I wonder why there is no thread, yet, that makes room for theories concerning the possible future development for the plot of Egghead. Please, give me what you think will happen next.
My theory is focusing on Vegapunk, Luffy and - at the moment especially - on Lucci as the main character-constellation for the arc. How Bonney and Kuma add into the picture we have to see – it is too early to make any interpretation in their regard.
Additionally I think Egghead could give Luffy the necessary room to work on the loss of his brother Ace.
But first we have to look what Oda has given us so far. For that I need to focus more on Lucci as a character first:
Pythagoras said, when CP0 approached Egghead “What does CP0 want with us?! And why did they bring Rob Lucci?!”. I don’t know if some of you noticed, but the wording here is odd. If Pythagoras wanted to announce CP0’s arrival at Egghead, than the statement “What does CP0 want with us?!” alone would of course include Rob Lucci and would have sufficed. But here the robot clearly adds pigeon guy in a separate sentence as if him being there was something that had to be conveyed separately because it was important for Shaka to know. And then – Lucci is wearing a mask just as Stussi and Kaku. Why was Pythagoras able to recognize him and not the others? Because of Hatori? If so - Why do they know that Lucci has a pet pigeon?
Additionally Lilith seems to have heard about Lucci one or more times as she was looking for confirmation when she asked if Lucci was the assassin, right? That means Lucci is known to the satellites – I wonder why.
The whole conversation does one thing – it elevates Lucci as a character from the rest of CP0 in regards of importance.
Then there are the similarities between Shaka and Lucci. In many ways they have the same posture and way of speaking and acting. Look at the introduction and the way Shaka is always shoving his hands into his pockets. He is acting always calm and in control, even when the situation escalates a little – he keeps analyzing the whole construct and finds the best solution for it.
If we are looking at Lucci during in Water 7 and Enies Lobby, we see him more than often with his hands in his pockets, just as Shaka. And just as Shaka he keeps calm in stressful situations. The fact they are portrayed in a similar manner is in my opinion not out of pure coincidence – I assume it is intentional.
The fact that both are highly strategic thinkers is another contribution to their similarity.
Then there is one thing that bothers me and that is that Shaka has not yet taken off his helmet - this is telling: I suppose it will mean the face underneath will be a big surprise for us.
From the way Shaka is standing there casually, I think he is a young adult and I would put him roughly under 35 years of age. And I am thinking that, if he is in fact connected to Lucci, he would be more like a brother, a twin, a robot with Lucci’s face or something along that. In fact there are two possibilities:
Shaka is Lucci’s brother/twin or something alike:
And in that case, we would definitely have a major moral issue here - Let me try to summarize:
With Lucci and Shaka confirmed to be brothers/twins/something alike then we have a situation, in which one brother is going to be executed by the WG and the other brother even participating in said attempt to take his life. And with Kizaru on his way to Egghead, we will even have a much more familiar reoccuring situation. Because then it will be one admiral taking Shaka’s life before Lucci’s eyes. Doesn’t that sound familiar to you? – Luffy and Ace
I think this is the reason why this arc could(!) give Luffy the necessary frame to psycologically work on the loss of his brother Ace. It hasn’t been done, yet and Luffy deserves at least to have the opportunity to do so. Because Luffy definitely is not going to be at all that understanding towards Lucci’s coldness regarding his brotherhood with Shaka. In this regard Oda has some explanation to do. Because I think Lucci’s worldview is a major factor in him not being able to stand behind his brother and protecting him, but instead trying to do the exact opposite.
Think of it – back when they were on the Puffing Tom, Lucci did indeed explain the way he is understanding justice: For the sake of the worldwide peace, the individual has to make sacrafices – and that understanding he is also transferring to himself and his own family, too.
This brings me to the next hint: Lucci’s awkward behavior since they were seen sailing to Egghead. Clearly some of you can see how he first is fiddling with his hat, questioning their mission subtly and later disregarding set rules to not engage a Yonko. Much later we see him rushing their plans to kill Vegapunk without waiting for the Marines. This diverting behavior is contrary to the one he was introduced to us yerars back and how I can remember him. It tells me Oda is indeed implying a strong inner turmoil, which is slowly surfacing.
And now we are getting to the yearly festa-letter (I didn’t even know it was yearly) from Oda this month, which revealed that that person and that person are fighting. It was worded as if the fight would be a big surprise for us. If it’s a surprise, then we are not thinking of a clash between those persons in the least. And in my opinion, this could be a fight between two individuals who are on the same side, as of yet. In the letter Oda mentioned that this fight will have a backstory. So, going by how the volume of a backstory would be a little much for a side-plot of One Piece, I am betting the fight will happen in the main story line. And seeing as I can interpret some fissures are present within the WGs parties involved, my bet is, we will have at least one defector here – and it could be Lucci.
