Character Discussion Whitebeard deeply wanted to get revenge from Blackbeard ,but didn’t want to avenge Oden for obvious reasons.

[Manoomar2000]

Whitebeard deeply wanted to get revenge from Blackbeard , but did not want to avenge Oden , for obvious reasons

the problem is that people think of whitebeard is a perfect person but he is just a human , it is ironic because he himself said that he is just a human with one heart , at the same time it contradicts one of the themes of one piece which is every person has a demon inside him .

if you heard whitebeard and shanks conversation , you will know immediately that whitebeard wanted Blackbeard dead maybe more than ace himself , people say that he didn't want revenge because of the flashback in episode 461 , while they just didn't read the nuance .

Whitebeard said "it is ok ace" ,"it is an exception" , "I have a bad feeling" ,he didn't say "don't go", WB is a very proud man , he looks down to all people , if someone is younger than him with only 20 years he calls him boy (akainu), because he enjoys looking down to others.

Whitebeard doesn't ask , he commands , he is a man who seeks revenge , he wanted to kill BB badly , at the same time he was worried about ace , if whitebeard really didn't want ace to go after BB , he would have commanded him to stay , but he didn't ,

I loved when ace said "he disgraced pops name" this was a beautiful detail because this is one of the main reasons of why whitebeard wanted him dead.

now about Oden , Oden left whitebeard's ship , he went on a fight by his own will , he will lost , if whitebeard went to fight kaido's """"""army"""""" , what's the point ? he will just lose his sons for literally no reason , it is not because revenge is bad or that he cares about people of wano ,because he doesn't care about people of wano ,

people must know that Whitebeard and Roger were real devils , very selfish people , motivating pirates to be more active , to rob more and kill more , maybe whitebeard is worse than roger , because whitebeard didn't care about the One Piece .

of course there is more to say about this , but i hope this was enough to deliver the point.

whitebeard is a complex character , so don't simplify every thing , try to read nuance .

 

[Formerly Seth]

You are trying to make up for Oda's fuck ups which is awful. As a walking example of Oda's hater, my opinion rarely matters to people which is understandable but I can't stand people like you who try to cover up for every major fuck up the author does with his series.

No. Whitebeard is not a complex character. He only wanted a family and thought he can protect everyone as long as he can keep them by his side. When Blackbeard pulled off the shit he did Whitebeard was simply incapable of getting revenge for Thatch, he was a dead man walking.

Nothing excuses Oda's decision to humiliate WB's writing this much.

To automatically counter-argue some of the points you may throw at me:

1. Wano is an isolated country that is hardly accessible.

Umm no it is not. WG sails there like it's nothing. The ship with Nekomamushi and Izo sails there like it's nothing. Marco is a cherry on the pie. He just flies there like it's nothing and says: "Yo! I have arrived".

2. Oden was already dead. Okay now, this is more complicated and has few arguments for but I think it has more arguments against it.

- Whitebeard knew that Oden had his family and retainers, I don't believe he wasn't interested in small interrogation to at least confirm if they are alive.

- By default Wano should be considered a go-to place in case of crisis or any invasion like it is with Fishmen Island or any other territory Whitebeard has. Oden wasn't simply a crewmate for WB, he called him his brother which is a very very big thing in this manga.

- "No one fucks with the Whitebeard Pirates" bullshit we were fed with by Oda. I think I don't have to expand on this one, do I?

- Kaido wasn't always this strong and Whitebeard prior to sickness would demolish him and his forces. He would not even have to take the entire fleet with him. Just the main crew and let's say all division commanders. There is no trace of All-Star before Jack so he only had King and Queen with a bunch of Tobi Roppo he picked up a long time later especially with the youngest ones.

There is virtually no explanation for Oda's fuck up with this one. He completely ruined Whitebeard's character and almost the entire fanbase saw thru it and opened their eyes.

3. Whitebeard and his crew didn't know when Oden died.

I'm pretty sure 20 years was not enough for this stupid cat and dog to move their fat assess off of their moving island where they ate good and live a happy life. They clearly couldn't fucking inform WB about what happened.

Also, Wano being Kaido's HQ is not a mystery. I'm pretty sure Whitebeard thought to himself: "Hmm Oden allied with Kaido, that's good they will become good brothers".

Just no man.

Oda ruined Whitebeard's character. The end.

 

[Sasaki Kojirō]

You are trying to make up for Oda's fuck ups which is awful. As a walking example of Oda's hater, my opinion rarely matters to people which is understandable but I can't stand people like you who try to cover up for every major fuck up the author does with his series.

