Speculations Who do you think has advanced haki?

XGoldrogeRX

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trav said:
she could sense "voices" on Upper Yard even when she was still far away from the island.
thats about equal to Enel range which was further augmented by his DF.

Aiza has shown the longest range CoO in the series. if that is not advanced then idk what is.
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rayleigh also can sense luffy presence right after luffy arrives on shanbody but that wasn't advanced coo.
shanks also knew when ace arrives on the shore of his island
ray can tell the numbers of creatures that stay on russukaina island along with their level and intention.. but that also not advanced coo.
 
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wordyworm

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XGoldrogeRX said:
rayleigh also can sense luffy presence right after luffy arrives on shanbody but that wasn't advanced coo.
shanks also knew when ace arrives on the shore of his island
ray can tell the numbers of creatures that stay on russukaina island along with their level and intention.. but that also not advanced coo.
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The distinction is "Do you think advanced CoO is the same as VOAT?"
To me, Aisa showed the same sensitivity to voices as Momo, Oden, Roger, and Luffy
VOAT, not FS, might be the highest level of CoO
 
Rmstorm

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wordyworm said:
The distinction is "Do you think advanced CoO is the same as VOAT?"
To me, Aisa showed the same sensitivity to voices as Momo, Oden, Roger, and Luffy
VOAT, not FS, might be the highest level of CoO
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Voat is clasified as an innate skill by the databook. It is something different from observation haki.

My personal opinion is it is linked to CoC haki. CoC haki specialists( even when dormant) with certain conditions have it.

As CoC haki is also an innate skill.
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Finalbeta said:
There's no single way in this world Shanks does not have advanced CoA and so Mihawk

But honestly it is not rare amongst top dogs
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It is rare, that is why Garp could compete wuth devil fruit and Sword Users.

The only people from the middle era that I can see having it would be Shanks and Dragon.
 
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wordyworm

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Rmstorm said:
Voat is clasified as an innate skill by the databook. It is something different from observation haki.

My personal opinion is it is linked to CoC haki. CoC haki specialists( even when dormant) with certain conditions have it.

As CoC haki is also an innate skill.
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ooooh now, see, this is what I want to discuss! VOAT is clearly supersupersuper rare! Is it the highest level of CoC or the highest level of CoO?! I also wonder if VOAT is in a class like "ability to make allies" or Will of D, things that aren't dependent on haki. It might be related to Luffy and Roger's ability to sense who they should trust. That might be CoC (leadership/charisma) or CoO (intuition/insight) or even a different category!
 
Rmstorm

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wordyworm said:
ooooh now, see, this is what I want to discuss! VOAT is clearly supersupersuper rare! Is it the highest level of CoC or the highest level of CoO?! I also wonder if VOAT is in a class like "ability to make allies" or Will of D, things that aren't dependent on haki. It might be related to Luffy and Roger's ability to sense who they should trust. That might be CoC (leadership/charisma) or CoO (intuition/insight) or even a different category!
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1) It could be a seperate catogory from haki like the ability to make allies( most likely)

Or

2)A combination of CoC( Charisma / leadership) and CoO( Insight/ Intuition) working together passively.

Actaully Oda did say Luffy has the highest emotional intelligence( EQ) of any character in the manga.

It is one of the two mentioned above.
 
PuckTheGreat

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I don’t think most characters with hax will have advanced Haki simply coz they’d be too op but I reckon the top tiers amongst them will have pretty good Haki.

For example with armament there are 3 phases: 1.) basic usage (cladding body in armament), 2.) intermediate (reinforce armament clad body even further with (excess?) aura 2?) applying armament to a material in such a way that the material retains its original properties yet still remains hard. 3.) destroy something from the inside with Haki or creating a black blade (potentially)

Also with observation we have 3 as well potentially. 1.) ability to sense consciously 2.) ability to sense unconsciously 3.) future sight. (I.e. there’ll prolly be more applications of each of the aforementioned levels for observation).

So I reckon the top tiers in the aforementioned category (I.e. those that posses hax) will have only mastered Haki up to the intermediate level. e.g. Akainu, Kaidou, Lilin, Kizaru, Aokiji, Shiki, Sengoku (is a mythical zoan so he prolly has some sort of hax like Marco) etc.

Other top tiers that lack the hax tho I reckon will have advanced haki but only in the branch of Haki they specialize in. For example, Mihawk & Dragon come across to me as armament specialists so both could have some sort of advanced armament. In which case Oden might as well but then again Oden is a bit of a monster himself lolz so he might not have it. Whereas Shanks seems like a CoC specialist so he prolly has advanced CoC.

