General & Others When and why did the manga go downhill?

#41
I like a lot about Hody Jones and FMI, but it didn't live up to the hype, being one of the first locations the SH wanted to visit. And there wasn't much exploring, I do think it could be considered as part of the decline of the manga.
 
#48
Honestly, just compare Sabo to Ace. Once Sabo came as an adult to replace Ace and the revolutionary army replaced the WBP as the wholesome chungus squad, that was really the decline. And you can compare Ace getting his ass beat and killed to Sabo escaping Imu and the 5 elders and getting nuked.
 
#52
A question to those fans who feel that one piece went downhill after a certain point… When was it in your opinion?

When Charlotte Cracker was intrduced
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i love perospero
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Honestly, just compare Sabo to Ace. Once Sabo came as an adult to replace Ace and the revolutionary army replaced the WBP as the wholesome chungus squad, that was really the decline. And you can compare Ace getting his ass beat and killed to Sabo escaping Imu and the 5 elders and getting nuked.

LOL


I HATE SABO

He should NOT EXIST
 
#54
I wouldn't say it went downhill. But there have been some major changes associated with a drop in quality:
  • Story becoming more Luffy centric
  • Less focus on the other strawhats
  • Strawhats personalities relying on tropes
  • Focus on uninteresting side characters
  • Bad pacing
Most of these are a result of the world getting way bigger. Harder to focus on the other strawhats in a world with emperors/admirals/Gorosei/Revolutionaries. Easier to focus on Chopper in Skypiea or Brook in Thriller Park than in Wano with Kaido/BM/Kidd/Law/Marco. This elevated the role of the captain and downgraded the rest of the crew. Oda spending less time on the strawhats meant their characters becoming worse. Bigger world meant more side characters which meant less time on each character and side characters being boring/shallow. It also meant it is getting harder to pace an arc. It is getting harder to finish an arc with so many plotlines.

Most of these problems are a result of Oda massively expanding the world between EL and Marineford. W7/EL introduced the admirals/revolutionaries/emperors. Marineford set the scale of an emperor crew which is essentially an army with many commanders, underlings, and allies. You can't go back to the times when an arc had the strawhats, the villain and his underlings, and 3/4 island specific characters. Most of the problems of Onepiece had its roots planted in arcs mostly considered as the story peaks in the community. But this also had its upsides: bigger and livelier world, some really cool side characters, bigger sense of scale and stakes.

Other problems like art getting worse or stories becoming more repetitive is a result of Oda's age and the story going for so long.
Well said 👍
 
#57
It hasn't. The quality of story has actually improved since the time skip. You're all just using nostalgia and the weekly release experience and pretending it's not.

All this stuff about G5 being mentioned... It's funny, I distinctly remember people reacting the same way when G4 and G3 and G2 were introduced. People look for a reason to dislike something, and shift it onto the new thing every time.
 
#59
It hasn't. The quality of story has actually improved since the time skip. You're all just using nostalgia and the weekly release experience and pretending it's not.

All this stuff about G5 being mentioned... It's funny, I distinctly remember people reacting the same way when G4 and G3 and G2 were introduced. People look for a reason to dislike something, and shift it onto the new thing every time.
G5 has a much larger effect on the story though. This isnt a simple powerup, it completely changes Luffys fruit, and potentially Luffys entire character/goal. Luffy went from having a silly paramecia to the fruit that the government fears most ¨choosing him¨ like it had a mind of its own.
 
#60
It hasn't. The quality of story has actually improved since the time skip. You're all just using nostalgia and the weekly release experience and pretending it's not.

All this stuff about G5 being mentioned... It's funny, I distinctly remember people reacting the same way when G4 and G3 and G2 were introduced. People look for a reason to dislike something, and shift it onto the new thing every time.
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