No. Whitebeard is not a complex character. He only wanted a family and thought he can protect everyone as long as he can keep them by his side. When Blackbeard pulled off the shit he did Whitebeard was simply incapable of getting revenge for Thatch, he was a dead man walking.

Nothing excuses Oda's decision to humiliate WB's writing this much.

To automatically counter-argue some of the points you may throw at me:

1. Wano is an isolated country that is hardly accessible.

Umm no it is not. WG sails there like it's nothing. The ship with Nekomamushi and Izo sails there like it's nothing. Marco is a cherry on the pie. He just flies there like it's nothing and says: "Yo! I have arrived".

2. Oden was already dead. Okay now, this is more complicated and has few arguments for but I think it has more arguments against it.

- Whitebeard knew that Oden had his family and retainers, I don't believe he wasn't interested in small interrogation to at least confirm if they are alive.

- By default Wano should be considered a go-to place in case of crisis or any invasion like it is with Fishmen Island or any other territory Whitebeard has. Oden wasn't simply a crewmate for WB, he called him his brother which is a very very big thing in this manga.

- "No one fucks with the Whitebeard Pirates" bullshit we were fed with by Oda. I think I don't have to expand on this one, do I?

- Kaido wasn't always this strong and Whitebeard prior to sickness would demolish him and his forces. He would not even have to take the entire fleet with him. Just the main crew and let's say all division commanders. There is no trace of All-Star before Jack so he only had King and Queen with a bunch of Tobi Roppo he picked up a long time later especially with the youngest ones.

There is virtually no explanation for Oda's fuck up with this one. He completely ruined Whitebeard's character and almost the entire fanbase saw thru it and opened their eyes.

3. Whitebeard and his crew didn't know when Oden died.

I'm pretty sure 20 years was not enough for this stupid cat and dog to move their fat assess off of their moving island where they ate good and live a happy life. They clearly couldn't fucking inform WB about what happened.

Also, Wano being Kaido's HQ is not a mystery. I'm pretty sure Whitebeard thought to himself: "Hmm Oden allied with Kaido, that's good they will become good brothers".

Just no man.

Oda ruined Whitebeard's character. The end.

No bro, they found out about ODEN's death just a few years later and not decades, it's just a few years.
Marco said that a lot of people would die and that he didn't imagine what would happen, meanwhile Kaido made several expeditions outside the wano country, giving a damn about Whitebeard.
This is the situation where fear speaks louder, the fear of prime wb spoke louder in relation to kaido.
He is afraid to attack, but does not expect to be attacked.

It's really hell pigeon logic.
What would he do if Kaido decided to attack him like 2 years ago?
He would half go back and run away because a lot of people would die. LOL

This is one of the author's worst shits, he has literally shit on almost everything.

 

[Formerly Seth]

No bro, they found out about ODEN's death just a few years later and not decades, it's just a few years.
Marco said that a lot of people would die and that he didn't imagine what would happen, meanwhile Kaido made several expeditions outside the wano country, giving a damn about Whitebeard.
This is the situation where fear speaks louder, the fear of prime wb spoke louder in relation to kaido.
He is afraid to attack, but does not expect to be attacked.

It's really hell pigeon logic.
What would he do if Kaido decided to attack him like 2 years ago?
He would half go back and run away because a lot of people would die. LOL

This is one of the author's worst shits, he has literally shit on almost everything.

Nor Big Mom or Kaido would even think about attempting to attack healthy WB which is backed by facts.

But for 2 years ago. Well. WB would've died that's no question.

Overall. Oda destroyed WB's character. He would do less damage never answering it thru Marco or statements. Just stay silent if you can't bring up anything that's worth taking reader's time to understand ur logic.

 

[Sasaki Kojirō]

Nor Big Mom or Kaido would even think about attempting to attack healthy WB which is backed by facts.

But for 2 years ago. Well. WB would've died that's no question.

Overall. Oda destroyed WB's character. He would do less damage never answering it thru Marco or statements. Just stay silent if you can't bring up anything that's worth taking reader's time to understand ur logic.

That's not what perospero was saying to MARCO, he was always in confrontation according to him, team clashes, and Kaido was going to literally kill Whitebeard 2 years ago.
It doesn't matter if it's a healthy WB or not, KAIDO killed ODEN without caring about WB PRIME.
Nobody cares about him. And law also recites this at some point in the manga.

Nobody cares if it's WB PRIME or old, or sick, who said emperors knew about your illness?!
The novel literally said that they were hiding it from the world.

