General & Others When does a weapon become a sword and a man a swordsman?
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TCB is factually so much better than VIZ, correct
You will learn. You literally joined yesterday. You will learn as time goes on.
In fact here’s an example from this chapter, in the panel where the narrator explains what Xebec’s fighting style is… check what TCB and Viz say, they use different words… And check on this forum what the Japanese text says… In fact let me help you
https://x.com/sandman_AP/status/194...46958853339500587|twgr^|twcon^s1_c10&ref_url=
I will not go tracking down every single one of these because they are too many and after a while of being here, you will realize why it’s better to not blanket trust viz for shit
anyway, I presented you with the TCB translation of what Loki said and you saying “But it’s not the ViZ” isn’t a point worth anything… Bring the Japanese Raws if you want to make a case
You will learn. You literally joined yesterday. You will learn as time goes on.
In fact here’s an example from this chapter, in the panel where the narrator explains what Xebec’s fighting style is… check what TCB and Viz say, they use different words… And check on this forum what the Japanese text says… In fact let me help you
https://x.com/sandman_AP/status/194...46958853339500587|twgr^|twcon^s1_c10&ref_url=
I will not go tracking down every single one of these because they are too many and after a while of being here, you will realize why it’s better to not blanket trust viz for shit
anyway, I presented you with the TCB translation of what Loki said and you saying “But it’s not the ViZ” isn’t a point worth anything… Bring the Japanese Raws if you want to make a case
I don’t understand why you think making up a headcanon statement about “Kitetsu” is somehow a rebuttal… Dude, Zoro used kitetsu on Kaido before remember? Why didn’t he manage to cut Kaido at the start of the roof right if Kitetsu was the answer.
I’m not deflecting. I’m seemingly now lecturing you on the importance of facts and why you should not place your headcanon above what’s stated in the manga
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I’m not deflecting. I’m seemingly now lecturing you on the importance of facts and why you should not place your headcanon above what’s stated in the manga
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And that’s the problem with VIZ
this is the big problem you will learn to realize about Stephen Paul (the Viz translator) he has a problem with “Paraphrasing” and “formalizing”
He thinks it’s better if one piece is translated in a more “formal” way than it’s written by Oda so he is notorious for “paraphrasing” Oda’s words. In Japanese Oda used a specific word that means a specific thing but just like you, Stephen is fine using a completely different word for his translation for the sake of formality and if they words seem “close enough” to the words Oda actually used.
he does this, FOR EVERYTHING. For Technical terms like the ones in this example, for jokes, for exposition, for everything. If Stephen can find a “close enough” formal version of Oda’s direct words, he will choose to “paraphrase” all the time.
Anyway, if you want to get back to the Loki argument, then as I said, find something better than “The Viz said something different”
So why didn’t Kitetsu cut Kaido in chapter 1001 when Zoro used it on him then?
Until you learn what a fact is, we will keep going
this is the big problem you will learn to realize about Stephen Paul (the Viz translator) he has a problem with “Paraphrasing” and “formalizing”
He thinks it’s better if one piece is translated in a more “formal” way than it’s written by Oda so he is notorious for “paraphrasing” Oda’s words. In Japanese Oda used a specific word that means a specific thing but just like you, Stephen is fine using a completely different word for his translation for the sake of formality and if they words seem “close enough” to the words Oda actually used.
he does this, FOR EVERYTHING. For Technical terms like the ones in this example, for jokes, for exposition, for everything. If Stephen can find a “close enough” formal version of Oda’s direct words, he will choose to “paraphrase” all the time.
Anyway, if you want to get back to the Loki argument, then as I said, find something better than “The Viz said something different”
So why didn’t Kitetsu cut Kaido in chapter 1001 when Zoro used it on him then?
