline

 

[comrade]

His actual plan is the same, just capturing ace and whitebeards war caused him to speed up the timeline

It also allowed Blackbeard to get access to the Tremor fruit.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

It also allowed Blackbeard to get access to the Tremor fruit.

Yeah I feel Blackbeard, after getting his new crew was going to attack whitebeard directly in a bit as his health was deteriorating or to kill him on his deathbed.

I wouldn’t be shocked if BB had a vivre card for WB

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

I think the large strokes of the plan were always the same.

1. become Shichibuki
2. Instigate a crisis to infiltrate Impel Down
3. Go after Whitebeard’s fruit

It didnt have to be Ace but Whitebeards reputation for avenging his crew mates is one of the first things we hear about him. Blackbeard was going to abuse that one way or another.

 

[HA001]

I think the large strokes of the plan were always the same.

1. become Shichibuki
2. Instigate a crisis to infiltrate Impel Down
3. Go after Whitebeard’s fruit

It didnt have to be Ace but Whitebeards reputation for avenging his crew mates is one of the first things we hear about him. Blackbeard was going to abuse that one way or another.

Actually he'd be fucked if he tried that.

If he went Impel Down
Magellan would fold him and shiryu not be free because their would be no riots
Meaning he wouldn't get the crew

And his original crew isn't getting anywhere near wb and his crew

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Actually he'd be fucked if he tried that.

If he went Impel Down
Magellan would fold him and shiryu not be free because their would be no riots
Meaning he wouldn't get the crew

And his original crew isn't getting anywhere near wb and his crew

Yeah, Blackbeard prospers entirely off of luck. If Luffy was teleported anywhere other than Amazon Lily, BB invades Impel Down just to be one shot and dies in his cell.

 

[nik87]

He would probably target Kuma, Magellan or Big Mom instead of Gura because those 3 are supreme Paramecias as well.

 

[HA001]

Yeah, Blackbeard prospers entirely off of luck. If Luffy was teleported anywhere other than Amazon Lily, BB invades Impel Down just to be one shot and dies in his cell.

Luffy isn't in this equation if bb takes him to the wg.
Hes locked up and or dead.

Bbs warlord status is irrelevant when Magellan is there and shiryu isn't free with the antidote.

Bb really is lucky as fuck even the smallest things went his way

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Luffy isn't in this equation if bb takes him to the wg.
Hes locked up and or dead.

Bbs warlord status is irrelevant when Magellan is there and shiryu isn't free with the antidote.

Bb really is lucky as fuck even the smallest things went his way

Yup, canonically BB had the deck stacked in his favor to leave Impel Down.

 

[CensoredbyWG]

Actually he'd be fucked if he tried that.

If he went Impel Down
Magellan would fold him and shiryu not be free because their would be no riots
Meaning he wouldn't get the crew

And his original crew isn't getting anywhere near wb and his crew

It´s wise to remember that blackbeard didn´t use his fruit vs magellan and even though he lost the first confrontation, it´s pretty clear he folded magellan on the way out since he made it into marineford.

Magellan´s win was more a matter of BB not knowing about his fruit rather than a strength contest.

 

[Johnny B. Decent]

I wonder if his plan was to unleash everyone in Impel Down onto Marineford? With keeping the best of the most dangerous for himself.

Now that's a interesting what if.

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

I think it will be the same for the most part. Ace just happens to be on Teach's path so he switches his target from Luffy to Ace.

 

[Dickie D. Dick]

Luffy isn't in this equation if bb takes him to the wg.
Hes locked up and or dead.

Bbs warlord status is irrelevant when Magellan is there and shiryu isn't free with the antidote.

