Chapter Discussion Whitebeard and Rocks
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Well, I'm not sure about Sengoku, case he was also one who was feared that Treasure would be found, and greatest war will come, or I'm wrong? And I don't think that you could call Luffy as saint, just remember how he teamed up with Crocodile who is responsible in like thousends death in Arabasta. If Rocks actually gather crew just to fullfill his dream like Luffy did, that could work, but again difference for now goes with fact that Rocks pirate was I guess real pirates who rob people. From other hand, Sengoku said that Main Target of Rocks forces was CD, from where comes terrorist thing. If you remember Ennies Lobby and Sabaody, Luffy also is terrorist like his whole crew. Ofcourse they are not Rocks, Nami is not Big Mom who already wiped out few kingdoms, or Zoro is not Kaido(but we didn't got any confirmation that Kaido was already evil back days), while Shiki is not even top 3.
From other hand we got Roger who was called as Demon, who could destroy whole island just for making fun of his nakama.
From other hand we got Roger who was called as Demon, who could destroy whole island just for making fun of his nakama.
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We still don't have the exact context as to how Rocks fell. It could be that Whitebeard had a hand in his defeat after a change of heart. We know that Whitebeard always wanted a family and was a good man, but perhaps he wasn't as iron-clad about these principles back then, and they were just sentiments and aspiration he had. He might've had huge respect for Rocks, which led to him going along with things he did not agree to. Or maybe Rocks did not support the killing of companions, but did nothing of note to stop it. I find it interesting that we never got Newgate's perspective on Linlin or Kaido. We know that Linlin at least holds him in high esteem, and Kaido probably shares that sentiment as well since he was an apprentice back then.
I agree and said it in the first post : it is Sengoku version of the story (so maybe he as bias) and terrorism means also Dragon, Luffy etc. But the way it was said Rocks were dangerous and violent. And the killing friends thing is hard (I should maybe wait the Viz translation on this one but if it is true they are clearly evil)
If Roger had to fight them with Garp it means that Rocks wanted to do really deep shit. And we know that Roger was not a saint either. And Roger didn't fight for his PK goal against Rocks because he became PK 15 years laters.
Yeah Luffy was not a saint and teamed up with Croco but he will never put him in his crew.
When Luffy discovered that Zoro "killed " (haha) all whiskey peak he became mad because they were nothing but nice to him (he didn't know that they were baroque works) and fought with Zoro.
If Roger had to fight them with Garp it means that Rocks wanted to do really deep shit. And we know that Roger was not a saint either. And Roger didn't fight for his PK goal against Rocks because he became PK 15 years laters.
Yeah Luffy was not a saint and teamed up with Croco but he will never put him in his crew.
When Luffy discovered that Zoro "killed " (haha) all whiskey peak he became mad because they were nothing but nice to him (he didn't know that they were baroque works) and fought with Zoro.
When I read the chapter I asked myself why the fuck WB of all people joined that band of mofo.
WB always protected what he cared about, and always wanted a family. WB is an honorable man, with a code, ethic etc. Yes he is a pirate and likely killed a lot of people but I don't think he is the type of guy who killed someone just for fun.
And some things stoke me in this chapter :
Here at the end Sengoku said that Rocks was a group who killed friends and foe alike. And WB didn't seem to be the guy who will kill a friend.
And there it is said that they were a band of "terrorists" : Here it is more complicated, Dragon can be considered a terrorist against the WG. Luffy too etc. And with that shitty WG I think terrorism is not equal to pure bad guy right of the bat. And Rocks seemed to attack the Celestial Dragons.
But the way Sengoku talked about them seems to say that they liked to destroy. And the fact that Roger has to protect the slaves of the CD too means that Rocks would have killed everybody here no distinctions between innocents and CD.
We cannot forget that it is Sengoku version of the story, Sengoku is a marine, and if WB had told us the story it may have been quite different. But Sengoku is not completely (I think) far from the truth and Rocks was quite violent.
Why do you think WB was part of that group ?
Rocks may have an incredible charisma, and an iron will. Rocks was a D so likely someone special. Maybe young (30s) WB was attract by that man. Maybe Rocks swore to overthrow the corrupt WG and be king instead and knowing from where WB is (poor island who doesn't have WG protection so attacked a lot) it is understandbale that he was mad at the WG.
But I don't think this group matched WB spirit.
Your thoughts.
WB always protected what he cared about, and always wanted a family. WB is an honorable man, with a code, ethic etc. Yes he is a pirate and likely killed a lot of people but I don't think he is the type of guy who killed someone just for fun.
And some things stoke me in this chapter :
Here at the end Sengoku said that Rocks was a group who killed friends and foe alike. And WB didn't seem to be the guy who will kill a friend.
And there it is said that they were a band of "terrorists" : Here it is more complicated, Dragon can be considered a terrorist against the WG. Luffy too etc. And with that shitty WG I think terrorism is not equal to pure bad guy right of the bat. And Rocks seemed to attack the Celestial Dragons.
But the way Sengoku talked about them seems to say that they liked to destroy. And the fact that Roger has to protect the slaves of the CD too means that Rocks would have killed everybody here no distinctions between innocents and CD.
We cannot forget that it is Sengoku version of the story, Sengoku is a marine, and if WB had told us the story it may have been quite different. But Sengoku is not completely (I think) far from the truth and Rocks was quite violent.
Why do you think WB was part of that group ?
Rocks may have an incredible charisma, and an iron will. Rocks was a D so likely someone special. Maybe young (30s) WB was attract by that man. Maybe Rocks swore to overthrow the corrupt WG and be king instead and knowing from where WB is (poor island who doesn't have WG protection so attacked a lot) it is understandbale that he was mad at the WG.
But I don't think this group matched WB spirit.
Your thoughts.
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