Character Discussion Where does this idea that Law is the new gen Whitebeard come from?

[Cozy Sofa]

I'm still betting on Kidd being the new WB. Law is great but he doesn't fit the bill for me. Let's see if he is totally out of the picture or if his return post Shanks will be marvelous.

 

[mly90]

It has been a while since we saw such a one sided poll kurohige really crashed low stocks

http://imgur.com/a/3u5qD2F

 

[Just a member]

Immortal surgery is literally the only chance Luffy has of not being dead eos

Don't forget his plot power, he lost 4 or 5 times to Kaido, even literally died to him, yet in the end he was the winner.

 

[TheKnightOfTheSea]

OP fans and their forced nonsensical parallels

 

[grey matter]

I know you are not a hardcore zorofan trying to foce it, i just dont see it. But even if i approached this from a role aspect:
What was really, in the story WBs role:
- Clearly had low ambitions, which the story even draw attention is, for how strong a guy he is from the begining, "just" wanting a family, depicting him as one of the few top tiers that are not seeking power or wanting to stand on top (directly oppose to mihawk and kinda also zoro)
- Was measured and analytical, he wanted not even 1 other Conqueror in his crew after the disband of rocks (again, mihawk has no crew and zoro is again a DIRECT opposite wanting a headstrong guy like luffy like himself while him being a crew member). Etablishing as a captain unlike the others that disbanded from rocks
- He was impressed by oden that he gave his ambition to leave wano for a woman. Again his role was etablished different than the rest

I could go on but the end point is WB story was to be a counter balance to the traditional captains and strong guys. Just like for example Garp is a "silly" marine at the end of the day with his own way of justice that is way more alligned with the "good guys". Coby can cry all he wants but that is also true to Coby (and also smoker and thats why people also bring him up as the next garp)
Mihawk, and by extension Zoro, do not only have not that role they are LITERAL opposites. They are the straight top tier/future top tier guys WB role in the story are. Like you can feel free to disagree but thats my point and i dont think you are not gonna change that. Its how i read the story every since WB at Marineford when it was released.

I think the issue is also (and i think thats the main issue) people, like law, or some zoro fans, want the Whitebeard parallel not because of whitebeard but because of the WSM Title. However obviously someone could be WSM without being at all like whitebeard neither in role nor personality. Its not like the previous WSS (if there was probally) just like mihawk, Ryuma for example clearly wasnt at all.
Thats why im saying if there is WSM it gonna be stated in the story rather than guessing.

Meanwhile, a straight whitebeard parallel is not yet shown in the story yet. I even heavily disagree with Kidd even if we take out all battle related stuff, Kidds role in the new gen is not like WB at all imo. I actually would say between Law and Kidd, Law is actually more akin to WB function

It's just a matter of perspective I suppose.

For me, it's the moreso (but not only) the role that is played, while for you give personality more weight that I do.
I can get that, since Roger pretty much became a Luffy clone in persona in oden flashback, while he seemed to be similar but different and darker pre TS. We know why Oda did it (to force parallels via persona cause there is massive disconnect in fighting styles), leading to Gold Roger vs Gol D Roger memes.

When looked at things from a roles perspective, it would become easier to see why many (including me and even some youtubers like Morj) thought it was going to be Kid, at least pre Wano raid.
Personality isn't there, Kid is extremely ambitious and violent, WB wasn't. But he had a true portrayal with Luffy unlike Law, which unfortunately was completely abandoned by Oda by the time raid started.

Let me just ask you this question though, to show where I'm coming from.
In mid gen, who is Zoro's parallel?
- Is it Ben Beckman, who is the partner type RHM of Shanks who is close to Shanks in power and authority; i.e, essentially the mid gen Rayleigh ?
- Is it Mihawk, who is WSS and the one Zoro is trying to surpass?

Ben Beckman fits the role. Mihawk fits the dream. Neither of them fits the personality for Zoro.
But they both have at least some portrayal with Zoro, right?

This is what @HA001 is also alluding to:

Spoiler

That's the point on luffy. He's the roger whose got the wb of his gen on his side the shanks that has mihawk on his side.
The world's strongest.

I read your post.
There won't be wb just like roger isn't the same as Shanks isn't the same as luffy.
There's always a strawhat and a worlds strongest who are the rivals in power of every gen.
As always luffys strongest power is making the only one who can rival him join his side.

