General & Others When does a weapon become a sword and a man a swordsman?

#64
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“ no - sword style “ means its a style without the use of swords.
Not that it just isnt a sword style , otherwise zoro wont say it .
0/No sword style , 1 sword style , 2 sword style , 3 sword style

all of these are zoro’s sword styles .

Ikoku isnt a part of bigmom’s sword style yet its her most iconic move and the only attack which showcases her favouritism towards giants
Elbaf swordsmanship
ikoku
hakoku
 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
#65
Zoro the guy that wants to be the wss said he isn’t and he didn’t refute it


Okay so ikoku isn’t a part of a sword style
:sanmoji:

He hasn’t said a named attack either
And yes as long as you consider yourself a swordsman you are one

Leaching off of crocodile’s utopia plan
Hiding behind buggy’s shadow and now gonna go with his one piece plan

Zoro says he isn’t and the manga > something that goes against it
No point does zoro say king isn't a swordsman
Learn how to read.

There is no leeching
Croc and mihawk are coming up with a plan TOGETHER
Mihawks idea not crocs was to USE buggy
 
#66
This applies to brook too btw… Brook doesn’t have a sword style and hasnt called himself a swordsman

No point does zoro say king isn't a swordsman
Learn how to read.

There is no leeching
Croc and mihawk are coming up with a plan TOGETHER
Mihawks idea not crocs was to USE buggy
True if you ignore what he says


It’s crocodiles utopia plan they were working together on. Yes he partnered up with crocodile and now they’ll work together to help buggy
 
#68
And what’s Brook’s sword style?
I’m tired repeating myself
When someone considers themselves a swordsman regardless of how skilled they truly are they are still an obstacle in Zoro’s path he has to surpass. Cabaji despite being fodder is more or a swordsman than king because he actually claims to be one
As far as we know never claimed to be a swordsman. We know having sword duels doesn’t mean your a swordsman like we’ve seen from king and even Franky
If one considers themselves a swordsman they’re a swordsman no matter how proficient they actually are
Tho as long as one refers to themselves as a swordsmen it doesn’t matter how proficient they actually are they’re automatically a swordsman
Im pretty sure mihawk at least considers him one
He doesn’t need named attacks as long as he still considers himself a swordman
 
#69
Zoro the guy that wants to be the wss said he isn’t and he didn’t refute it


Okay so ikoku isn’t a part of a sword style
:sanmoji:

He hasn’t said a named attack either
And yes as long as you consider yourself a swordsman you are one

Leaching off of crocodile’s utopia plan
Hiding behind buggy’s shadow and now gonna go with his one piece plan

Zoro says he isn’t and the manga > something that goes against it
King is not a swordman because the sword is not his main mains of atack...He employs a lot of gadgets like for example his sword who he can change its shape to break or "steal" someone else's sword, the gadgets that give spikes to his fist and he relies more on his natural tribe ability than anything else, all his named atacks dont even use the sword but his natural fire to do the atacks.

People like shanks and Roger wouldnt be swordmen either if they didnt rely on the sword to do literaly all the atacks we have seen them do, we never see them using gadgets or devil fruit abilities, soo there's literaly nothing in the story saying they are not swordmen, even their blades are graded blades and not just some nameless piece of iron like King's are.
 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
#71


True if you ignore what he says


It’s crocodiles utopia plan they were working together on. Yes he partnered up with crocodile and now they’ll work together to help buggy
Ignore what at no point does zoro say you are not a swordsman

King himself says HE LOVES SWORD DUELS

Yes plan they discussed TOGETHER
They won't help buggy dumbass buggy gets everything ACCIDENTALLY
 
#73
Really good, i enjoy threads like this..

I think a Weapon becomes a Sword when it has a Bladed Edge and you can hold it in your hands.. So yeah Gaban's Axe, Whitebeard's Naginata, Kamazo's Scythes and Randolph's Spear are all Swords in One Piece..

The moment King agreed to a Sword Duel, doesn't that make him a Swordsman though?.. Given it was temporary..

Sword Style is an important point to discern the level of a Swordsman and their Swordsmanship, but i'd rather say it's the degree of dedication to the Blade, you don't need a specific Sword Style, although someone who dedicate their life to the Blade may invent their own Sword Style like Cavendish perhaps..

I think the example with Franky and Brook illustrate perfectly the disparity in Swordsmanship and Swordsmen, he '' picked '' up the sword only since post timeskip as an extra add on for General Franky.. Can you even claim that he's a Swordsman if he's not holding the blade himself and does it by proxy?..

I got no problem with Shanks being a Swordsman because it's within the bounds of a Swordsmanship duel for the World Strongest Swordsman and AdCoC is not a Swordsmanship skill.. In other words Shanks would nerf himself in a Sword Duel.. Unless.. He wouldn't respect the duel and fight with all his power, then Mihawk gets trashed..
Thats it Shanks nerfed himself and only fought with his swordsmenship alone and even then Mihawk wasn't able get upper hand at all. That shows us sworsmenship is not end of all and there is greater pıwers in One piece world.
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King is not a swordman because the sword is not his main mains of atack...He employs a lot of gadgets like for example his sword who he can change its shape to break or "steal" someone else's sword, the gadgets that give spikes to his fist and he relies more on his natural tribe ability than anything else, all his named atacks dont even use the sword but his natural fire to do the atacks.

People like shanks and Roger wouldnt be swordmen either if they didnt rely on the sword to do literaly all the atacks we have seen them do, we never see them using gadgets or devil fruit abilities, soo there's literaly nothing in the story saying they are not swordmen, even their blades are graded blades and not just some nameless piece of iron like King's are.
King himself said he doesn't have a school or a syle and a school so we can assume to be condired a swordsmen you need those.
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It is spear attack though.
 
#74
Having a sword style automatically means you’re a swordsman
If one considers themselves a swordsman they’re a swordsman no matter how proficient they actually are

Yes mihawk has greater sword skill than shanks and shanks uses a sword. Same with Linlin
Doesn’t mean they’re swordsman unless they identify as swordsman or just have a sword style
Franky is not a swordsman despite being capable of using one
Did you read what he posted. It literally says he a Swordsman
 
#77
Doesn't matter. Being a swordsman is like being a fistfighter but harder. You can do everything the fistfighter can. But you do it with an extension object. And some even deliberately make it harder for you.

So yeah regarding your underlying question. Mihawk negs them all.
 
#78
If you use a sword as your main weapon and it is also the main tool for most of your offensive and defensive techniques, you are a swordsman, REGARDLESS of whether or not you add the "sword style" tag to your attacks.

Law - Law is the most complicated to classify, because approximately half of his attacks are using the sword and the other half without it. Furthermore, his akuma no mi has abilities that are completely foreign to the world of the sword, but he also benefits from using a sword to cut or divide his rivals, also, in his awakened form, which he mainly powers and his most powerful attacks are with the sword.

Hyouzou - For albino, Hyouzou is not a swordsman, since he does not use the "sword style"


Kyros - Another character who, for Albino, is not a swordsman, since he never mentioned being a swordsman and the only technique we saw him use is called "Trueno bastard". No "sword style"


BM - As I have found, BM has approximately 16 techniques, of all of them, only 2 or 3 are using the sword. And furthermore, even when blocking or defending himself, she barely uses it or on no occasion do we see him do it. Everything else is punches, lightning attacks and fire.


King - Similar to BM. Most of his attacks do not involve the use of the sword, he uses fists, kicks, the power of his akuma no mi, the power of his race, flames and lava, etc.

 
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