Actually the WB character ended up, but he made a wise decision, if he decided to go to wano his head would end up on a silver stake, placed there by the kaido's hands.

 

[Manoomar2000]

You are trying to make up for Oda's fuck ups which is awful. As a walking example of Oda's hater, my opinion rarely matters to people which is understandable but I can't stand people like you who try to cover up for every major fuck up the author does with his series.

No. Whitebeard is not a complex character. He only wanted a family and thought he can protect everyone as long as he can keep them by his side. When Blackbeard pulled off the shit he did Whitebeard was simply incapable of getting revenge for Thatch, he was a dead man walking.

Nothing excuses Oda's decision to humiliate WB's writing this much.

To automatically counter-argue some of the points you may throw at me:

1. Wano is an isolated country that is hardly accessible.

Umm no it is not. WG sails there like it's nothing. The ship with Nekomamushi and Izo sails there like it's nothing. Marco is a cherry on the pie. He just flies there like it's nothing and says: "Yo! I have arrived".

2. Oden was already dead. Okay now, this is more complicated and has few arguments for but I think it has more arguments against it.

- Whitebeard knew that Oden had his family and retainers, I don't believe he wasn't interested in small interrogation to at least confirm if they are alive.

- By default Wano should be considered a go-to place in case of crisis or any invasion like it is with Fishmen Island or any other territory Whitebeard has. Oden wasn't simply a crewmate for WB, he called him his brother which is a very very big thing in this manga.

- "No one fucks with the Whitebeard Pirates" bullshit we were fed with by Oda. I think I don't have to expand on this one, do I?

- Kaido wasn't always this strong and Whitebeard prior to sickness would demolish him and his forces. He would not even have to take the entire fleet with him. Just the main crew and let's say all division commanders. There is no trace of All-Star before Jack so he only had King and Queen with a bunch of Tobi Roppo he picked up a long time later especially with the youngest ones.

There is virtually no explanation for Oda's fuck up with this one. He completely ruined Whitebeard's character and almost the entire fanbase saw thru it and opened their eyes.

3. Whitebeard and his crew didn't know when Oden died.

I'm pretty sure 20 years was not enough for this stupid cat and dog to move their fat assess off of their moving island where they ate good and live a happy life. They clearly couldn't fucking inform WB about what happened.

Also, Wano being Kaido's HQ is not a mystery. I'm pretty sure Whitebeard thought to himself: "Hmm Oden allied with Kaido, that's good they will become good brothers".

Just no man.

Oda ruined Whitebeard's character. The end.

Nah you are just trippin ,

first , you are responding to another post lol , wtf are you doing

second you aren’t really giving actual arguments, dog and cat informed him after leaving wano , who knows how long did they spend ,

And saying that this ruined the character is pure shit , because what made whitebeard a great character is his selfishness and realism in writing the character, if he fucked up in being the man who will be there for his crewmates , so this is a minor flaw ,

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No bro, they found out about ODEN's death just a few years later and not decades, it's just a few years.
Marco said that a lot of people would die and that he didn't imagine what would happen, meanwhile Kaido made several expeditions outside the wano country, giving a damn about Whitebeard.
This is the situation where fear speaks louder, the fear of prime wb spoke louder in relation to kaido.
He is afraid to attack, but does not expect to be attacked.

It's really hell pigeon logic.
What would he do if Kaido decided to attack him like 2 years ago?
He would half go back and run away because a lot of people would die. LOL

This is one of the author's worst shits, he has literally shit on almost everything.

No lol , he will fuck him up and lose as many subordinates as possible like what happened in mf , this is because it needed to be done

 

[Formerly Seth]

Nah you are just trippin ,

first , you are responding to another post lol , wtf are you doing

second you aren’t really giving actual arguments, dog and cat informed him after leaving wano , who knows how long did they spend ,

And saying that this ruined the character is pure shit , because what made whitebeard a great character is his selfishness and realism in writing the character, if he fucked up in being the man who will be there for his crewmates , so this is a minor flaw ,

I gave you plenty of arguments. Also the most important part. Dog and Cat didn't inform WB after leaving Wano. There is nothing that suggests they contacted the WB crew.

Oda fucked this up. He should not touch WB's character after he killed him. Oden is unironically the worst thing that happened to Whitebeard.

His legend was tarnished because of this.

 

[Manoomar2000]

That's not what perospero was saying to MARCO, he was always in confrontation according to him, team clashes, and Kaido was going to literally kill Whitebeard 2 years ago.
It doesn't matter if it's a healthy WB or not, KAIDO killed ODEN without caring about WB PRIME.
Nobody cares about him. And law also recites this at some point in the manga.