There is no 1:1 comparison between anyone.
There are just similarities. We can always find dissimilarities if we try to find them, because they aren't meant to be the same, they are meant to just have similarities.

Zoro isn't just meant to be another Rayleigh, he's that and something more.
Isn't Mihawk a bit more special than Ben Beckman? Ben Beckman is pretty much the mid gen Rayleigh, partner type RHM of Shanks. Mihawk is the friendly rival with whom Shanks had many duels without winners, and have drinks together as equals.

Zoro has portrayal with both Mihawk and Ben Beckmen in the mid gen.

I don't think there is any 1:1 parallel of WB in current era. BB is an anti WB so he can be argued as one who is reverse WB for now.

In terms of "family" thing Katakuri though he is no where near as powerful as WB.

Law just like WB has broken and one of the most powerful DF. Law's awakening can create shockwaves and has big AOE attacks like gura gura no mi.

I agree. There is no clear 1:1 parallel of WB in new gen.

What about mid gen? Does Shanks/Mihawk fit the Roger/WB relationship?

Disconnect Zoro from the equation all together.

 

[JoNdule]

Law is more like Oden in a way that he's not a SHP but he will sail with Luffy to Laugh Tale

Xebec : Teach
WB : Teach, Kid
Shiki : Kid
Oden : Yamato, (also Zoro, Law)
Garp : Koby
Ray : Zoro
Gaban : Sanji

 

[ShishioIsBack]

That’s good to hear little sis, just be consistent with it. How does it feel knowing that Coby will surpass EoS Zoro and Midgawk just like Garp taking a dump on any of Ray’s feats btw?

Rayleigh stomps Garp but that's a whole different story but Coby will never surpass current Zoro. He will surely be stronger than EoS Law.

 

[Blazing Lion]

It's zoro.

World strongest title

Bandana

Saijos

Acoc

Not interested in being king of the pirates

Add the wounds on the back thing too

 

[KageFumi]

Zoro is. The Strongest.

 

[Vergil]

Doubt Whitebeard ever got his ass kicked like Law's was by Blackbeard.

 

[zenox]

Proof that Luffy can stomp Kidd or Law?

serious luffy hard stomps kidd or law

 

[Kōri no kokyū]

Kidd is more likely Shiki , but Law has whatsoever no similarities to Whitebeard.

Zoro holds more Similarity to Whitebeard than law lol.

 

[kekaro]

It's just a matter of perspective I suppose.

For me, it's the moreso (but not only) the role that is played, while for you give personality more weight that I do.
I can get that, since Roger pretty much became a Luffy clone in persona in oden flashback, while he seemed to be similar but different and darker pre TS. We know why Oda did it (to force parallels via persona cause there is massive disconnect in fighting styles), leading to Gold Roger vs Gol D Roger memes.

When looked at things from a roles perspective, it would become easier to see why many (including me and even some youtubers like Morj) thought it was going to be Kid, at least pre Wano raid.
Personality isn't there, Kid is extremely ambitious and violent, WB wasn't. But he had a true portrayal with Luffy unlike Law, which unfortunately was completely abandoned by Oda by the time raid started.

Let me just ask you this question though, to show where I'm coming from.
In mid gen, who is Zoro's parallel?
- Is it Ben Beckman, who is the partner type RHM of Shanks who is close to Shanks in power and authority; i.e, essentially the mid gen Rayleigh ?
- Is it Mihawk, who is WSS and the one Zoro is trying to surpass?

Ben Beckman fits the role. Mihawk fits the dream. Neither of them fits the personality for Zoro.
But they both have at least some portrayal with Zoro, right?

This is what @HA001 is also alluding to:

There is no 1:1 comparison between anyone.
There are just similarities. We can always find dissimilarities if we try to find them, because they aren't meant to be the same, they are meant to just have similarities.

Zoro isn't just meant to be another Rayleigh, he's that and something more.
Isn't Mihawk a bit more special than Ben Beckman? Ben Beckman is pretty much the mid gen Rayleigh, partner type RHM of Shanks. Mihawk is the friendly rival with whom Shanks had many duels without winners, and have drinks together as equals.

Zoro has portrayal with both Mihawk and Ben Beckmen in the mid gen.



I agree. There is no clear 1:1 parallel of WB in new gen.

What about mid gen? Does Shanks/Mihawk fit the Roger/WB relationship?

Disconnect Zoro from the equation all together.

