Damn.. All excellent points here. Luffy literally has the best power in One Piece. To bring those around to him. Look how many people he has changed and ultimately made them a lot happier. If im not mistaken.. Zoro was a pirate hunter so he would have been fine doing that and eventually becomming a great swordsman.
Chapter Discussion Which SH member could have gone far WITHOUT becoming a SH
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While Zoro may seem like the safest answer, I'm not so sure about it.
Even if he survived his execution, he was a virtual ignorant with no proper gauge of the strength that his dream actually required. Like a big fish in a small pond, he only came to realize how weak he was after meeting Mihawk and this happened because he travelled with Luffy to begin with. So I wouldn't be surprised if he had just ended up stuck on his own delusion or ultimately killed by foes with a strength his arrogant self couldn't lecture.
On top of this, I have my doubts about how feasible his dream would be without a top crew to travel with. My feeling is that things were less complicated back when Mihawk made a name of his own, when the Shichibukai didn't exist or was in its infancy and the Emperors weren't properly established, with Kaido probably not in his prime as a political figure and individual fighter and Shanks still a rookie. These are very important factors because, as of now, the world is in a Cold War and the New World, where Zoro should go to achieve his goal, is divided into four empires and, as Law said, you either face the emperors (and Zoro alone won't survive that) or join them (which would restrict him from facing opponents that would elicit a war).
So I don't think he would have gone as far as it may seem.
Even if he survived his execution, he was a virtual ignorant with no proper gauge of the strength that his dream actually required. Like a big fish in a small pond, he only came to realize how weak he was after meeting Mihawk and this happened because he travelled with Luffy to begin with. So I wouldn't be surprised if he had just ended up stuck on his own delusion or ultimately killed by foes with a strength his arrogant self couldn't lecture.
On top of this, I have my doubts about how feasible his dream would be without a top crew to travel with. My feeling is that things were less complicated back when Mihawk made a name of his own, when the Shichibukai didn't exist or was in its infancy and the Emperors weren't properly established, with Kaido probably not in his prime as a political figure and individual fighter and Shanks still a rookie. These are very important factors because, as of now, the world is in a Cold War and the New World, where Zoro should go to achieve his goal, is divided into four empires and, as Law said, you either face the emperors (and Zoro alone won't survive that) or join them (which would restrict him from facing opponents that would elicit a war).
So I don't think he would have gone as far as it may seem.
Actually i think he would have faced at one point mihawk for the same result. Mihawk would have been impressed by his words and determination. So zoro would have continued his adventure and finally join Red Hair Pirates. Zoro is the type of guy who follow a guy who has great value. I think shanks has that quality and of course Shanks would have been excited to recruit the guy who wants to defeat his rival Mihawk. I really think Zoro could achieve his dreams without Luffy if he joined for example Red Hair pirate. Shanks could have trained him more. If others SN survived, for sure Zoro would have survived too. But i don't know why but at one point Luffy and Zoro would have met and Luffy would ask Zoro to join him.
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theyre all nobody without luffy
Well except jinbe, robin, and zoro at least in the east blue
You can be stronger than someone and still have less chance of survivability
Like even luffy without the strawhats or even a mediocre crew aint making it far.
Especially with how reckless they can be and without the protective of plot
Well except jinbe, robin, and zoro at least in the east blue
You can be stronger than someone and still have less chance of survivability
Like even luffy without the strawhats or even a mediocre crew aint making it far.
Especially with how reckless they can be and without the protective of plot
Could be, It is up to imagination, although Shanks doesn't look like the guy who grants you great challenge like Luffy, to be honest. That's another big problem, I think Shanks would warn you not to mess with King, for example, but Luffy would encourage you because he wants to take Kaido down anyways. But since at the end of the day many top characters seemed to become strong without facing opponents of such caliber, I assume what I'm considering works better in theory than in practice.
The others Supernova "survived", though. Kid lost an arm and was imprisoned; Apoo, Drake and Hawkins joined Kaido; Urouge is safe in a sky island as of now after defeating just Snack; Bonney seems to follow her own agenda yet was the first to be defeated; etc. I don't think they are good examples of ambitious people surviving in the New World, most of them just joined an emperor or were defeated by one the moment they tried to make a move.
Jean Ango doesn't aim at becoming the strongest at anything. Zoro wouldn't just try to survive there, and that's where it isn't clear he would have been fine. I don't think Jean Ango has ever claimed Jack's head, for example.
The others Supernova "survived", though. Kid lost an arm and was imprisoned; Apoo, Drake and Hawkins joined Kaido; Urouge is safe in a sky island as of now after defeating just Snack; Bonney seems to follow her own agenda yet was the first to be defeated; etc. I don't think they are good examples of ambitious people surviving in the New World, most of them just joined an emperor or were defeated by one the moment they tried to make a move.
Jean Ango doesn't aim at becoming the strongest at anything. Zoro wouldn't just try to survive there, and that's where it isn't clear he would have been fine. I don't think Jean Ango has ever claimed Jack's head, for example.
I don't think iceberg himself can convince him to go. More than anyone the main person stopping franky was himself.
Without going through everything that went on during w7/Ennies lobby with the strawhats i dont think hell have enough incentive to leave or even forgive himself.
Even afterwards they basically had to lowkey force his ass too come along even with him wanting too
He would have probably made his ship and still guilt himself into still staying just looking at it as a reminder
Without going through everything that went on during w7/Ennies lobby with the strawhats i dont think hell have enough incentive to leave or even forgive himself.
Even afterwards they basically had to lowkey force his ass too come along even with him wanting too
He would have probably made his ship and still guilt himself into still staying just looking at it as a reminder
Which Era? He was nineteen when Roger and Shiki weren't around anymore, Kaido hadn't established himself, Shanks was a rookie and the Shichibukai wasn't a thing. Sure, he had already started making himself a name by then, but we don't know the exact conditions this happened (could have happened in Paradise, for example) and, as I explained, I don't think the scenario was as complicated as now because it isn't just a matter of individual strength but politics and the system itself. It feels to me like Mihawk achieved his title when the world as it is now was just starting to take shape. Now the New World is divided into solid empires in a Cold War (not just strong crews), Paradise used to have dogs of the Government looking for preys (Moriah, Crocodile, even Mihawk) and the dynamics of the three powers are completely established. That's what I was talking about.
Yep Luffy has the most dangerous power in the world, he draws everyone to his cause both enemies and friends.
He has truly changedthe lives of many people, Zoro included. Zoro would probably not get as strong as he is as fast as he has if he didnt join Luffy.
Same could be said about Luffy, without his crew he would also have not advanced to where he is right now.
Without the sh willing to die for him and follow him, I think he would not have made it far.
He has truly changedthe lives of many people, Zoro included. Zoro would probably not get as strong as he is as fast as he has if he didnt join Luffy.
Same could be said about Luffy, without his crew he would also have not advanced to where he is right now.
Without the sh willing to die for him and follow him, I think he would not have made it far.