With his inner turmoil going on and the arc peaking at some point, Lucci is rushed to decide if he wants to safe his brother or not. If so – and I think with Luffy’s urgent insisting, he will certainly come around to help, - then we have our unlikely fight between two persons like Oda mentioned – Kizaru and Lucci. I am betting that the admiral will defeat the CP0 agent and then will face Luffy afterwards.
And in that case I have a special picture in mind: Think about Luffy and Ace’s death at the hands of Akainu. His brother died protecting him from the admiral.
Now, think of Lucci doing the exact same thing for Shaka, while Kizaru is about to kill the latter. I bet it would bring Luffy back to that exact same day at the Marine fort, with Ace crouching before Luffy to take that hit, which was initially aimed at him. Seeing that all over again would not only make Luffy determinded to throw everything he has at Kizaru, but it would be a peak point for the arc. Hell, look at how Lucci was fighting on Egghead - topless with the scar at his back visible. If Luffy is in a flashback, that scar could very well be warped into the tattoo Ace wore – the shapes of both are, after all, resembling a cross, generally speaking.
But different than last time, Luffy will be strong enough to defend what he thinks is important to him. It will give him the necessary development and the assurance at the end, that he is in fact able to be strong enough to protect his nakama. A prove he needs to have for himself.
Shaka is a robot made to resemble Lucci:
The second possibility is that Shaka is a Satellite resembling Lucci. Then I want to know why Vegapunk (Stellar) was building him in the first place. Fact is, in that case the Old man punk will have a connection with Lucci, which needs to be explained further. As of now, an interpretation would be too vague. But the overall story line in that case would maybe even follow the one I just explained above, with Lucci maybe even trying to defend Vegapunk (but without the reoccurring situation resembling Ace’s execution).
If you think that Lucci is never going to do such a thing because he is too brutal and dark, even sadistic as a character – let me explain and differenciate something:
Lucci was never portrayed as brutal and dark, nor is he a sadist. His sole priorities can be summarized in one word: Duty. In his mind, fulfilling his duty comes first before anything else. He always puts his orders/missions as a priority, towards which he works with precise accuracy. There is no place for empathy or warmth, nor for friendship (Pauli) and weakness (500 soldiers). It doesn’t make him brutal, but only cold.
The only times he diverted from missions was, when he wanted to have some fun (turning into a Leopard-human-form in Iceberg’s office; letting Chimney follow them) and was sure those slight hedonistic tendencies were not jeopardizing his missions. Because, in his thinking at that time, they did not contradict with his given orders (getting the pluton blueprints; protecting Spandam).
I think, it is a way to give himself the room for his own enjoyment, solely because he wants to have some fun fighting someone. It is also the same reason why he often times tries to incite his opponents to fight him (Sanji on the Puffing Tom; Pauli in Iceberg’s office). Lucci loves fighting! However, up until Egghead, he never had made a move to endanger their missions in any way through his own personal drives.
What is noteworthy however is that he is very curious regarding interpersonal relationships and emphatetical motivations. Even if he had his difficulties understanding emphatical drives, he is curious and tries to grasps the concept of it, when he comes across it in real life. That is, why he asked Franky why he was helping the Straw hats back on the sea train, but had his problems with grasping what the cyborg meant. It is also the reason why he wanted to know why Luffy was helping Pauli.
Then we have his motivation: During the Enies Lobby arc, Spandam asks CP9 what drives them, to which Lucci replies something along the line of “Blood perhaps, and as long as we are in CP9, we are even allowed to kill.”. The statement comes off as something Lucci is not quite sure about himself. Why else would he add the “perhaps” at the end? I wonder what takes him to the conclusion to say “blood”. Considering he loves fighting, it would be understandable for him to say that, but none the less it lets room for interpretation.
All in all his actions were always driven by his responsibility to fullfil his duty, rather than his own personal interests.
Now, with the start of the Egghead Arc, however, we see his priorities somehow shifting (starting a fight with Luffy, questioning their orders). Sure is – he still is trying to kill Vegapunk as it is his order, but with his actions he is endangering their mission and the underlying factor as to why he does it remains a mystery.
As some sidenotes:
1.) I wonder what order Kizaru originally had being sent to Egghead. Clearly he didn’t come just because the Straw hats are there. He was already on his way to the island when the Marine got the intell that Luffy and his crew were there. The question arises - Why send a high rank there, when you already have your special agency working on the same island? Currently, I can come up with two possibilities for Kizaru’s mission:
3.) Kaku talks like an old man - according to japanese language - just like Lilith. Both are using "washi" when they are refering to themselves.
4.) I wonder what Shaka and Lilith are doing right now.
What are your suggenstions and interpretations so far? What do you think will happen next?
My theory is focusing on Vegapunk, Luffy and - at the moment especially - on Lucci as the main character-constellation for the arc. How Bonney and Kuma add into the picture we have to see – it is too early to make any interpretation in their regard.
