Controversial Whats a theory that you agreed with that crashed and burned?

[ShadowStyle369]

Personally speaking I can't say anything. One can like It or not, It's fine. However, outside of Wano and all the Ryuma plot Zoro killing Kaido Is just him killing a strong enemy; nothing more.
Enma's plot had a sense in Wano, now what could be? Hurting Kaido even more? And for what objective?
What remains is forging Enma black; if you think that could happen against Kaido, then maybe.

ZKK had sense because of Zoro new Ryuma, because of the dragon killed over the Capital like Ryuma, because of the Oden plot. Now Is all well and gone.

Zoro killing Shanks' brother or an Admiral or a Gorosei would be more intresting and way more plot connected.

It’s not just killing a strong enemy It’s killing the unkillable creature that is kaido. To quote chapter 795: No People were able to kill him and that included himself. I said in one of my post to white crane maybe we were to ambitious in wanting to attribute to much to zoro in wano. Ultimately luffy is the Mc and upon the end of wano he got such things as the dawn,comparison to ryuma(which to me is luffy and zoro hype),toki hype etc. We know luffy does not kill so that’s the end of that basically.

Zoro on the other hand his connection with enma,the permanent scar, genuinely being that monstrous Samurai kaido needed, kaido saying death completes a person etc. the list could go on, could come later when oda/zoro is ready to make it happen then all the narrative set up in wano makes sense.

Also and I could get some push back, but Zoro is not ryuma…. He will be better than ryuma ever was he does not technically have to slay kaido over wano just like ryuma killed a dragon it would be just like oda to have the unkillable kaido killed on a grander scale for everyone in the op world to see. Narratively and power wise it could still make sense.

 

[zzShinichi]

Oh fuck I was also invested in Carrot joining the SHs at the end of Wano
I should stop believing in theories

 

[Etzel Andergast]

Just because

 

[mly90]

I ain't trying to rain on your parade, but it's like @nik87 said, if Lolda insists on bringing Kaido back somehow just to have Zoro kill him for some reason, that still won't qualify as ZKK.

After all, it will be no different from a throwaway fight like Zoro vs Lucci.

And at that point, cutting down a dragon like Kaido will no longer be that impressive a feat for Zoro, anyway.

Absolute facts Wano was the place for it to take place and Loda cowered to go through with it after building it up whole arc. It’s meaningless now

 

[garciajulieen]

Now talking, another ZKK came to my mind: Zoro killing Kizaru.

I was never on board with Zoro killing him, but I was damn sure those two were going to have a moment; possibly with Zoro stopping Kizaru from killing a mugi in a specific moment. A Sabaody like moment, even if less important.
Visually too It would have been beautiful:

Lol, true. I was so invested in the Wano Shogun. I really wanted a Zoro vs Ryuma 2.0.

What a shame.

Post automatically merged: Sep 24, 2024

Yea Orochi was a big prank. Like come ooon

 

[Kurozumi Wiwi]

Awakened Kid using the gigantic sword at Onigashima entrance

 

[Dragon777]

It’s not just killing a strong enemy It’s killing the unkillable creature that is kaido. To quote chapter 795: No People were able to kill him and that included himself. I said in one of my post to white crane maybe we were to ambitious in wanting to attribute to much to zoro in wano. Ultimately luffy is the Mc and upon the end of wano he got such things as the dawn,comparison to ryuma(which to me is luffy and zoro hype),toki hype etc. We know luffy does not kill so that’s the end of that basically.

Zoro on the other hand his connection with enma,the permanent scar, genuinely being that monstrous Samurai kaido needed, kaido saying death completes a person etc. the list could go on, could come later when oda/zoro is ready to make it happen then all the narrative set up in wano makes sense.

Also and I could get some push back, but Zoro is not ryuma…. He will be better than ryuma ever was he does not technically have to slay kaido over wano just like ryuma killed a dragon it would be just like oda to have the unkillable kaido killed on a grander scale for everyone in the op world to see. Narratively and power wise it could still make sense.

Zoro had a connection, but all the plot of Enma, the monster samurai, Kaido that was never defeated (always bet on Kaido etc.) died on Wano, when all those plots were closed by Luffy.
About Kaido not being able to kill himself and people not being able to kill him...let's just say that was the usual, hollow hype Oda throws around; we know that wasn't true the second it was said, but then we have actually seen that it wasn't true. Oden was more than capable of killing Kaido and was actually doing it, if not for the old hag tricking him. And that was Oden, not Joy Boy.
Do you think WB couldn't kill him, that Shanks or Mihawk (more so given what Oden did) couldn't, that if he decided to show himself at new Marineford he would have walked out of it?
Plenty of people could injure and then kill Kaido; it was just that he has never faced them + he was just stronger overall. There was never, really, a "Kaido can't be killed anyway" if not in the fake initial hype that we have always know it was false.

