Current Events Who gave the order to the Seraphim?

[Shiroyru]

There is a shadow that destroyed the cameras. If its a hologram, then they couldnt do this.

I also just highly doubt its a Gorosei being saavy enough to override VPs directions, just sounds waybtoo complicated over jusy an implied 8th body, which is exactly what Shaka is saying this chapter "it IS Vegapunk!"

Shaka was saying it is Vegapunk because he has no idea that a Gorosei is on the way

 

[Paperchampion23]

Shaka was saying it is Vegapunk because he has no idea that a Gorosei is on the way

It still makes less sense for a Gorosei to be there yet. Saturn was on the ship when the Shields went down and theres nothing confirming:

- A hologram/projection of him can take over seraphim

- Him even having the scientific knowledge to 1-up VP like this.

Its still far easier to beleive its an 8th body to me.

 

[Rambles]

There is a shadow that destroyed the cameras. If its a hologram, then they couldnt do this.

I also just highly doubt its a Gorosei being saavy enough to override VPs directions, just sounds waybtoo complicated over jusy an implied 8th body, which is exactly what Shaka is saying this chapter "it IS Vegapunk!"

What I meant is: The hologram is used to walk with the group, whereas the original goes around and destroyes the cameras.

 

[silverfire]

Interesting, how ever we see the shadow that takes out the cameras have a similar appearance to Saturn, so it seems that Saturn has just arrived. It would line up with Shaka not being able to stop the Seraphim from rebelling.

You're not him..

Im 60/40 Stella over Saturn, but he fits well too.

It still makes less sense for a Gorosei to be there yet. Saturn was on the ship when the Shields went down and theres nothing confirming:

- A hologram/projection of him can take over seraphim

- Him even having the scientific knowledge to 1-up VP like this.

Its still far easier to beleive its an 8th body to me.

I agree with these reasons against Saturn.

 

[Paperchampion23]

What I meant is: The hologram is used to walk with the group, whereas the original goes around and destroyes the cameras.

Still an issue. Atlas was physically hurt. Sanji touched Edison without gloves. Luffy touched and carried Shaka, albeit with gloves so who knows. Pythagoras was blown apart and York was stoned. Lilith was also targeted by the Pacifista, as were many of them at different points.

I just dont think its one of the current 7.

 

[Hako Sama]

Holy, this poll still 50/50

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

Can't have hope for Oda anymore.

That's still better than what we got honestly. It can be a funny gag too.

It'd be stupid on the WG's part. If they send someone with a chip and a Seraphim to an Island, and the person with the chip gets beaten, and his chip stolen, then the person who beat them could steal the Seraphim. Hundreds of millions, if not billions of berries gone in a flash.

 

[Rambles]

Still an issue. Atlas was physically hurt. Sanji touched Edison without gloves. Luffy touched and carried Shaka, albeit with gloves so who knows. Pythagoras was blown apart and York was stoned. Lilith was also targeted by the Pacifista, as were many of them at different points.

I just dont think its one of the current 7.

This is why none of the Vegapunks are the traitor - it's Stussy.

 

[Carrota Guco]

Maybe caribou kidnapped vega punk and made him give the orders,

 

[executefobs]

I doubt an order remains absolute if the person who issued it is dead.

Regardless if they are dead, unconscious or simply unable to give an order to the seraphim the situation still applies. Its completely stupid.

 

[Apollo]

Its Saturn. I'm willing to bet on it.

 

[Garp the Fist]

Can’t be Saturn unless him being on the ship with Kizaru is out of sync with what is happening in Egghead and took place in the past. The dome deactivated in 1071 and Saturn was still on the ship with Kizaru in 1073.

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

Regardless if they are dead, unconscious or simply unable to give an order to the seraphim the situation still applies. Its completely stupid.

So I ask you. Should the World Government have it set up so if someone with a chip gets defeated by an enemy, that person can just take the chip, and take control over all the Seraphims?

Would that not be stupid of the World Government?

 

[WizardKing]

So I ask you. Should the World Government have it set up so if someone with a chip gets defeated by an enemy, that person can just take the chip, and take control over all the Seraphims?

Would that not be stupid of the World Government?

Vegapunk>chip so shakas order would be higher as from the chip holder…. So it must be vegapunk himself or saturn nobody else

 

[IIskandar1997]

Its a Vega or someone capable of pretending to be a Vega, but it definitely aint Saturn, remember that the traitor has been around for a long time. First they attracted the WG attention by destroying their envoys for months

Then they turned off the frontier dome, wich happened before we saw Saturn with Kizaru, so unless you think he is omnipresent it cant be him

But note that, according to Pythagoras, they couldnt detect anyone there, and all the Vegas were together and talking to each other when it happened, so to me that means its a Vega with remote access to the systems, so my guess is that its Punk records itself

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

Vegapunk>chip so shakas order would be higher as from the chip holder…. So it must be vegapunk himself or saturn nobody else

That is true, but that's not what the person I am talking to is saying. They're saying it's stupid that someone of the same rank can't override another person of the same ranks order.

I was telling them why it would be stupid if they could.

 

[Malio]

I'll be the first to say it. The traitor is the original Kuma clone, that went out of control. Current Kuma is subservient, & the Mark lll's are just robots. But Kuma 2.0 is most likely evil/tyrant Kuma, with all his powers

^This is what my initial thoughts were. But, then I figured why would Vegapunk give a Kuma clone power over the Seraphim?
So instead of a Kuma clone, that went AWOL, i am going with the traitor being the original Vegapunk clone, that went evil. I mean you don't always get it right the first time around, plus it'd make sense control wise

 

[Shiroyru]

Can’t be Saturn unless him being on the ship with Kizaru is out of sync with what is happening in Egghead and took place in the past. The dome deactivated in 1071 and Saturn was still on the ship with Kizaru in 1073.

Maybe Saturn has an Astral Projection DF or something like that

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@Paperchampion23 Also, I think the fact that Shaka is telling us that “a Vegapunk must have gave the order” is a good indicator that a Vegapunk did NOT give the order lol. Sounds like an obvious mislead

 

[Rambles]

Its Saturn. I'm willing to bet on it.

Really? What about a bet? The loser will have to change their avatar for a month. If it is Saturn, I will change my av to whatever you deem to give me, If it is Stussy, You will wear whatever I will chose.

Note: If it is a hologram of Saturn who has given the order ot the Seraphim, but it was projected by Stussy, I win.

 

[Apollo]

Really? What about a bet? The loser will have to change their avatar for a month. If it is Saturn, I will change my av to whatever you deem to give me, If it is Stussy, You will wear whatever I will chose.

Note: If it is a hologram of Saturn who has given the order ot the Seraphim, but it was projected by Stussy, I win.

Well consider this a deal then.