Nobody cares if it's WB PRIME or old, or sick, who said emperors knew about your illness?!
The novel literally said that they were hiding it from the world.

Actually the WB character ended up, but he made a wise decision, if he decided to go to wano his head would end up on a silver stake, placed there by the kaido's hands.

I am 100% with the theory that kaido was going to help whitebeard, but he stopped because whitebeard won’t accept his help and may attack him

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I gave you plenty of arguments. Also the most important part. Dog and Cat didn't inform WB after leaving Wano. There is nothing that suggests they contacted the WB crew.

Oda fucked this up. He should not touch WB's character after he killed him. Oden is unironically the worst thing that happened to Whitebeard.

His legend was tarnished because of this.

Nah , I want to know why kaido went to marineford, and i will be happy if he was going to help him but stopped because WB won’t accept this , and it seems that you will cry

 

[Sasaki Kojirō]

I gave you plenty of arguments. Also the most important part. Dog and Cat didn't inform WB after leaving Wano. There is nothing that suggests they contacted the WB crew.

Oda fucked this up. He should not touch WB's character after he killed him. Oden is unironically the worst thing that happened to Whitebeard.

His legend was tarnished because of this.

It doesn't change anything.
He found out anyway about ODEN's death and was still in his prime version, Whitebeard + his crew thought several times about attacking WANO, they had time to plan the best plan possible but in the end they always ended up giving up .
While KAIDO made history around the world on his expeditions. LOL

You can cry all you want, ODA pissed on Whitebeard here, the whitebeard that I respected and that KING considers him inferior to KAIDO. laughter.

Seth will cry?
Next time, try taking the author's egg out of your mouth.

 

[Formerly Seth]

It doesn't change anything.
He found out anyway about ODEN's death and was still in his prime version, Whitebeard + his crew thought several times about attacking WANO, they had time to plan the best plan possible but in the end they always ended up giving up .
While KAIDO made history around the world on his expeditions. LOL

You can cry all you want, ODA pissed on Whitebeard here, the whitebeard that I respected and that KING considers him inferior to KAIDO. laughter.

I don't really understand why you are quoting me on this as for Oda ruining Whitebeard's legacy because that's basically what I'm saying lol.

I am 100% with the theory that kaido was going to help whitebeard, but he stopped because whitebeard won’t accept his help and may attack him

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Nah , I want to know why kaido went to marineford, and i will be happy if he was going to help him but stopped because WB won’t accept this , and it seems that you will cry

Marineford looked like something Kaido probably considered his possible death place. The Grand War between two Yonko and Marines.

( This might've been the first time he didn't care about 20 year prophecy because the War looked this good on paper ).

Would he side with WB or just attack everyone who challenges him is another thing.

I doubt Kaido would take WB's words about leaving this to his fleet lightly. Kaido respects WB. I think he would be disappointed seeing Whitebeard as he was on MF.

 

[Manoomar2000]

It doesn't change anything.
He found out anyway about ODEN's death and was still in his prime version, Whitebeard + his crew thought several times about attacking WANO, they had time to plan the best plan possible but in the end they always ended up giving up .
While KAIDO made history around the world on his expeditions. LOL

You can cry all you want, ODA pissed on Whitebeard here, the whitebeard that I respected and that KING considers him inferior to KAIDO. laughter.

Seth will cry?
Next time, try taking the author's egg out of your mouth.

My friend, this is not how politics works , do you think that kaido will meet WB by chance and say let’s make a war ? Bruh

 

[Sasaki Kojirō]

I don't really understand why you are quoting me on this as for Oda ruining Whitebeard's legacy because that's basically what I'm saying lol.


Marineford looked like something Kaido probably considered his possible death place. The Grand War between two Yonko and Marines.

Would he side with WB or just attack everyone who challenges him is another thing.

I doubt Kaido would take WB's words about leaving this to his fleet lightly. Kaido respects WB. I think he would be disappointed seeing Whitebeard as he was on MF.

I was just kidding you. lol
But it wouldn't change a thing, even if the dog and cat warned him.
After he heard the news, they planned several times, they had time to plan the best plan and attack.

And about Kaido and Wb's relationship, Shiki didn't want Roger to be killed by the scum mavy, maybe kaido wanted the same for Whitebeard and instead of letting him die by the hands of the scum, he would execute him himself.

 

[Manoomar2000]

I gave you plenty of arguments. Also the most important part. Dog and Cat didn't inform WB after leaving Wano. There is nothing that suggests they contacted the WB crew.

