Character Discussion Which portrayal will be better: Sanji 1v1 King/Queen or Zoro participation in the group fight against Kaido?
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Zoro will be stronger than Sanji at the end of the arc.
Sanji apex mid high tier / lowest high high tier if beating Queen. Solid high high tier if beating King.
While Zoro will fight in TEAM Kaido and Luffy will be the best among them and Kid and Law won't sit while doing nothing. So I have Zoro as low top tier post Wano but on the lower end of it, and with Enma he will have solid offense.
So no the gap won't be huge between Sanji and Zoro post Wano.
And having a great offense doesn't mean you are a top tier overall. In 1 vs 1 Kaido would beat Zoro to kingdom come.
Lets say current Zoro => EOS Sanji in term of offense. EOS Sanji will be >> in speed, mobility, maybe better invisibility, COO etc compared to current Zoro.
EOS Sanji beats current Zoro clean.
Sanji apex mid high tier / lowest high high tier if beating Queen. Solid high high tier if beating King.
While Zoro will fight in TEAM Kaido and Luffy will be the best among them and Kid and Law won't sit while doing nothing. So I have Zoro as low top tier post Wano but on the lower end of it, and with Enma he will have solid offense.
So no the gap won't be huge between Sanji and Zoro post Wano.
And having a great offense doesn't mean you are a top tier overall. In 1 vs 1 Kaido would beat Zoro to kingdom come.
Lets say current Zoro => EOS Sanji in term of offense. EOS Sanji will be >> in speed, mobility, maybe better invisibility, COO etc compared to current Zoro.
EOS Sanji beats current Zoro clean.
I hope you don't compare King/Queen who will be CURRENT Sanji opponent to EOS Sanji.
Sanji will beat Queen or King NOW. and he has at least 2 big fights after that : BB pirates, World gouv. So 2 times to push himself very high/extreme.
So EOS Sanji and Queen are different beasts lol. EOS Sanji punks Queen. SO Hybrid Kaido vs Queen and Hybrid Kaido vs EOS Sanji are two extremely different threads
Sanji will beat Queen or King NOW. and he has at least 2 big fights after that : BB pirates, World gouv. So 2 times to push himself very high/extreme.
So EOS Sanji and Queen are different beasts lol. EOS Sanji punks Queen. SO Hybrid Kaido vs Queen and Hybrid Kaido vs EOS Sanji are two extremely different threads
lmfao why wont you answer ?
so ?
compare eos sanji to current kaido then ?
can eos sanji take everything kaido has so far ?
can he fuck
can he take odens togen totska which is above all kaido has taken combined
can he fuck
so if he cant even come close to taking all what kaido has taken which is below odens togen totska which is equal or below whatever zoro uses to open up hybrid kaido
eos sanji will get massacred by eow zoro
exactly and all that is weaker than togen totska by a long way let alone what zoro will use to open hybrid kaido
so ?
compare eos sanji to current kaido then ?
can eos sanji take everything kaido has so far ?
can he fuck
can he take odens togen totska which is above all kaido has taken combined
can he fuck
so if he cant even come close to taking all what kaido has taken which is below odens togen totska which is equal or below whatever zoro uses to open up hybrid kaido
eos sanji will get massacred by eow zoro
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exactly and all that is weaker than togen totska by a long way let alone what zoro will use to open hybrid kaido
Love how you missed the BIG THING
Queen calls Sanji “Judges son”. He never even says Sanji’s name.
do you believe that Oda is a good writer who can do subtle writing? Is it in your imagination possible that Oda very intentionally makes sure that Queen identifies Sanji as this. Judge’s son.
That Oda is very subtly planting a very good source of animosity here between Sanji and and Queen simply by having Queen acknowledge Sanji as something Sanji would definitely hate to be called.
I mean is it possible that Oda actually knows a thing or two about great set up.
Anyway if you don’t think Oda can make subtle set up writing like this then there’s the more obvious shit like Queen is the second strongest, Queen and Sanji have the exact same reaction to Komurasaki’s death, Sanji is now a tech fighter and Queen is a tech fighter, Sanji’s opponents are always goof balls, yada yada... I’m sure you’ve heard all these before.
I’m just mostly interested here because you seem to think Oda has to do a lot to create animosity between Sanji and Queen yet as far as I can tell he already has. I thought every Sanji fan immediately recognized that having Queen only acknowledge Sanji as “Judge’s son” was actually very good writing from Oda to immediately create an almost philosophical conflict between the two.
but maybe you think this doesn’t matter. That Sanji clashing with King once is better written set up than this extremely subtle well written thing with Queen
Queen calls Sanji “Judges son”. He never even says Sanji’s name.
do you believe that Oda is a good writer who can do subtle writing? Is it in your imagination possible that Oda very intentionally makes sure that Queen identifies Sanji as this. Judge’s son.
