Chapter Discussion Which SH member could have gone far WITHOUT becoming a SH

#1
As the title says, this is not a power-scaling thread... this is actually related about "Sailing and achieving the dream" type of journey.... WIthout becoming part of the SHs....

Which SH crewmember would have gone the farthest in achieving his/her goal if he/she didn't join the SHs?

I can guess some answers will say "No body will achieve their dream".... but EVEN SO, tell me who would be the CLOSEST in that case?

Also, if you would rank them, tell me your list:

Note: This naturally will exclude Luffy from this, so he's not counted since he's the captain and he's SH anyway LOL... So, the talk is only about members under him...

Let's discuss and have fun
 
#4
Zoro .He was the only one that was actively trying to achieve his dream before he met Luffy.

Usopp would remain a coward in his home town
Nami would remain with Arlong and never get to sail the world and draw maps
Sanji abandoned his dream to find all blue and would have gone on to become the head chef
Chopper would have never left drum and would have never made a cure of all diseases
Robin would have stayed with Crocodile and would have had no reason to travel the world and uncover the history
Franky would have stayed in w7 and never built a ship to sail the world
Brooke would have stayed in the triangle never to see the sunshine ever and never see lagoon
Jinbei would have stayed s a shichibukai or under a yonko to protect FM
 
#5
i think zoro is the only one who will get far without luffy, because he was the only with the strength and ambition to do something, and certainly you don't need a strong crew to become WSS.

I THINK sanji have the strength hut he doesn't have the motivation, and maybe nami can but she'll need to join a really strong crew for her to get far.
 
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MD Zolo

#10
Let's see now:

I think Zoro would have gone far without SHP. His goal doesn't relate to Laugh Tale,him finding Mihawk and getting an ass-whooping from him is not contingent on SHPs.

Sanji being a great cook is not contingent on joining SHP either. But to achieve his ambition, he definitely needed to join SHP.

Jinbei already went really far without SHP. Nothing else needs to be said.

Robin is one of the characters who is far closer to her goal with SHPs, that without. Nami would've achieved her goal with Arlong pirates though.

So, in a nutshell, Zoro and Jinbei would have gone far without SHPs. May be Nami too. Sanji would still be a great cook without SHPs, but wouldn't be able to reach his goal. Rest need SHP.
 
#12
Zoro and Robin.

People seems to forget that Robin was actively seeking for poneglyphs even before Luffy’s birth. She as shown a lot of resilience by travelling alone and survive a lot of betrayals. Working with Baroque Works was never an end goal but just a way to reach a poneglyph. She would probably had left the organization after Alabasta and resume a search for thé true story.

Zoro would ultimately lose himself and enter the Gran Line then the New World by pure accident.
 
#13
Zoro would still be in the East Blue for having perennally lost himself :3
or executed by Morgan/Helmeppo hahaha
He was tied as we saw!

My answer is Franky
I think not meeting SHs, wouldn't have brought up Robin to the plot in water 7

And although his past with his ships hurting Tom-san prevented him from building new ships

He still had SH money stolen, to get Adam wood to actually build the ship regardless... I think his character development would have happened regardless and the man to do so already exist on the island, Ice-berg san

Who would have told him to follow his dream eventually

And Franky could have stolen money from different pirates same as Stealing from Luffy

Doing so would make him ALREADY half way to achieve his goal

Meeting the right strong people to sail with to reach the ends of grandline is what would be difficult for him, but who knows, he might end up getting aknowledged by a Yonko crew and same as Toppi Roppo, he gets under the wing of a Yonko, and work for one... resulting in EASIER way to sail the grandline and achieve his dream
 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
#15
Zoro and Robin.

People seems to forget that Robin was actively seeking for poneglyphs even before Luffy’s birth. She as shown a lot of resilience by travelling alone and survive a lot of betrayals. Working with Baroque Works was never an end goal but just a way to reach a poneglyph. She would probably had left the organization after Alabasta and resume a search for thé true story.

Zoro would ultimately lose himself and enter the Gran Line then the New World by pure accident.
Would she not have died in the same situation lying to crocodile about the ponyglph though ?
 
#18
Zoro .He was the only one that was actively trying to achieve his dream before he met Luffy.