Until you learn what a fact is, we will keep going
It’s exactly what you said, it’s “close enough”. For the reason you think “Sword attack” is close enough to “Swordsmanship” to not matter is the reason why Stephen isn’t fired. Because a casual reader who isn’t like us that discusses it would not be confused by Stephen changing these words. They are close enough
also Oda and the Jump editors don’t understand English so they can’t fact check anything
I can’t say that you and all the viz readers technically misunderstand the narrative flow and structure of the story in a general sense from reading Stephen, he’s not that bad.
But you’re definitely missing out on a the more minute details. We all are. All of us English readers are missing out on details. So that’s why it’s better to use multiple translations (including even Stephens) and consult independent translators like Sandman and Puck (who is on this forum) and more.
Just know, for the sake of internet discussions, just saying “Viz said this” isn’t good enough. It’s fine as one source but not the “Ultimate source that silences every other source”
also Oda and the Jump editors don’t understand English so they can’t fact check anything
I can’t say that you and all the viz readers technically misunderstand the narrative flow and structure of the story in a general sense from reading Stephen, he’s not that bad.
But you’re definitely missing out on a the more minute details. We all are. All of us English readers are missing out on details. So that’s why it’s better to use multiple translations (including even Stephens) and consult independent translators like Sandman and Puck (who is on this forum) and more.
Just know, for the sake of internet discussions, just saying “Viz said this” isn’t good enough. It’s fine as one source but not the “Ultimate source that silences every other source”
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Why would Kizaru need to say anything. Everybody knows Luffy has CoC. Just because he learned to use CoC a new way doesn't mean every single character need to comment on it. Luffy knew Zoro had CoC and he didn't say anything.
Luffy not using CoC with snakeman or other attacks doesn't mean anything. You still haven't provided proof that was CoA.
Zoro said he would release all his haki.
Zoro's words: what do I do? I can only appease it if I keep going all out with my haki, but that will kill me! No... This is how it's meant to be!
There you go. Like I said just read the manga.
The scene showed us Zoro subconsciously release and coated his swords with CoC. Remember, Wano was about readers learning things can be coated with CoC. Look at the indicators:
- Zoro was releasing and coating his swords with all his haki.
- his swords are coated in lightning, which is used to show a character is using ACoC.
- we see characters lose consciousness from the lightning that coated of his swords.
- King asked Zoro if he wanted to be a king (conqueror).
- we have seen Zoro release overwhelming CoA haki multiple times and lightning has never been shown with his CoA.
- flames mean overwhelming CoA while lightning means CoC.
You keep bringing up Ace scene like that scene is the same. If not, it's a very different. Ace scene was about saving his friends. Zoro scene was about coating his swords with haki.
Luffy not using CoC with snakeman or other attacks doesn't mean anything. You still haven't provided proof that was CoA.
Zoro said he would release all his haki.
Zoro's words: what do I do? I can only appease it if I keep going all out with my haki, but that will kill me! No... This is how it's meant to be!
There you go. Like I said just read the manga.
The scene showed us Zoro subconsciously release and coated his swords with CoC. Remember, Wano was about readers learning things can be coated with CoC. Look at the indicators:
- Zoro was releasing and coating his swords with all his haki.
- his swords are coated in lightning, which is used to show a character is using ACoC.
- we see characters lose consciousness from the lightning that coated of his swords.
- King asked Zoro if he wanted to be a king (conqueror).
- we have seen Zoro release overwhelming CoA haki multiple times and lightning has never been shown with his CoA.
- flames mean overwhelming CoA while lightning means CoC.
You keep bringing up Ace scene like that scene is the same. If not, it's a very different. Ace scene was about saving his friends. Zoro scene was about coating his swords with haki.
Why would Kizaru need to say anything. Everybody knows Luffy has CoC. Just because he learned to use CoC a new way doesn't mean every single character need to comment on it. Luffy knew Zoro had CoC and he didn't say anything.
Luffy not using CoC with snakeman or other attacks doesn't mean anything. You still haven't provided proof that was CoA.
