Controversial Which antagonist would yall say was in the right?
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I see where you're coming from but it's not exactly the same.
The US are supposedly requiered to court martial deserters even in war time. There's a possibility of the death penalty being applied but not always and not without trial.
Discipline is important, but Akainu remains a cold blooded murderer.
The US are supposedly requiered to court martial deserters even in war time. There's a possibility of the death penalty being applied but not always and not without trial.
Discipline is important, but Akainu remains a cold blooded murderer.
That's in peace time war time maximum punishment is death
Desertion carries a maximum punishment of dishonorable discharge, forfeiture of all pay, and confinement of five years. For desertion during a time of war, however, the death penalty may be applied (at the discretion of the court-martial).
https://www.findlaw.com/military/criminal-law/failure-to-report-for-duty-awol-and-other-charges.html#:~:text=Desertion carries a maximum punishment,of the court-martial).
Desertion carries a maximum punishment of dishonorable discharge, forfeiture of all pay, and confinement of five years. For desertion during a time of war, however, the death penalty may be applied (at the discretion of the court-martial).
https://www.findlaw.com/military/criminal-law/failure-to-report-for-duty-awol-and-other-charges.html#:~:text=Desertion carries a maximum punishment,of the court-martial).
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Nope. Desertion is something specific. You can check in this link.
If they burned down a village it would be considered a war crime in addition to the crime of desertion and treated as one additional charge that will add to the punishment.
If they burned down a village it would be considered a war crime in addition to the crime of desertion and treated as one additional charge that will add to the punishment.
Akainu killed his own men. That is a, "The end justifies the means." reasoning and it's flawed... obviously.
Magellan was right, though. He was just trying to be a good warden in one of the toughest prisons in the world. Both lapses in judgement and having episodes of psychosis make sense for that guy.
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Actually there is something wrong with that which you probably fail to understand- the cultural beliefs and values of the World Government do not actually include killing your men. That is largely considered unacceptable to most individuals. Akainu doing that meant that he was imposing his Sense of Justice on the other members of the World Government. It's likely an abuse of power according to the beliefs and values of the Ancient Kingdom which makes it apply more than ever in this story overall.
Akainu's Sense of Justice conforms to Absolute Justice. He does not discriminate between enemies, and he is relentless in giving out punishments. His men asking him if they could be spared from his madness is a clear indicator of his flawed character.
I'm sorry you boys can't figure this stuff out on your own... it requires reading comprehension lol
But basically... Luffy is eventually going to kick Akainu's ass for that specific reason. His Sense of Justice is fkn crazy. Luffy/JoyBoy would NEVER do that to his own men and every other Strawhat would agree that it's a deplorable act. In fact, we know what Luffy would do in such a situation. He's done it plenty of times before. When someone wants to switch sides, he just lets them go because they're following their dream. However, if their dream is wrong he is eventually going to treat them like any other enemy and defeat them and crush their dream. That's what his character's entire purpose is.
Magellan was right, though. He was just trying to be a good warden in one of the toughest prisons in the world. Both lapses in judgement and having episodes of psychosis make sense for that guy.
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Actually there is something wrong with that which you probably fail to understand- the cultural beliefs and values of the World Government do not actually include killing your men. That is largely considered unacceptable to most individuals. Akainu doing that meant that he was imposing his Sense of Justice on the other members of the World Government. It's likely an abuse of power according to the beliefs and values of the Ancient Kingdom which makes it apply more than ever in this story overall.
Akainu's Sense of Justice conforms to Absolute Justice. He does not discriminate between enemies, and he is relentless in giving out punishments. His men asking him if they could be spared from his madness is a clear indicator of his flawed character.
I'm sorry you boys can't figure this stuff out on your own... it requires reading comprehension lol
But basically... Luffy is eventually going to kick Akainu's ass for that specific reason. His Sense of Justice is fkn crazy. Luffy/JoyBoy would NEVER do that to his own men and every other Strawhat would agree that it's a deplorable act. In fact, we know what Luffy would do in such a situation. He's done it plenty of times before. When someone wants to switch sides, he just lets them go because they're following their dream. However, if their dream is wrong he is eventually going to treat them like any other enemy and defeat them and crush their dream. That's what his character's entire purpose is.
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We already creating headcanons about morality values of something that we only saw hints until now? But, about the WG, it is show plenty of times that Admirals and Vice Admirals have the power and the capability to decide to kill soldiers that fail to fullfil their duties, as well as civilians and pirates if they think it's in the escope of their duties. Kuzan was willing to kill Saulo (until it was show that he was alive), Akainu killed the deserters and was about to kill Coby as well in front of everyone for insubordination, as basic examples.
Those actions are much more medieval and actually very similar to how generals and leaders acted in ancient japan, china and korea. Akainu is considered more extreme but he has the power to take those decisions and it's accepted by his subordinates. You can even look at how everyone reacted when Akainu killed the civilians: no one acted as if he did something illegal or beyond his powers but most acted as if he was taking things too literally. The same happened when Coby tried to stop the war: Akainu took the decision to end his life in front of all the marines and no one acted as if he didn't had the right (but again everyone in universe acted and recognize that he can and will do everything for his justice).