Usopp would remain a coward in his home town
Nami would remain with Arlong and never get to sail the world and draw maps
Sanji abandoned his dream to find all blue and would have gone on to become the head chef
Chopper would have never left drum and would have never made a cure of all diseases
Robin would have stayed with Crocodile and would have had no reason to travel the world and uncover the history
Franky would have stayed in w7 and never built a ship to sail the world
Brooke would have stayed in the triangle never to see the sunshine ever and never see lagoon
Jinbei would have stayed s a shichibukai or under a yonko to protect FM
Zoro was not going to achieve his goal. He was about to be executed by the govt. Its amazing how you showed how the others weren't going to achieve their dreams without Luffy's help but ignored Zoro needing Luffy's help too.
 
C

critical mindset

#19
Zoro. He chooses death over defeat. Sanji however would throw away his ambition as soon as his life is at stake.

Shows Sanji is not an impatient knuckle dragger, that he is prudent and possessed CoO all the way back at Baratie Arc to properly gauge Zoro’s and Mihawk’s power level to conclude it was a done deal for Zoro; unlike Zolo who has got no impulse control, Sanji can delay his gratification while Zoro who gets hot-headed and impulsive when he sees the price :goyea:
 
#20
Zoro would have kept to strive to become the best even if alone... yet or he died episode 2-3 aka Axe hand Morgan kills him or maybe the fact to strive for other people (like Mihawk says) helped him to become stronger than he was alone. Anyway it seems Mihawk manged to achieve the WSS lone wolf style so..

Nami had the problem that she was tied to Arlong and her village and that was difficult to shake off without a powerfull good samaritan type of guy. In any case Nami would have had to join a crew in order to be able to achieve her dream, she can read the weather but she needs protection, a ship willing to go wherever she wants to make her charts etc. so a whole crew willing to listen to ther and her dreams (byw when was the last time we saw Nami talk or work on her dream?).

Sanji would have stayed pretty much on the Baratie if another special crew didn't show up (and that had to be a special crew along with a special situation like Krieg), maybe in time he would have set sail alone to find the all blue but we don't know that. Most likely as soon as he found a woman willing to listen to him he would have set roots there and ended his voyage.

Usopp would have stayed in his village to be slaughtered by Kuro and friends, and if not I'm pretty sure his voyage would have been pretty short and with a tragic end. Usopp is somewhat of an hero but still a normal guy (who likes to talk big, and if you have not Luffy or Chopper in front of you but piratemoron#123 you are in trouble).

Chopper, he most likely would have stayed on his island along with Kureka if not for a special situation (see Sanji), yet let's say he wants to broad his knowledge and achieve his dream so much that he leaves his island he would have faced a massive wall called racism (be it by discrimination or wanting to sell him as a rare beast), a talking deer who can transform is for sure weird stuff. He alone, considering also how naive he is, would have neded up in Sabaody auction or directly in some noble zoo or something like this (even end with BM, who knows). Maybe he could avoid (but how much?) this racism wall by showing his amazing skills as a doctor which for sure are needed left and right but he should have at least the chance to show them which is not assured, not at all. Also unlike Usopp he can defend himself but up to a certain point (also again his naivety doesn't help).

Robin is smart, has survived on her own for decades even as a child and Aokiji stated that she would have been able to escape alone even from CP9 if she wanted to. Yet escape is different from achieving her dream. She maybe should hit her wall when she had to read the road poneglhyps aka steal them form yonkos. She could ally with them but just one and at that point she will be a bird in a golden cage, she will be even mroe precious than the road penglyphs for a yonko (ask BM) so live a good life but not be able to leave Wano/WCI. Maybe BB would give her mosre freedom, Shanks or the Revos could be the best alternatives yet (they think alike and also have the power Robin needs to go search for Poneglyphs and maybe are willing to lend her this power).

Franky, he had his family in Water7, let's suppose a special case again and he set sail: he would have to find a crew and since he can bring in his dream ship and skills that are looked for as well (naval carpenter) he would for sure find a good (for sure there are plenty of crews who can accept him even if he is a bit weird, we have seen plenty in pretty much every crew). Anyway Franky's dream is pretty much achieved the moment he has done the ship, then it is the ship that has to demonstarte it can navigate in every kind of sea. Aka make another one which was on par with the Orojackon (which was also the only other ship made from Adam wood aside from the Sunny). Tom did the same and didn't have the need to sail along with Roger (was it so?).

Brook. He would still be stuck in the Florian triangle like the decades before, really a sad destiny. That at least until somebody defeats Moria. So if Moria feel confient enough to go challenge Kaido wait for that moment so that maybe distance can make his pwoer disappear or simpyl wait for Kaido to smash him like Luffy did.. anyway another bunch of years if he is lucky.
 
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