Zoro said he would release all his haki.
Zoro's words: what do I do? I can only appease it if I keep going all out with my haki, but that will kill me! No... This is how it's meant to be!
There you go. Like I said just read the manga.
The scene showed us Zoro subconsciously release and coated his swords with CoC. Remember, Wano ws about us readers learning things can be coated with CoC. Looking at indicators:
- Zoro was releasing and coating his swords with all his haki.
- his swords are coated lightning, which is used to show a character's using ACoC.
- we see characters lose consciousness from the lightning that coated of his swords
- King asked Zoro if he wanted to be a king (conqueror)
- we have seen Zoro release overwhelming CoA haki multiple times and lightning has never been shown with his CoA.
You keep bringing up Ace scene like that scene is the same. If not, it's very different. Ace was about saving his friends. Zoro scene was about coating his swords with haki.
Luffy not using CoC with snakeman or other attacks doesn't mean anything. You still haven't provided proof that was CoA.
Zoro said he would release all his haki.
Zoro's words: what do I do? I can only appease it if I keep going all out with my haki, but that will kill me! No... This is how it's meant to be!
There you go. Like I said just read the manga.
The scene showed us Zoro subconsciously release and coated his swords with CoC. Remember, Wano ws about us readers learning things can be coated with CoC. Looking at indicators:
- Zoro was releasing and coating his swords with all his haki.
- his swords are coated lightning, which is used to show a character's using ACoC.
- we see characters lose consciousness from the lightning that coated of his swords
- King asked Zoro if he wanted to be a king (conqueror)
- we have seen Zoro release overwhelming CoA haki multiple times and lightning has never been shown with his CoA.
You keep bringing up Ace scene like that scene is the same. If not, it's very different. Ace was about saving his friends. Zoro scene was about coating his swords with haki.
Zoro said going all out with his haki. Not using all his haki.
Scene showed Zoro Koed fodders with CoC by accident. It doesn't show Zoro coats his swords with CoC you don't have statements to back it.
Lighting doesn't mean CoC it's excessive haki.
Yeah lost consciousness from accidentally releasing CoC like kid Ace.
King asked that because Zoro released CoC not because Zoro coated his swords with CoC lol I doubt King even knew what CoC coating was.
Why can't Ace scene be the same Ace did not know he had CoC just like Zoro lol both released CoC not knowing they had it the purpose was irrelevant.
Come on, that's enough trolling for tonight. Everybody know you're a secondary account who's still coping over the new swordsmanship information we.
At this point you just make yourself look foolish. Take it L and move on like the rest.
You deny manga facts and Zoro using ACoC won't change anything.
At this point you just make yourself look foolish. Take it L and move on like the rest.
You deny manga facts and Zoro using ACoC won't change anything.
You cannot explain why Kizaru had poker face from supposed CoC base Luffy kick while Kizaru called non CoC attacks of Snakeman powerfull stuffs lol.
You cannot show me the statement that Zoro coated his swords with CoC. All you have is fodders got knocked out which doesn't help your case because Zoro could have released his CoC by accident.
I deny headcannon that Zoro Koed fodders because he coated his swords with CoC (something never supported by the manga).
I deny that lightning streak is CoC when base Luffy also had it and Kizaru gave more praise to non CoC Snakeman attacks lol.
Just 1 statement from the manga where Zoro can coat his swords with CoC and you're done guess I put too much hope since you kept failing lol.
You cannot show me the statement that Zoro coated his swords with CoC. All you have is fodders got knocked out which doesn't help your case because Zoro could have released his CoC by accident.
I deny headcannon that Zoro Koed fodders because he coated his swords with CoC (something never supported by the manga).
I deny that lightning streak is CoC when base Luffy also had it and Kizaru gave more praise to non CoC Snakeman attacks lol.
Just 1 statement from the manga where Zoro can coat his swords with CoC and you're done guess I put too much hope since you kept failing lol.
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