If thats true Marco was a pigeon before he became a phoenix 
The best counter-argument for the theory remains the fact that Momonosuke's fruit didn't require any kind of awakening and started as a dragon.
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Not really. If the carp theory happens to be true Oda could say it's the same as with Luffy, who didn't really show the ability to willingly transform into somewhat a full Nika and/or hybrid Nika until awakening.
The best counter-argument for the theory remains the fact that Momonosuke's fruit didn't require any kind of awakening and started as a dragon.
The best counter-argument for the theory remains the fact that Momonosuke's fruit didn't require any kind of awakening and started as a dragon.
I think when i comes to mythical one they are not as normal zoans .
Look at luffy he is a hito hito modell nika mythical.
Oda stated if a normal human ate choppers hito hito no mi they would not change in apperance.
In luffys case he is human and got the properties of rubber and when he awakend he got a new form in form of nika.
Marco ate the bird bird model phoenix mthyical and became a phonex from the start.
Sengokh ate also a hito hito but also a modell buddah , we still don't know his other powers expect shockwaves but i would not mind if he is awakened to get access to the giant buddah .
Look at luffy he is a hito hito modell nika mythical.
Oda stated if a normal human ate choppers hito hito no mi they would not change in apperance.
In luffys case he is human and got the properties of rubber and when he awakend he got a new form in form of nika.
Marco ate the bird bird model phoenix mthyical and became a phonex from the start.
Sengokh ate also a hito hito but also a modell buddah , we still don't know his other powers expect shockwaves but i would not mind if he is awakened to get access to the giant buddah .
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- There is indeed consistency to this, Luffy's last 2 opponents were awakened, but things lead me to believe that KAIDOU is already very strong without his awakening, in the same way that WB is very strong and has never shown awakening either.
- They are fruits that are at the top of their respective classes, unlike Doffy's thread fruit and katakuri's Mochi fruit which at best are medium fruits and with awakening they can be relevant,Gura Gura and Uo Uo even without waking up already subdue these two fruits (yarn fruit and Mochi) even though they are awake.
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- They are fruits that are at the top of their respective classes, unlike Doffy's thread fruit and katakuri's Mochi fruit which at best are medium fruits and with awakening they can be relevant,Gura Gura and Uo Uo even without waking up already subdue these two fruits (yarn fruit and Mochi) even though they are awake.
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Saw the light after Sanji vs Queen ended. Luffy was struggling because he couldn't get past Doflamingo's awakening for 20 minutes until the headbutt + Leo Bazooka combo.
Objectively false. Kong Gun, Rhino Schneider and Culverin were against BASE Doffy. Leo Bazooka was the ONLY hit Luffy landed once Doflamingo brought in his awakening.
He couldn't hurt Luffy in BASE. Awakening is a different story, you aren't convincing me that Boundman chose to dodge non-hakified Building sized strings that he could've tanked if he wanted to while still passing out for days after the fight.
He wasn't pressured at all for 20 minutes once he used awakening. Dont wanna repeat myself check the prev reply.
This I agree with. Doffy didnt even hakify his strings during round 1, zero excuse for that outside of plot armor.
Please feel free to cope more just like how you contradict yourself in your own post with using BM as an example of top tier. Been saying the same shit since day1, ability checklist scaling is stupid and nonsensical.
Objectively false. Kong Gun, Rhino Schneider and Culverin were against BASE Doffy. Leo Bazooka was the ONLY hit Luffy landed once Doflamingo brought in his awakening.
He couldn't hurt Luffy in BASE. Awakening is a different story, you aren't convincing me that Boundman chose to dodge non-hakified Building sized strings that he could've tanked if he wanted to while still passing out for days after the fight.
He wasn't pressured at all for 20 minutes once he used awakening. Dont wanna repeat myself check the prev reply.
This I agree with. Doffy didnt even hakify his strings during round 1, zero excuse for that outside of plot armor.
Please feel free to cope more just like how you contradict yourself in your own post with using BM as an example of top tier. Been saying the same shit since day1, ability checklist scaling is stupid and nonsensical.
Yeah? How does thay disprove my point? Luffy needed thay Headbutt to break through Doffy's strings and catch him offguard (similar to how Zoro's Dragon Damnation caught King offguard) after 20 minutes of struggle.
It still contradicts Marco using Phoenix powers as a child, Orochi being able to use his transformations as soon as he got the fruit and the Fox who attacked Zoro being able to transform into their Zoan forms.
You can even use Momo's Dragon transformation for our counterpoint.
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It still contradicts Marco using Phoenix powers as a child, Orochi being able to use his transformations as soon as he got the fruit and the Fox who attacked Zoro being able to transform into their Zoan forms.
You can even use Momo's Dragon transformation for our counterpoint.
Yup, I am not dunking on these theories but if Oda somehow applies that logic then he would be entering the bs zone
Not even remotely comparable. Imagine having to eat a dfthat you turn into a fucking fish that can't use any extra abilities or even any dragon features that it's model suggests because he didn't awaken and will stay a fish till he awakens.
Keep pokemon out of this please.
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It's literally the same explanation we use when it comes to them having extra abilities lmao 
Keep pokemon out of this please.
Doffy even with awakening was cleaned in just a chapter. I just read the chap again and Doffy was clearly dominated even with awakening, yeah Doffy managed to stall but Luffy managed to dodge almost all the attacks and the moment he decided to finish it he broke Doffy defense and sent it flying.
If it was really a fight Luffy wouldn’t have stomped Doffy in a chapter, and that chapter wasn’t even really focused on them fighting. Like only 4/5 pages for the fight out of the 16/17.
But it’s not really the topic.
The point here is even if Doffy was dominated and didnt manage to win he didn’t use his secret weapon he still had in store without any reasons.
So it’s an argument for Kaido to have awakening even if he didn’t use it before and even if it was unreasonable not to do so
He was already pressured and angry
He didn’t land any real hit just took a huge beating earlier and became
just look how easy Cracker dealt with G4 or even Kata. Doffy was cleaned fast.
If it was really a fight Luffy wouldn’t have stomped Doffy in a chapter, and that chapter wasn’t even really focused on them fighting. Like only 4/5 pages for the fight out of the 16/17.
But it’s not really the topic.
The point here is even if Doffy was dominated and didnt manage to win he didn’t use his secret weapon he still had in store without any reasons.
So it’s an argument for Kaido to have awakening even if he didn’t use it before and even if it was unreasonable not to do so
He was already pressured and angry
He didn’t land any real hit just took a huge beating earlier and became
just look how easy Cracker dealt with G4 or even Kata. Doffy was cleaned fast.