Do you see Akainu trying to hide or worried about killing a navy soldier? Of course not, because he has that right. And frankly, it's even a light punishment. Try to research the origin of the word decimate.
Those actions are much more medieval and actually very similar to how generals and leaders acted in ancient japan, china and korea. Akainu is considered more extreme but he has the power to take those decisions and it's accepted by his subordinates. You can even look at how everyone reacted when Akainu killed the civilians: no one acted as if he did something illegal or beyond his powers but most acted as if he was taking things too literally. The same happened when Coby tried to stop the war: Akainu took the decision to end his life in front of all the marines and no one acted as if he didn't had the right (but again everyone in universe acted and recognize that he can and will do everything for his justice).
Do you see Akainu trying to hide or worried about killing a navy soldier? Of course not, because he has that right. And frankly, it's even a light punishment. Try to research the origin of the word decimate.
We already creating headcanons about morality values of something that we only saw hints until now? But, about the WG, it is show plenty of times that Admirals and Vice Admirals have the power and the capability to decide to kill soldiers that fail to fullfil their duties, as well as civilians and pirates if they think it's in the escope of their duties. Kuzan was willing to kill Saulo (until it was show that he was alive), Akainu killed the deserters and was about to kill Coby as well in front of everyone for insubordination, as basic examples.
Those actions are much more medieval and actually very similar to how generals and leaders acted in ancient japan, china and korea. Akainu is considered more extreme but he has the power to take those decisions and it's accepted by his subordinates. You can even look at how everyone reacted when Akainu killed the civilians: no one acted as if he did something illegal or beyond his powers but most acted as if he was taking things too literally. The same happened when Coby tried to stop the war: Akainu took the decision to end his life in front of all the marines and no one acted as if he didn't had the right (but again everyone in universe acted and recognize that he can and will do everything for his justice).
Do you see Akainu trying to hide or worried about killing a navy soldier? Of course not, because he has that right. And frankly, it's even a light punishment. Try to research the origin of the word decimate.
Those actions are much more medieval and actually very similar to how generals and leaders acted in ancient japan, china and korea. Akainu is considered more extreme but he has the power to take those decisions and it's accepted by his subordinates. You can even look at how everyone reacted when Akainu killed the civilians: no one acted as if he did something illegal or beyond his powers but most acted as if he was taking things too literally. The same happened when Coby tried to stop the war: Akainu took the decision to end his life in front of all the marines and no one acted as if he didn't had the right (but again everyone in universe acted and recognize that he can and will do everything for his justice).
Do you see Akainu trying to hide or worried about killing a navy soldier? Of course not, because he has that right. And frankly, it's even a light punishment. Try to research the origin of the word decimate.
Look.. you was the one that claimed that ''the cultural beliefs and values of the World Government do not actually include killing your men ''. The fact is that in the story Akainu was actually portrayed as acting in the limits of his powers and his actions and beliefs are what lead the marines to a new level of power. So, yes, Akainu was totally in the right in his actions and is not considered a war criminal in the One Piece universe and is even considered a good leader for the Marines.
I don't give a damn about your headcanons about Coby or the ancient kingdom.
I don't give a damn about your headcanons about Coby or the ancient kingdom.
I guess it would be this part.
What do you think he meant when he said the ideas of this country? It's not just the ideas about technology. It's ideas about culture.
What do you think he meant when he said the ideas of this country? It's not just the ideas about technology. It's ideas about culture.
It stops being headcanon when there is relevant information about it in the story, bro.
At that point, you're just making your own headcanon and avoiding clear indicators in the story regarding how you think it's going to end, but the story itself is giving you indicators about it and you're just not picking up on them.
It is indisputable that the Ancient Kingdom's ideals/cultural beliefs and values are integral to the story's success. I even showed a panel where that dude from Ohara explained why it was important and you're still trying to argue. Whatever.
At that point, you're just making your own headcanon and avoiding clear indicators in the story regarding how you think it's going to end, but the story itself is giving you indicators about it and you're just not picking up on them.
It is indisputable that the Ancient Kingdom's ideals/cultural beliefs and values are integral to the story's success. I even showed a panel where that dude from Ohara explained why it was important and you're still trying to argue. Whatever.
Are you retarded or just being obtuse on purpose?
To make things simple since you seem unable to understand even something basic: can you post a single panel where it's revealed what ''the Ancient Kingdom's ideals/cultural beliefs and values that are integral to the story's success.'' even ARE? You are acting as if we know what those details even are, when this is not true. That's why I stated that it's headcanon. You are judging Akainu by values that never were stated in the manga but you assume that are true, ergo, HEADCANON.
It's not that hard, man.
To make things simple since you seem unable to understand even something basic: can you post a single panel where it's revealed what ''the Ancient Kingdom's ideals/cultural beliefs and values that are integral to the story's success.'' even ARE? You are acting as if we know what those details even are, when this is not true. That's why I stated that it's headcanon. You are judging Akainu by values that never were stated in the manga but you assume that are true, ergo, HEADCANON.
It's not that hard, man.