That Oda is very subtly planting a very good source of animosity here between Sanji and and Queen simply by having Queen acknowledge Sanji as something Sanji would definitely hate to be called.
I mean is it possible that Oda actually knows a thing or two about great set up.
Anyway if you don’t think Oda can make subtle set up writing like this then there’s the more obvious shit like Queen is the second strongest, Queen and Sanji have the exact same reaction to Komurasaki’s death, Sanji is now a tech fighter and Queen is a tech fighter, Sanji’s opponents are always goof balls, yada yada... I’m sure you’ve heard all these before.
I’m just mostly interested here because you seem to think Oda has to do a lot to create animosity between Sanji and Queen yet as far as I can tell he already has. I thought every Sanji fan immediately recognized that having Queen only acknowledge Sanji as “Judge’s son” was actually very good writing from Oda to immediately create an almost philosophical conflict between the two.
but maybe you think this doesn’t matter. That Sanji clashing with King once is better written set up than this extremely subtle well written thing with Queen
Each fighters their strengths. Sanji will be a speedster, and will have a top COO. He will obviously have more than decent AP and durability bt that were never his best asset.
And all out Kaido is stronger than EOS Sanji. Kaido is likely top 1 now. Sanji wont ever reach that. I have Kaido > Mihawk. So even EOS Zoro is not 100% guarantee to surpass all out current Kaido.
EOS Zoro can't take all attacks Kaido took this arc. Kaido is the apex tank : durability, recovery, maybe zoan awakening etc. No one in the crew will be at that level tanking wise even at EOS, maybe Luffy with haki and tankman.
Just have in mind that Sanji will have attacks strong enough to beat two ancient Zoans this arc. Queen is the biggest real animal + haki : this will be a great feat AP wise. And Sanji has 2 big fights to improve overall.
I see EOS Sanji being able to dance around Kaido. He will be strong enough to hurt him. Fast and COO enough to dodge a lot of his hits but between Kaido recovery, AP and durability Kaido will prevail.
And all out Kaido is stronger than EOS Sanji. Kaido is likely top 1 now. Sanji wont ever reach that. I have Kaido > Mihawk. So even EOS Zoro is not 100% guarantee to surpass all out current Kaido.
EOS Zoro can't take all attacks Kaido took this arc. Kaido is the apex tank : durability, recovery, maybe zoan awakening etc. No one in the crew will be at that level tanking wise even at EOS, maybe Luffy with haki and tankman.
Just have in mind that Sanji will have attacks strong enough to beat two ancient Zoans this arc. Queen is the biggest real animal + haki : this will be a great feat AP wise. And Sanji has 2 big fights to improve overall.
I see EOS Sanji being able to dance around Kaido. He will be strong enough to hurt him. Fast and COO enough to dodge a lot of his hits but between Kaido recovery, AP and durability Kaido will prevail.
Again how is being called Judge Son something that will distract Sanji from the greater plot. Drake called Sanji a Vinsmoke back at Yasu's funeral, and Sanji still literally didnt care to fight him. Sanji's focus is the scarbbards and helping them in some way will be his plotline. His plotline wont be due to Judge. It's highly inconsisent for Sanji to just getting super enraged and have a whole fight with Queen becuse he was called Judge's Son. Vitto, Drake and many other people constantly associate him with the Vins, and all he does is get angry. But he wouldnt get into a fight for something so dumb.
- Second Strongest doesnt correlate to Sanji's opponent
- Usopp was reffered as Kaku through the Ennies Lobby saga. Being similar to a villain doesnt mean they will be your fight. Heck Sanji has the Black theme/Skull outfit which is the same as King, Has fire powers which is the same ass King, Both can fly in Base and with their PUs, etc.
- Sanji is a martial artist. He doesnt know a thing about technilogy nor is he versed in it. For now he is using the RS to protect his friends. A more technically inclined person like Franky is better suited for Queen. Both are cyborgs after all.
- When it comes to major fights, Kuroobi and Jabra arent goofballs. And if you count everyone Sanji has ever defeated, plenty of them are not goofballs.
- Second Strongest doesnt correlate to Sanji's opponent
- Usopp was reffered as Kaku through the Ennies Lobby saga. Being similar to a villain doesnt mean they will be your fight. Heck Sanji has the Black theme/Skull outfit which is the same as King, Has fire powers which is the same ass King, Both can fly in Base and with their PUs, etc.
- Sanji is a martial artist. He doesnt know a thing about technilogy nor is he versed in it. For now he is using the RS to protect his friends. A more technically inclined person like Franky is better suited for Queen. Both are cyborgs after all.
- When it comes to major fights, Kuroobi and Jabra arent goofballs. And if you count everyone Sanji has ever defeated, plenty of them are not goofballs.