The only top tiers that lack hax but I think will be capable of using more than one type of advanced Haki or might possess both hax & one form of advanced Haki are the very special characters who are at the very top of the food chain like Roger, WB, Garp, Luffy, Teach (maybe?)

Fujitora seems like he could possess some form of advanced observation given he’s blind but he’d be a bit too hax with it tbf.
Other characters:
Advanced Armament: Weevil (I have a strong feeling he will have it), Zoro (if not now, prolly in the very near future), Sabo, Smoker? (If Not armament then observation), Jinbe (maybe?)

Advanced Observation: Sanji (if not now prolly in the near future), Coby,

I don’t think King & Queen will have it btw coz of their respective hax, same with Shiryu & Laffite.
 
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Omaiwaa

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PuckTheGreat said:
I don’t think most characters with hax will have advanced Haki simply coz they’d be too op but I reckon the top tiers amongst them will have pretty good Haki.

For example with armament there are 3 phases: 1.) basic usage (cladding body in armament), 2.) intermediate (reinforce armament clad body even further with (excess?) aura 2?) applying armament to a material in such a way that the material retains its original properties yet still remains hard. 3.) destroy something from the inside with Haki or creating a black blade (potentially)

Also with observation we have 3 as well potentially. 1.) ability to sense consciously 2.) ability to sense unconsciously 3.) future sight. (I.e. there’ll prolly be more applications of each of the aforementioned levels for observation).
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From what has been explained in the manga there are 3 established basis to COA -

1.) basic haki hardening, (this can be applied to weapons as well i.e. Kuja Fodder arrows) some characters have stronger/weaker haki than others i.e. Katakuri stated he had stronger haki than Luffy at the beginning of their fight when they clashed fists (causing Luffy's to swell up)

2.) Projectile haki (), demonstrated by Hyogoro, an advanced application of haki where it is projected from the user at long range to either protect or push an opponent (seen with the admirals, sentomaru, rayleigh etc.)

3.) Internal destruction, another advanced application of COA which allows for the user to destroy the target from within (rayleigh/luffy collar destruction)

PuckTheGreat said:
So I reckon the top tiers in the aforementioned category (I.e. those that posses hax) will have only mastered Haki up to the intermediate level. e.g. Akainu, Kaidou, Lilin, Kizaru, Aokiji, Shiki, Sengoku (is a mythical zoan so he prolly has some sort of hax like Marco) etc.

Other top tiers that lack the hax tho I reckon will have advanced haki but only in the branch of Haki they specialize in. For example, Mihawk & Dragon come across to me as armament specialists so both could have some sort of advanced armament. In which case Oden might as well but then again Oden is a bit of a monster himself lolz so he might not have it. Whereas Shanks seems like a CoC specialist so he prolly has advanced CoC.

The only top tiers that lack hax but I think will be capable of using more than one type of advanced Haki or might possess both hax & one form of advanced Haki are the very special characters who are at the very top of the food chain like Roger, WB, Garp, Luffy, Teach (maybe?)

Fujitora seems like he could possess some form of advanced observation given he’s blind but he’d be a bit too hax with it tbf.
Other characters:
Advanced Armament: Weevil (I have a strong feeling he will have it), Zoro (if not now, prolly in the very near future), Sabo, Smoker? (If Not armament then observation), Jinbe (maybe?)

Advanced Observation: Sanji (if not now prolly in the near future), Coby,

I don’t think King & Queen will have it btw coz of their respective hax, same with Shiryu & Laffite.
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Interesting, I definitely think top tiers that don't have fruit powers or natural strength/durability will have more than 1 application of advanced haki. I also kind of agree that hax characters like BM & Kaido aren't likely to be specialists in haki, but it is not impossible or unreasonable for them to have 1 type of advanced haki i.e. barrier or something like that? They wouldn't train their observation much I'd imagine - due to being able to tank most hits anyway.

I feel like King will likely have 1 form of advanced haki as his fruit is not that hax compared to Marco & Katakuri's (& katakuri has advCOO). This would therefore put him on equal footing.
 
PuckTheGreat

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Omaiwaa said:
From what has been explained in the manga there are 3 established basis to COA -

1.) basic haki hardening, (this can be applied to weapons as well i.e. Kuja Fodder arrows) some characters have stronger/weaker haki than others i.e. Katakuri stated he had stronger haki than Luffy at the beginning of their fight when they clashed fists (causing Luffy's to swell up)

2.) Projectile haki (), demonstrated by Hyogoro, an advanced application of haki where it is projected from the user at long range to either protect or push an opponent (seen with the admirals, sentomaru, rayleigh etc.)

