General & Others When does a weapon become a sword and a man a swordsman?

[ImmaIvanoM]

If you look closely since the return of the timeskip Oda has establish that to win a fight a swordsman have to have a stronger Haki than his oppenent.
Zoro who is overall stronger than Pica could not have beat him if his Haki was weaker.
And other pint of your haki is weaker than your opponent, your weapon get cut (i.e Zoro vs Hyozou, Zoro vs Apoo, Zoro vs Kamazo, Zoro vs King)

If a swordsman does not have a stronger Haki than his opppent he cannot hurt him and thus he cannot defeat him.

This isn’t a blanket rule. Yet Haki determines your AP and Durability of your swords but what about speed? Endurance? Agility? Hax?

Haki is the overwhelming determinant in fights because Oda is lazy and when he dies t want to think about fights, he yada yadas it to Haki. As demonstrated by the horrible Zoro vs king fight where Oda just gives Zoro CoC for the sake of ending the fight while forgetting to include the fact that King is invincible and Zoro never found a way to overcome it

 

[MonsterKaido]

All this cope because people can't accept mihawk > Shanks

 

[Royal Kick]

Bro talks about identifying as a swordsman as if it was like being transgender or non-binary.

The fact Zoro defeated King despite him barely using a sword should tell you everything you need to know. He only had a sword because he was Zoro's opponent in the first place. And he didn't consider himself a swordsman because he didn't completely rely on his sword and could fight without it, not because he didn't have a "sword style". Zoro still surpassed and defeated him in the end, so it's a moot point. He's still a swordsman in the broader sense of the term and that's what really matters.

At the same time all those weapons can be used as swords depending on the wielder

A scythe which isn’t a sword can be used as a sword as shown by zoro

Nekomamushi with his claws but obviously not all claws are swords

No, it just means scythes and claws do the exact same thing as swords, which is cutting/stabbing.

 

[Gaimon The Pirate]

A sword is a sword if it fits an agenda, otherwise it's an haki antenna

 

[Rootbeer]

Sword skill is not the same as “sword style”

Sword skill is basically anything anyone does with a sword. This includes The Vivre card directly saying Zoro’s KoH is a sword skill, so Zoro’s CoC abilities are counted as Zoro’s sword skills

And yes that means Xebec’s “shockwaves” and Shanks’ Kamusari and Brook’s Music, freezing, and fencing abilities are all sword skills. Yes Brook directly says his music attacks are his “Swordmanship”. This also means Kin’emon and Zoro’s fire abilities are also sword skills. As in producing fire from thin air is a sword skill.

And of course Zoro’s Ashura which makes no sense and has never been explained anywhere in the manga and no other character including top tiers has anything even slightly similar to it. This is also a sword skill

Yes.. I'm claiming that Sword Skills doesn't make a Swordsman, what makes a Swordsman is a Sword Style..

Unless the user claim himself that he's a Swordsman..

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

what makes a Swordsman is a Sword Style

Except Brook exists to disprove that. and Tashigi.

 

[Rootbeer]

Except Brook exists to disprove that. and Tashigi.

Well as i said with Brook, i think his Sword Style is Humming Style..

Didn't Tashigi name herself a Swordsman, Swordswoman.. She state she had a '' Real Sword Duel '' with Zoro in Loguetown so that implies she's a Swordsman.. Zoro and Law said she was a Swordsman too.. She may not have a Style yet, she's still growing..

 

[Terra Arseid7]

Except Brook exists to disprove that. and Tashigi.

And Kyros and Hyouzou

And of course, sanji is not a kickman, since he does not have a kicking style. Shanks is not a hakiman, as he does not have a haki style. And so with everyone.

 

[HA001]

Well as i said with Brook, i think his Sword Style is Humming Style..

Didn't Tashigi name herself a Swordsman, Swordswoman.. She state she had a '' Real Sword Duel '' with Zoro in Loguetown so that implies she's a Swordsman.. Zoro and Law said she was a Swordsman too.. She may not have a Style yet, she's still growing..

So why was shanks having sword duels with mihawk stated to ruthlessly compete to sharpen their swords ?

 

[Rootbeer]

So why was shanks having sword duels with mihawk stated to ruthlessly compete to sharpen their swords ?

I been saying Shanks is a Swordsman.. But now he must have a Sword Style too..

 

[L57]

I been saying Shanks is a Swordsman.. But now he must have a Sword Style too..

He does
Roger s style

 

[Rootbeer]

He does
Roger s style

Perhaps but..

Named attack =/= Sword Style

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

Well as i said with Brook, i think his Sword Style is Humming Style..

And again, I’m not taking your headcanon as fact

 

[Rootbeer]

And again, I’m not taking your headcanon as fact

Why won't you accept my headcanon, everything we talk about One Piece on this forum is headcanon..

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

Why won't you accept my headcanon, everything we talk about One Piece on this forum is headcanon..

Not me. I don’t use headcanon as fact… I especially never use headcanon to somehow make retroactive conclusions about the story

for example when I say Mihawk is the strongest swordsman in the world, it’s because that’s what the manga says

it’s everyone else who adds “But maybe he isn’t really” as if anyone in the manga has ever doubted it

 

[Rootbeer]

Not me. I don’t use headcanon as fact… I especially never use headcanon to somehow make retroactive conclusions about the story

for example when I say Mihawk is the strongest swordsman in the world, it’s because that’s what the manga says

it’s everyone else who adds “But maybe he isn’t really” as if anyone in the manga has ever doubted it

Why you're going back to headcanon as fact when i said it was speculation.. All One Piece discussion is speculation.. You believe Zoro has AdCoC, that's speculation..

 

[vikas]

If you can perform circumcision with a sword you become s swordsman if failed you no longer are a man

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

Why you're going back to headcanon as fact when i said it was speculation.. All One Piece discussion is speculation.. You believe Zoro has AdCoC, that's speculation..

I’m the one who forced you to admit that your headcanon was speculation. You brought it up as fact first

Zoro having AdvCoC isn’t speculation. it’s a fact. It’s a fact in the manga from both statements and on panel feats. And it’s literally described as such in Zoro’s Vivre card

 

[Rootbeer]

I’m the one who forced you to admit that your headcanon was speculation. You brought it up as fact first

It's my Conqueror's Haki, i express myself in affirmatives..

Zoro having AdvCoC isn’t speculation. it’s a fact. It’s a fact in the manga from both statements and on panel feats. And it’s literally described as such in Zoro’s Vivre card

If someone can come up with an alternative logical counter, then it's not a Fact..

Vivre Cards aren't Manga Canon and CoC =/= AdCoC..

You literally can't tell me why it couldn't be CoA..

 

[Terra Arseid7]

It's my Conqueror's Haki, i express myself in affirmatives..


If someone can come up with an alternative logical counter, then it's not a Fact..

Vivre Cards aren't Manga Canon and CoC =/= AdCoC..

You literally can't tell why it couldn't be CoA..

I don't know who is more retarded, Lerkan or you xD
I sincerely hope that you are a character and you don't mean all this