Additionally I think Egghead could give Luffy the necessary room to work on the loss of his brother Ace.
But first we have to look what Oda has given us so far. For that I need to focus more on Lucci as a character first:
Pythagoras said, when CP0 approached Egghead “What does CP0 want with us?! And why did they bring Rob Lucci?!”. I don’t know if some of you noticed, but the wording here is odd. If Pythagoras wanted to announce CP0’s arrival at Egghead, than the statement “What does CP0 want with us?!” alone would of course include Rob Lucci and would have sufficed. But here the robot clearly adds pigeon guy in a separate sentence as if him being there was something that had to be conveyed separately because it was important for Shaka to know. And then – Lucci is wearing a mask just as Stussi and Kaku. Why was Pythagoras able to recognize him and not the others? Because of Hatori? If so - Why do they know that Lucci has a pet pigeon?
Additionally Lilith seems to have heard about Lucci one or more times as she was looking for confirmation when she asked if Lucci was the assassin, right? That means Lucci is known to the satellites – I wonder why.
The whole conversation does one thing – it elevates Lucci as a character from the rest of CP0 in regards of importance.
Then there are the similarities between Shaka and Lucci. In many ways they have the same posture and way of speaking and acting. Look at the introduction and the way Shaka is always shoving his hands into his pockets. He is acting always calm and in control, even when the situation escalates a little – he keeps analyzing the whole construct and finds the best solution for it.
If we are looking at Lucci during in Water 7 and Enies Lobby, we see him more than often with his hands in his pockets, just as Shaka. And just as Shaka he keeps calm in stressful situations. The fact they are portrayed in a similar manner is in my opinion not out of pure coincidence – I assume it is intentional.
The fact that both are highly strategic thinkers is another contribution to their similarity.
Then there is one thing that bothers me and that is that Shaka has not yet taken off his helmet - this is telling: I suppose it will mean the face underneath will be a big surprise for us.
From the way Shaka is standing there casually, I think he is a young adult and I would put him roughly under 35 years of age. And I am thinking that, if he is in fact connected to Lucci, he would be more like a brother, a twin, a robot with Lucci’s face or something along that. In fact there are two possibilities:
Shaka is Lucci’s brother/twin or something alike:
And in that case, we would definitely have a major moral issue here - Let me try to summarize:
With Lucci and Shaka confirmed to be brothers/twins/something alike then we have a situation, in which one brother is going to be executed by the WG and the other brother even participating in said attempt to take his life. And with Kizaru on his way to Egghead, we will even have a much more familiar reoccuring situation. Because then it will be one admiral taking Shaka’s life before Lucci’s eyes. Doesn’t that sound familiar to you? – Luffy and Ace
I think this is the reason why this arc could(!) give Luffy the necessary frame to psycologically work on the loss of his brother Ace. It hasn’t been done, yet and Luffy deserves at least to have the opportunity to do so. Because Luffy definitely is not going to be at all that understanding towards Lucci’s coldness regarding his brotherhood with Shaka. In this regard Oda has some explanation to do. Because I think Lucci’s worldview is a major factor in him not being able to stand behind his brother and protecting him, but instead trying to do the exact opposite.
Think of it – back when they were on the Puffing Tom, Lucci did indeed explain the way he is understanding justice: For the sake of the worldwide peace, the individual has to make sacrafices – and that understanding he is also transferring to himself and his own family, too.
This brings me to the next hint: Lucci’s awkward behavior since they were seen sailing to Egghead. Clearly some of you can see how he first is fiddling with his hat, questioning their mission subtly and later disregarding set rules to not engage a Yonko. Much later we see him rushing their plans to kill Vegapunk without waiting for the Marines. This diverting behavior is contrary to the one he was introduced to us yerars back and how I can remember him. It tells me Oda is indeed implying a strong inner turmoil, which is slowly surfacing.
And now we are getting to the yearly festa-letter (I didn’t even know it was yearly) from Oda this month, which revealed that that person and that person are fighting. It was worded as if the fight would be a big surprise for us. If it’s a surprise, then we are not thinking of a clash between those persons in the least. And in my opinion, this could be a fight between two individuals who are on the same side, as of yet. In the letter Oda mentioned that this fight will have a backstory. So, going by how the volume of a backstory would be a little much for a side-plot of One Piece, I am betting the fight will happen in the main story line. And seeing as I can interpret some fissures are present within the WGs parties involved, my bet is, we will have at least one defector here – and it could be Lucci.
With his inner turmoil going on and the arc peaking at some point, Lucci is rushed to decide if he wants to safe his brother or not. If so – and I think with Luffy’s urgent insisting, he will certainly come around to help, - then we have our unlikely fight between two persons like Oda mentioned – Kizaru and Lucci. I am betting that the admiral will defeat the CP0 agent and then will face Luffy afterwards.