3.) Internal destruction, another advanced application of COA which allows for the user to destroy the target from within (rayleigh/luffy collar destruction)



Interesting, I definitely think top tiers that don't have fruit powers or natural strength/durability will have more than 1 application of advanced haki. I also kind of agree that hax characters like BM & Kaido aren't likely to be specialists in haki, but it is not impossible or unreasonable for them to have 1 type of advanced haki i.e. barrier or something like that? They wouldn't train their observation much I'd imagine - due to being able to tank most hits anyway.

I feel like King will likely have 1 form of advanced haki as his fruit is not that hax compared to Marco & Katakuri's (& katakuri has advCOO). This would therefore put him on equal footing.
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What Hyogoro, the admirals & even Sentomaru used is the barrier type Haki which I’d personally refer to as the intermediate level. Most people prolly call it armament stage 2 tho.

Also the barrier type application is an advanced application of Haki but given there’s a level even beyond that, I think it’s more appropriate to refer to it as an intermediate level rather than advanced.
 
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Omaiwaa

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PuckTheGreat said:
What Hyogoro, the admirals & even Sentomaru used is the barrier type Haki which I’d personally refer to as the intermediate level. Most people prolly call it armament stage 2 tho.

Also the barrier type application is an advanced application of Haki but given there’s a level even beyond that, I think it’s more appropriate to refer to it as an intermediate level rather than advanced.
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I called it an advanced application of haki because of the panel where Luffy describes it as advanced before Hyogoro displays the same ability
 
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Omaiwaa

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Edward Teach said:
Based on this CoA classification :

Level 1
Normal Armament Haki


Level 2
Advanced Armament Haki


Level 3
Highly Advanced Armament Haki
Level 1 : Nearly everyone worth mentioning

Level 2 : Roger, Whitebeard, Admirals, Rayleigh, Garp, Mihawk, Shanks, Luffy, Sentomaru, Kawamatsu and Hyogoro

Level 3 : Roger, Garp, Mihawk, Rayleigh, Luffy, and Shanks
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Interestingly enough during Udon Luffy was not able to release his haki as a barrier/shockwave but was able to infuse it into the collar and break it, meaning it is likely that they are 2 different applications of COA but the collar breaking 1 is more lethal
 
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Blackbeard

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Omaiwaa said:
Interestingly enough during Udon Luffy was not able to release his haki as a barrier/shockwave but was able to infuse it into the collar and break it, meaning it is likely that they are 2 different applications of haki but the collar breaking 1 is more lethal
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Yeah as you said, it could also be two different applications to the same type of CoA, with the penetration being the stronger / more lethal one.
 
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ardym

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Edward Teach said:
Level 3 : Roger, Garp, Mihawk, Rayleigh, Luffy, and Shanks
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i think you can add Sabo to this fraction as well his dragon breath is most likely the same as the third level
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Omaiwaa said:
Interestingly enough during Udon Luffy was not able to release his haki as a barrier/shockwave but was able to infuse it into the collar and break it, meaning it is likely that they are 2 different applications of COA but the collar breaking 1 is more lethal
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Hiyo told Luffy he already was able to gather the haki around his body which is necessary for level 2 and 3 , but it seems Luffy was not able yet to form a barrier needed in level two , he might have learnt it during the training since it seems the easier one to learn. i think all admirals have the second level as well but Garp is the only marine who has the third level maybe Coby soon.
 
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Omaiwaa

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Just realised I never made my own list, I'd say;

Adv Armament (collar break):
Rayleigh, Garp, Roger, Shanks, Mihawk, That old Kuja woman (Nyon?), King (maybe), Dragon

Adv Armament (long range):
Akainu, Kizaru, Aokiji, King, Hancock, Denjiro,
Rayleigh, Garp, Roger, Shanks, Mihawk, That old Kuja woman (Nyon?), Dragon, Whitebeard

Adv Observation (FS):
Whitebeard, Shanks, Mihawk, Rayleigh, Garp, Roger, Shanks, Mihawk, former kuja empress Elder Nyon (in her prime the crystal ball she used to see the future may have just been FS Haki)

Adv Observation (Other):
Aiza, Shanks, Mihawk, Rayleigh, Garp, Roger

Adv CoC:
Shanks, Rayleigh, Roger
 
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