In my opinion , Xback should be the one then WB/Linlin during Rocks day ! Roger / Garp during God Vally. Other defeats when he challenged other pirate crew (RHP) and Marin's alone...
This is all the times kaido has been hurt on panel and the reactions to it
note - there were a few more of scabbard hurting him but you get the point
one consistent is EVERY SINGLE TIME HE IS HIT BY RYOU HE IS SHOCKED
not to mention any subordinate is in shock he can even be hurt (even meme in the last panel)
Lets be real ryou is not that uncommon
less so amongst top tiers
all top tier except meme have ryou
a lot of top tiers will have stronger ryou than oden who kaido holds up to a standard
in the last chapter he is literally letting luffy punch him thinking it wont do anything and then he gets put on his ass
there is no way this man fought top tiers repeatedly
it goes against what is shown in this manga every time he faces someone with ryou
Cap, he just screaming cause thats what he does when he gets hit. He literally had Denjiro put a sword through his abdomen and had no reaction. He also just fought a top tier for 2 days. Why you think BM doesn't have ryou
Cap, he just screaming cause thats what he does when he gets hit. He literally had Denjiro put a sword through his abdomen and had no reaction. He also just fought a top tier for 2 days. Why you think BM doesn't have ryou
We were told Kaido challenged the Emperors and Navy HQ in his intro
However, we later see he hasn't seen Linlin in x amount of decades, with decades indicating at least 2, thus at least 20 years.
We know that Shanks became an Emperor 6 years ago
And we know Whitebeard didn't fight Kaido from chapter 999, as they planned the assault on Wano and knew about Oden's death.
One could say he might have fought WB before WB found out Oden had died, but it's a stretch imo.
So who is the Emperor Kaido fought? Or was the line more along the line that he had challenged their forces, territories, crews, etc?
Following that, we know that Kaido had suffered 7 defeats in his career
So my next question is who beat Kaido's ass?
Throw out some names and I'll make a poll too.
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seems to be a contradiction with hype
and what kaido actually is
for someone who lost 7 times
he seems to talk a bit too much about oden in comparison to other people who put him down.
oden prob
didnt beat any of the current admirals by the looks of it . fujitora and greenbull might be fairgame.
hasnt met linlin in decades
def didnt beat roger , shiki(faded away after he escaped)
wb chose not to come into wano.
I think Whitebeard and Big Mom are definitely one of those losses a piece. They just happened a long time ago.
The thing here is, we are told that Kaido was defeated, captured, and then escaped many of times. He challenged these powerhouses individually, and through that he gained the recognition of a Yonko.
We also know that Kaido tends to go off on his own a lot. So within that 20 year time frame, it's still possible that Kaido lost fights, even after Oden's assumption that nobody would defeat him, if he didn't stop him there, because even if Kaido goes off on his own and loses a fight, his forces still occupy Wano.
So Kaido goes off on his own, challenges someone powerful, loses, gets and captured, but Wano still remains under Kaido's control because his crew is still there, and they are allied with the Shogun. Kaido eventually escapes and comes back.
He's not shocked that Ryou can damage him, he knows that. What shocked him is that the Scabbards managed to damage him when he knew that they weren't that powerful the last time he fought them, and the same thing with Luffy. Just a week prior Luffy couldn't damage him with dozens of powerful attacks, and then shows up and out of nowhere causes a ton of damage with his first attack.
I think Whitebeard and Big Mom are definitely one of those losses a piece. They just happened a long time ago.
The thing here is, we are told that Kaido was defeated, captured, and then escaped many of times. He challenged these powerhouses individually, and through that he gained the recognition of a Yonko.
We also know that Kaido tends to go off on his own a lot. So within that 20 year time frame, it's still possible that Kaido lost fights, even after Oden's assumption that nobody would defeat him, if he didn't stop him there, because even if Kaido goes off on his own and loses a fight, his forces still occupy Wano.
So Kaido goes off on his own, challenges someone powerful, loses, gets and captured, but Wano still remains under Kaido's control because his crew is still there, and they are allied with the Shogun. Kaido eventually escapes and comes back.
He's not shocked that Ryou can damage him, he knows that. What shocked him is that the Scabbards managed to damage him when he knew that they weren't that powerful the last time he fought them, and the same thing with Luffy. Just a week prior Luffy couldn't damage him with dozens of powerful attacks, and then shows up and out of nowhere causes a ton of damage with his first attack.
He never lost 1v1 during the 20 years
He lost 7 fights before fighting Oden 20 years ago
That's why oda dvgn had neither bm or wb fight kaido in these past 20 years
I think Whitebeard and Big Mom are definitely one of those losses a piece. They just happened a long time ago.
The thing here is, we are told that Kaido was defeated, captured, and then escaped many of times. He challenged these powerhouses individually, and through that he gained the recognition of a Yonko.
We also know that Kaido tends to go off on his own a lot. So within that 20 year time frame, it's still possible that Kaido lost fights, even after Oden's assumption that nobody would defeat him, if he didn't stop him there, because even if Kaido goes off on his own and loses a fight, his forces still occupy Wano.
So Kaido goes off on his own, challenges someone powerful, loses, gets and captured, but Wano still remains under Kaido's control because his crew is still there, and they are allied with the Shogun. Kaido eventually escapes and comes back.
He's not shocked that Ryou can damage him, he knows that. What shocked him is that the Scabbards managed to damage him when he knew that they weren't that powerful the last time he fought them, and the same thing with Luffy. Just a week prior Luffy couldn't damage him with dozens of powerful attacks, and then shows up and out of nowhere causes a ton of damage with his first attack.
I think Whitebeard and Big Mom are definitely one of those losses a piece. They just happened a long time ago.
The thing here is, we are told that Kaido was defeated, captured, and then escaped many of times. He challenged these powerhouses individually, and through that he gained the recognition of a Yonko.
We also know that Kaido tends to go off on his own a lot. So within that 20 year time frame, it's still possible that Kaido lost fights, even after Oden's assumption that nobody would defeat him, if he didn't stop him there, because even if Kaido goes off on his own and loses a fight, his forces still occupy Wano.
So Kaido goes off on his own, challenges someone powerful, loses, gets and captured, but Wano still remains under Kaido's control because his crew is still there, and they are allied with the Shogun. Kaido eventually escapes and comes back.
He's not shocked that Ryou can damage him, he knows that. What shocked him is that the Scabbards managed to damage him when he knew that they weren't that powerful the last time he fought them, and the same thing with Luffy. Just a week prior Luffy couldn't damage him with dozens of powerful attacks, and then shows up and out of nowhere causes a ton of damage with his first attack.
He never lost 1v1 during the 20 years
He lost 7 fights before fighting Oden 20 years ago
That's why oda dvgn had neither bm or wb fight kaido in these past 20 years
19 Years passed between the battle of God Valley and Kaido occupying Wano. That leaves plenty of time for Kaido to have challenged and lost to Whitebeard and Big Mom before he occupied Wano.
You can't affirm that based off the WSC title, since it isn't even ascertained unlike other titles.
On topic Kaido was tortured, but there's no indication the Marine tried its best to kill him, no mention of Kizaru or Akainu trying to kill the man and failing.
19 Years passed between the battle of God Valley and Kaido occupying Wano. That leaves plenty of time for Kaido to have challenged and lost to Whitebeard and Big Mom before he occupied Wano.
they even learned his togen totska
that hasnt happened now
kinemon was sent to the future
denjiro was with orochi
doji went back to being a bandit
and inu went to zou
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