I just think they are not many parallels in the old grn to begin with to be spread
That's why I find the law forced and so also the Zoro one. A parallel needs to make story wise sense
If Rayleigh for example appeared as random guy and not as Roger RHM no one would say it would be a parallel. They are other characters in one piece that you can find with more similarities especially in personality
My personal theory is the next parallels of the sh, if they are some, are probably in the void century

 

[park_min young]

serious luffy hard stomps kidd or law

What are you showing me here? The speed difference? How is that fair when Law never got another chance to fight Kaido again?

Bajrang Gun and Puncture Wille are comparable in DC at the very least though.

I can argue the same for Zoro, has Zoro ever fought somebody on serious Kaido’s level for an extended period? He also can’t react to TB nvm drunk mode TB. You need FS for that, nothing else was proven to work on-panel.

Kid and Law fought someone (AND won) who’s portrayed as close to Kaido’s level at least. Law fought Blackbeard for an extended period and got all the brownie points there.

I mean we don’t even know that, if we go by bounties then Shanks is just a hair stronger. And that’s the only thing we can reliably go for.

That’s also besides the point. Kidd’s showing doesn’t cancel out all the good things Law showed such as being paralleled as a yonko-tier figure via the marines’ comments. Those exact same lines were only used in Shanks/WB meeting 700+ chapters ago.

Hyped up to the moon, Auger called in for a retreat. Keep in mind that Auger doesn’t respect Ace nor the Gorosei in his interactions. Law’s bounty was literally vindicated through Doc Q’s comments as if Oda was personally talking to the downplayers. All of this goes to moot because of some other guy’s showing? That’s like a dozen good portrayal cancelled out by 1 bad showing that wasn’t even his...

Big Mom getting memed on by Franky means all yonkos gets memed on by Franky. The OG yonkos have nigh-equal portrayal, they’re in a deadlock.

No, Luffy won’t be able to stomp either 1v1 based on how Oda treats him. You just saw him constantly still get treated as the underdog post-Wano.

If you‘re arguing for the height of what Luffy and Kaido showed in Wano then I‘m not even sure if Mihawk can beat that feat-wise never mind current Zoro.

 

[Kōri no kokyū]

I can argue the same for Zoro, has Zoro ever fought somebody on serious Kaido’s level for an extended period? He also can’t react to TB nvm drunk mode TB. You need FS for that, nothing else was proven to work on-panel.

How is this even fair?
Zoro was literally 1 HP , Broken bones and almost passed out and yet tanked TB and pass out only on sanji.

 

[park_min young]

How is this even fair?
Zoro was literally 1 HP , Broken bones and almost passed out and yet tanked TB and pass out only on sanji.

It’s not fair, that’s what I’m talking about
Endured yes, but still no evidence that he can react to it. Only Luffy was the only one who ever dodged a Bagua because Luffy is the only who got to fight Kaido for a period of time. I guess Yamato can react to it but she used a bagua herself, she didn’t really dodge it like Luffy.

 

[Kōri no kokyū]

It’s not fair, that’s what I’m talking about
Endured yes, but still no evidence that he can react to it. Only Luffy was the only one who ever dodged a Bagua because Luffy is the only who got to fight Kaido for a period of time. I guess Yamato can react to it but she used a bagua herself, she didn’t really dodge it like Luffy.

Luffy didn't reacted to it either tbh.
He got smacked. Even with FS.

 

[Lor D. Coast]

Law?

 

[Buusatan94]

And there isn't any parallel between Kid and Shiki either.

 

[zenox]

What are you showing me here? The speed difference? How is that fair when Law never got another chance to fight Kaido again?

Why does that matter when law went through 0 PUs , what will a second chance do ?

Bajrang Gun and Puncture Wille are comparable in DC at the very least though.

Dr zoro’s sanzen sekai has more DC than kamusari , doesn’t mean they are equal in AP

I can argue the same for Zoro, has Zoro ever fought somebody on serious Kaido’s level for an extended period? He also can’t react to TB nvm drunk mode TB.

Zoro is irrelevant to my point tho
I am only talking abt captain trio

Kid and Law fought someone (AND won) who’s portrayed as close to Kaido’s level at least. Law fought Blackbeard for an extended period and got all the brownie points there.

Kidd got one shotted by shanks and law can’t even perceive kaido’s attack , it doesn’t change scaling here .

Luffy was able to toy around an attack which rekt law , nika is on the same level as the guy who one shotted kidd .

There is no sort of relativity between luffy and these 2 .