Oda fucked this up. He should not touch WB's character after he killed him. Oden is unironically the worst thing that happened to Whitebeard.

His legend was tarnished because of this.

I don’t care about your arguments, stick to the post

 

[Fujishiro]

- Kaido wasn't always this strong and Whitebeard prior to sickness would demolish him and his forces. He would not even have to take the entire fleet with him. Just the main crew and let's say all division commanders. There is no trace of All-Star before Jack so he only had King and Queen with a bunch of Tobi Roppo he picked up a long time later especially with the youngest ones.

Leth.

 

[Formerly Seth]

I don’t care about your arguments, stick to the post

I'm doing it and I answered you already. Whitebeard is not the complex character you want him to be.

Depending on Kaido's fb he can outshine WB by a mile as a character.

 

[Sasaki Kojirō]

My friend, this is not how politics works , do you think that kaido will meet WB by chance and say let’s make a war ? Bruh

That's Whitebeard's goal, man.
Do you really think that with touching words KAIDO would leave WANO's country?
Are you thinking ONE PIECE is naruto?! LOL
I didn't know that Whitebeard had turned naruto with his jutsu speech.
Whitebeard's goal is clear in the manga, war against kaido and not "dialogue".

 

[Manoomar2000]

I don't really understand why you are quoting me on this as for Oda ruining Whitebeard's legacy because that's basically what I'm saying lol.


Marineford looked like something Kaido probably considered his possible death place. The Grand War between two Yonko and Marines.

( This might've been the first time he didn't care about 20 year prophecy because the War looked this good on paper ).

Would he side with WB or just attack everyone who challenges him is another thing.

I doubt Kaido would take WB's words about leaving this to his fleet lightly. Kaido respects WB. I think he would be disappointed seeing Whitebeard as he was on MF.

No it was shanks who stopped kaido lol

anyway, whitebeard is a great ,proud ,kind , selfish and merciless old man , if Oda proved that he wasn’t a good person , is this a bad thing ? Hell no , he is just a human

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That's Whitebeard's goal, man.
Do you really think that with touching words KAIDO would leave WANO's country?
Are you thinking ONE PIECE is naruto?! LOL
I didn't know that Whitebeard had turned naruto with his jutsu speech.

Actually i mean that kaido probably never met whitebeard, except if one of those scars are by whitebeard

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I'm doing it and I answered you already. Whitebeard is not the complex character you want him to be.

Depending on Kaido's fb he can outshine WB by a mile as a character.

Because Oda is a master at writing complex character, i won’t be surprised if kaido outshined him , iam not saying that WB is the most complex character, iam just saying he is not a good idealistic old man like jiraya or other shounen old men

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That's Whitebeard's goal, man.
Do you really think that with touching words KAIDO would leave WANO's country?
Are you thinking ONE PIECE is naruto?! LOL
I didn't know that Whitebeard had turned naruto with his jutsu speech.
Whitebeard's goal is clear in the manga, war against kaido and not "dialogue".

I read your comment again , wtf are you saying dude , what is WB dream , did whitebeard ever say touching words ? 👽

 

[Sasaki Kojirō]

No it was shanks who stopped kaido lol

anyway, whitebeard is a great ,proud ,kind , selfish and merciless old man , if Oda proved that he wasn’t a good person , is this a bad thing ? Hell no , he is just a human

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Actually i mean that kaido probably never met whitebeard, except if one of those scars are by whitebeard

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Because Oda is a master at writing complex character, i won’t be surprised if kaido outshined him , iam not saying that WB is the most complex character, iam just saying he is not a good idealistic old man like jiraya or other shounen old men

Kaido only has 1 expensive scar and ODEN gave it to him.

For those of you who don't know, KAIDO and WB were part of the same crew 38 years ago.

"Kaido never met WB" is a rude thing to say. LOL

 

[Formerly Seth]

Actually i mean that kaido probably never met whitebeard

Rocks Pirates bruv

 

[Manoomar2000]

Kaido only has 1 expensive scar and ODEN gave it to him.

For those of you who don't know, KAIDO and WB were part of the same crew 38 years ago.

"Kaido never met WB" is a rude thing to say. LOL

I meant never met WB as captains , yes you are right he didn’t have scars , this proves that they never met , yonko probably never meet , kaido is like a brother to big mom but never met him for decades , it is a fake peace thing were the emperors stay away from each other and everyone is waiting for the others to make the first move

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Rocks Pirates bruv

As captains