So, if the point is Zoro cutting something incredibly hard, the same could not be achieved with Zoro killing Topman? In fact, he is even tougher and really unkillable for now.

That just to say this thing: it's fine if you would like it, I can't say anything on that and I won't. You like the idea of Zoro killing Kaido even "randomly" and that's ok. What I am saying is that now it would be just a powerlevel thing: Zoro killing someone very durable, but you can have same results with others. What made ZKK was the narrative behind.
Unless you think that killing Kaido would bring Zoro to forge Enma black; that could be a plot connection that is still kind of valid.

 

[ShadowStyle369]

Zoro had a connection, but all the plot of Enma, the monster samurai, Kaido that was never defeated (always bet on Kaido etc.) died on Wano, when all those plots were closed by Luffy.
About Kaido not being able to kill himself and people not being able to kill him...let's just say that was the usual, hollow hype Oda throws around; we know that wasn't true the second it was said, but then we have actually seen that it wasn't true. Oden was more than capable of killing Kaido and was actually doing it, if not for the old hag tricking him. And that was Oden, not Joy Boy.
Do you think WB couldn't kill him, that Shanks or Mihawk (more so given what Oden did) couldn't, that if he decided to show himself at new Marineford he would have walked out of it?
Plenty of people could injure and then kill Kaido; it was just that he has never faced them + he was just stronger overall. There was never, really, a "Kaido can't be killed anyway" if not in the fake initial hype that we have always know it was false.

So, if the point is Zoro cutting something incredibly hard, the same could not be achieved with Zoro killing Topman? In fact, he is even tougher and really unkillable for now.

That just to say this thing: it's fine if you would like it, I can't say anything on that and I won't. You like the idea of Zoro killing Kaido even "randomly" and that's ok. What I am saying is that now it would be just a powerlevel thing: Zoro killing someone very durable, but you can have same results with others. What made ZKK was the narrative behind.
Unless you think that killing Kaido would bring Zoro to forge Enma black; that could be a plot connection that is still kind of valid.

I do think enma could have some connection in turning black with killing kaido, but that is obviously up for debate when kaido is currently out of the story. I honestly fail to see how the plot of Enma, the monster samurai,Kaido being unkillable are now just gone from the story,because we left wano? Those points fall on if kaido comes back to the story or not.

Enma-Kaido returns and it relevancy is still there black blade or not if oda goes through with the kill.

The Monster Samurai-Oda does not have to have kaido acknowledge that zoro is the monsterous samurai in wano for it to fit...ryuma was a samurai that traveled,and likewise for oden,and zoro all that is needed is kaidos acknowledgement.

Kaido being Unkillable- Ofcourse with what the story has shown i think that mihawk can kill Kaido black blade etc,I don't think shanks can do it but thats my scaling of him lol but the story/oda gives kaido that Unkillable Status, Oda also had it said that the only one that would defeat kaido in the future would be joyboy which oda pulled through on...so if zoro is the first to kill him then it speaks volumes for him. Especially if by the time it happens he is stronger than Shanks/Mihawk or at least stronger than shanks approaching mihawk .

In my headcannon sure we go back to wano etc have a huge war there for pluton to which kaido comes back and oda actually finishes the job and all of zoro previous wano ties are addressed, but will that actually happen??? I have no clue lol...all i am saying is if oda chose to split the glory/narrative between luffy the mc beating kaido,bringing the dawn,toki prophecy ,etc. then zoro may get glory/narrative in killing the unkillable kaido,being that monster samurai,make enma black with that kill (If killing him is what's needed). He may do so and on a much grander scale than closed off wano like it was when we were there.

 

[DonWick]

The only theory I’m hanging on to is BB killing Shanks and Shilliew killing Mihawk. I can’t see it happening though. Somebody made a theory saying that they would kill them before Luffy and Zoro got to fight them to build tension but I can’t see it.

 

[Brush D. Teeth]

Kid not getting negged by Shanks.

 

[YonkoGodLuffy]

Luffy Kills Saturn. Didn't really crash and burn though since he did die, just Imu killed him and Imu needed the hype since I push the agenda that his top 2 in history and final villain so it kinda all worked in the end
Also was part of a larger theory that included Luffy 1v2ing Kizaru/Saturn which happened and Kizaru ally to fight Kuzan (Crash and burned).

 

[park_min young]

Awakened Kid using the gigantic sword at Onigashima entrance

That would have been epic as fuck if that was his finisher, instead we got Damned Punk tickling BM 😅🥲

OT:
Kizaru betraying Saturn was clicking in my mind so much. It made a lot of sense but it didn’t happen.