Bb really is lucky as fuck even the smallest things went his way

Blackbeard is all about fate and gambles

 

[Erkan12]

Originally, Blackbeard planned on delivering Luffy to the Marines to obtain the Shichibukai title. Delivering Ace instead, triggered a chain of events that lead to Blackbeard's current form.
- Declaration of Ace' execution, resulting in Whitebeard making his move
- Able to more successfully infiltrate Impel Down, as a lot of ID's manpower, including Magellan, was busy fighting the riot and prison break, which also led to Shiryu being released and help the BB pirates against the poison with an antidote
- Freeing the ID prisoners and taking Shiryu with him
- Appearing in the MF war, assaulting the almost dead WB and stealing his DF power

Had Blackbeard captured Luffy instead, most of the above would not have happened. Maybe he would've successfully infiltrated ID nevertheless to free the ID prisoners an Shiryu (a big if, given all the spotlight would've been turned on them), but what would've happened apart from that? Would he have assaulted a healthier version of Whitebeard on meds on their ship to try and steal their DF? Would he, in the case of Ace finding him nevertheless and now wanting to avenge both Tatch and Luffy, kill Ace and steal the Mera Fruit? How would Blackbeard have achieved his goal?

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One Piece would be over with Luffy dying at the hands of Black Beard.

Except for that, the only reason Oda planned to get BB lose vs. Magellan in the 1st fight quickly because of the PLOT.

If BB vs. Magellan started right there with BB knowing Magellan can use poison before the fight, BB would neg Magellan as he did in second fight vs Magellan, and as he did to Hancock:

Oda didn't want this happening YET, because Oda needed Magellan somewhere else, he wanted Magellan to chase Luffy, and other prisoners. If BB negged Magellan right there instead in the second fight, that wouldn't happen as Luffy and others would escape easily without fighting Magellan. Plus, another PLOT device was Shiryu completely showing allegiance by saving BB Pirates from poison, since Shiryu was a former government officer, they might think he was just with them to spy on them.

Then with Magellan directly getting negged, you can make up a different scenario, since the war isn't going to happen with WB pirates, perhaps BB would try to steal Magellan's DF instead of stealing Tremor DF.

Or he still wouldn't and wait for the perfect time to attack WB, and when WB was busy fighting someone and when he was already old and sick, BB would find his chance as he also knows almost every location WB pirates operates in the new world.

 

[Jailer]

He could have still started the MF war. Capturing Luffy was only for him to obtain the shichibukai title, he probably felt more confident going after a weaker pirate to get used to his power and at the same time become a warlord
- Ace was still gonna be after his ass, beat him and hand him over to Marines, use the opportunity to disrupt Impel Down and add new recruits
- Jump on deathbed beard

 

[Gol D. Bullet]

If Teach gotten the fruit first, then luffy and the strawhats are dead. Teach told Ace that he was planning to kill him at Banaro Island and deliver his head to the WG . By the time, Ace learns this it will be too late. Teach's main priority was to acquire crewmembers strong enough to fight the WB pirates.
Impel down would ironically go down easier for Teach because people forget Magellean spends most of his time in the bathroom because he likes to eat poisonous food so much. So one of these two things happen
1. Teach takes Magellan down when they meet at the entrance in a surprise attack and leaves him for dead.
2. Teach misses Magellan by chance and by the time they do have a battle, Teach likely releases Shiryu and knows about Magellan's DF power and the result is the same.

One thing that people forget is that WB's time was running out,.the medicine was just delaying the inevitable. So by the time Teach would infiltrate Impel Down and return to the New World, WB could have been on his deathbed. It would be a tough battle with all WB commanders present, but Teach was certainly confident that he could take on his former crew, especially if Pops was bedridden and unable to fight. And if Teach doesn't feel ready then he could fight a guerilla war and sabotage WB's territory and kill off commanders one by one.
The Marineford war just accelerated the schedule and put Teach's wishes on one basket for him to steal when everything was happening.

 

[CensoredbyWG]

He could have still started the MF war. Capturing Luffy was only for him to obtain the shichibukai title, he probably felt more confident going after a weaker pirate to get used to his power and at the same time become a warlord
- Ace was still gonna be after his ass, beat him and hand him over to Marines, use the opportunity to disrupt Impel Down and add new recruits
- Jump on deathbed beard

Ain´t no scenario where ace beats blackbeard, if anything, bb would kill both luffy and ace before speedrunning to laugh tale.

 

[kom5]

LOL BB only lost to Magellan because he was careless like Luffy lost to ceasar in the rematch he beat Magellan without an injure it was an low diff

 

[Herrera95]

Teach was after any Supernova to become a Shichibukao and did what he did at Impel Down.