And in that case I have a special picture in mind: Think about Luffy and Ace’s death at the hands of Akainu. His brother died protecting him from the admiral.
Now, think of Lucci doing the exact same thing for Shaka, while Kizaru is about to kill the latter. I bet it would bring Luffy back to that exact same day at the Marine fort, with Ace crouching before Luffy to take that hit, which was initially aimed at him. Seeing that all over again would not only make Luffy determinded to throw everything he has at Kizaru, but it would be a peak point for the arc. Hell, look at how Lucci was fighting on Egghead - topless with the scar at his back visible. If Luffy is in a flashback, that scar could very well be warped into the tattoo Ace wore – the shapes of both are, after all, resembling a cross, generally speaking.
But different than last time, Luffy will be strong enough to defend what he thinks is important to him. It will give him the necessary development and the assurance at the end, that he is in fact able to be strong enough to protect his nakama. A prove he needs to have for himself.
Shaka is a robot made to resemble Lucci:
The second possibility is that Shaka is a Satellite resembling Lucci. Then I want to know why Vegapunk (Stellar) was building him in the first place. Fact is, in that case the Old man punk will have a connection with Lucci, which needs to be explained further. As of now, an interpretation would be too vague. But the overall story line in that case would maybe even follow the one I just explained above, with Lucci maybe even trying to defend Vegapunk (but without the reoccurring situation resembling Ace’s execution).
If you think that Lucci is never going to do such a thing because he is too brutal and dark, even sadistic as a character – let me explain and differenciate something:
Lucci was never portrayed as brutal and dark, nor is he a sadist. His sole priorities can be summarized in one word: Duty. In his mind, fulfilling his duty comes first before anything else. He always puts his orders/missions as a priority, towards which he works with precise accuracy. There is no place for empathy or warmth, nor for friendship (Pauli) and weakness (500 soldiers). It doesn’t make him brutal, but only cold.
The only times he diverted from missions was, when he wanted to have some fun (turning into a Leopard-human-form in Iceberg’s office; letting Chimney follow them) and was sure those slight hedonistic tendencies were not jeopardizing his missions. Because, in his thinking at that time, they did not contradict with his given orders (getting the pluton blueprints; protecting Spandam).
I think, it is a way to give himself the room for his own enjoyment, solely because he wants to have some fun fighting someone. It is also the same reason why he often times tries to incite his opponents to fight him (Sanji on the Puffing Tom; Pauli in Iceberg’s office). Lucci loves fighting! However, up until Egghead, he never had made a move to endanger their missions in any way through his own personal drives.
What is noteworthy however is that he is very curious regarding interpersonal relationships and emphatetical motivations. Even if he had his difficulties understanding emphatical drives, he is curious and tries to grasps the concept of it, when he comes across it in real life. That is, why he asked Franky why he was helping the Straw hats back on the sea train, but had his problems with grasping what the cyborg meant. It is also the reason why he wanted to know why Luffy was helping Pauli.
Then we have his motivation: During the Enies Lobby arc, Spandam asks CP9 what drives them, to which Lucci replies something along the line of “Blood perhaps, and as long as we are in CP9, we are even allowed to kill.”. The statement comes off as something Lucci is not quite sure about himself. Why else would he add the “perhaps” at the end? I wonder what takes him to the conclusion to say “blood”. Considering he loves fighting, it would be understandable for him to say that, but none the less it lets room for interpretation.
All in all his actions were always driven by his responsibility to fullfil his duty, rather than his own personal interests.
Now, with the start of the Egghead Arc, however, we see his priorities somehow shifting (starting a fight with Luffy, questioning their orders). Sure is – he still is trying to kill Vegapunk as it is his order, but with his actions he is endangering their mission and the underlying factor as to why he does it remains a mystery.
As some sidenotes:
1.) I wonder what order Kizaru originally had being sent to Egghead. Clearly he didn’t come just because the Straw hats are there. He was already on his way to the island when the Marine got the intell that Luffy and his crew were there. The question arises - Why send a high rank there, when you already have your special agency working on the same island? Currently, I can come up with two possibilities for Kizaru’s mission:
- He was send to escort a very important person to Egghead. Maybe one of the gorosei, who was supposed to take control of the Seraphim after Vegapunk was gone. But then – CP0 still has the authority chip. They could all by themselves control the Seraphim after Vegapunk were to disappear.
- Kizaru is send to kill someone on Egghead who is strong and requires someone who is even stronger to be taken down. This could be Sentomaru, or Kaku or Stussi or Rob Lucci.
3.) Kaku talks like an old man - according to japanese language - just like Lilith. Both are using "washi" when they are refering to themselves.
4.) I wonder what Shaka and Lilith are doing right now.
What are your suggenstions and interpretations so far? What do you think will happen next?
