Questions & Mysteries Who scarred Ochoku?

[DarkWitch]

Whoever scarred Wang won't be important, it will probably just be some random pirate that tried to fight Wang but failed to defeated him.

If it was a former Rocks Pirate then it's either Ganzui or John imo, I highly doubt it was Whitebeard, Big Mom, or Kaido.

Maybe Shiki or Silver Axe, but I'll put them as a big maybe.

 

[Shiroyru]

Yeah, I don´t see how you can get around he´s clearly weaker then Blackbeard and Marco.

This is probably just a doffy situation, underworld connections, COC and a cult of personality among people who follow him, being really loyal. And similar with him willing to do sneaky methods to get on top(didn´t he turn shakky into the marines?)

and him getting a scar probably won´t be plot relevant, so idk

Tbh I really don’t understand why people keep disregarding my points about how it would be out of character for Oda to make a guy with his design, personality, and lineage a genuine top tier? Don’t shady characters like him almost always end up fodder (examples include Spandam, Orochi and Caribou)? Also, the fact that he’s basically a Caribou clone and clearly Caribou’s father doesn’t do him any favors, especially with how prevalent nepotism has become in this series. Is there any other example of a top tier having only fodder children? Every other top tier who’s a parent has at least one kid who’s also a top tier or top tier potential.

Sure, it’s possible that Oda will break these patterns with Ochoku and make him an actual top tier, but it doesn’t seem very likely to me

 

[Shiroyru]

Whoever scarred Wang won't be important, it will probably just be some random pirate that tried to fight Wang but failed to defeated him.

If it was a former Rocks Pirate then it's either Ganzui or John imo, I highly doubt it was Whitebeard, Big Mom, or Kaido.

Maybe Shiki or Silver Axe, but I'll put them as a big maybe.

Seeing as how we still don’t even know how WB got his scars, the only way we will ever learn how Ochoku got his scar is by a Hail Mary SBS question

 

[Shiroyru]

Even if we assume they are powerful it doesn't really matter, he still didn't have any territory besides Hachinosu and obviously wasn't nearly as motivated as the Yonko were. No reason to make him one of them if he's barely similar to them at all.

Well this just brings us back to my point about how CG became a Yonko crew despite only having one small island under their control. Also, aren’t you contradicting yourself here? You were saying earlier that Ochoku was fighting over territory with Shiki and the Yonko

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Well this just brings us back to my point about how CG became a Yonko crew despite only having one small island under their control. Also, aren’t you contradicting yourself here? You were saying earlier that Ochoku was fighting over territory with Shiki and the Yonko

I never said that he fought for anything besides Hachinosu. And again.. Cross Guild is a far bigger threat than Wang Zhi ever wanted to be.
You need to get over this paranoia you have for Wang Zhi and Shiki. You look stupid

 

[Shiroyru]

I never said that he fought for anything besides Hachinosu. And again.. Cross Guild is a far bigger threat than Wang Zhi ever wanted to be.
You need to get over this paranoia you have for Wang Zhi and Shiki. You look stupid

Bruh, I was literally one of the first people to push Wang being a top tier back when he got name dropped alongside Shiki back in chapter 957. I simply just changed my mind because he doesn’t strike me as the type of character that Oda would make strong, given Oda’s previous history with characters like Ochoku. I mean do you really think that fucking Caribou’s dad is gonna be a top tier in Nepotism Piece?

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Bruh, I was literally one of the first people to push Wang being a top tier back when he got name dropped alongside Shiki back in chapter 957. I simply just changed my mind because he doesn’t strike me as the type of character that Oda would make strong, given Oda’s previous history with characters like Ochoku. I mean do you really think that fucking Caribou’s dad is gonna be a top tier in Nepotism Piece?

Big Mom had normal parents and yet she's unbelievably strong. Who you're related to means shit in this verse. Stop coping and accept reality already.

 

[Shiroyru]

Big Mom had normal parents and yet she's unbelievably strong. Who you're related to means shit in this verse. Stop coping and accept reality already.

That’s not what I said though. I said no top tier has had only fodder kids, and Ochoku’s design is obviously heavily inspired by Caribou’s, so that makes it even more obvious that his PL is tied to Caribou’s in Oda’s mind

 

[soupongo]

Tbh I really don’t understand why people keep disregarding my points about how it would be out of character for Oda to make a guy with his design, personality, and lineage a genuine top tier? Don’t shady characters like him almost always end up fodder (examples include Spandam, Orochi and Caribou)? Also, the fact that he’s basically a Caribou clone and clearly Caribou’s father doesn’t do him any favors, especially with how prevalent nepotism has become in this series. Is there any other example of a top tier having only fodder children? Every other top tier who’s a parent has at least one kid who’s also a top tier or top tier potential.

Sure, it’s possible that Oda will break these patterns with Ochoku and make him an actual top tier, but it doesn’t seem very likely to me

Yeah, Oda obviously connects character strength and and PL. Top tier pirates are usually not going to use completely underhanded methods to gain their position(btw, if they don´t, Oda will just kind of give a nonsensical excuse,like how COC users cant run away except they totally can, it´s just a strategic retreat, its a vibes thing) Tbf, the child thing is a bit unfair, because we don´t really have many top tiers with strong biological children

 

[Shiroyru]

Yeah, Oda obviously connects character strength and and PL. Top tier pirates are usually not going to use completely underhanded methods to gain their position(btw, if they don´t, Oda will just kind of give a nonsensical excuse,like how COC users cant run away except they totally can, it´s just a strategic retreat, its a vibes thing) Tbf, the child thing is a bit unfair, because we don´t really have many top tiers with strong biological children

Wdym?

Garp had Dragon
Dragon had Luffy
Roger had Ace
Kaido had Yamato
BM had Katakuri
Rocks had BB
Garling had Shanks and Shamrock
Shamrock (probably) had Bonney
And Shanks’s kid with Makino will be the MC of Two Piece: Next Generations

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

That’s not what I said though. I said no top tier has had only fodder kids, and Ochoku’s design is obviously heavily inspired by Caribou’s, so that makes it even more obvious that his PL is tied to Caribou’s in Oda’s mind

Charlotte Flampe

Wdym?

Garp had Dragon
Dragon had Luffy
Roger had Ace
Kaido had Yamato
BM had Katakuri
Rocks had BB
Garling had Shanks and Shamrock
Shamrock (probably) had Bonney
And Shanks’s kid with Makino will be the MC of Two Piece: Next Generations

Bonney would be fodder without her fruit lol

 

[soupongo]

Wdym?

Garp had Dragon
Dragon had Luffy
Roger had Ace
Kaido had Yamato
BM had Katakuri
Rocks had BB
Garling had Shanks and Shamrock
Shamrock (probably) had Bonney
And Shanks’s kid with Makino will be the MC of Two Piece: Next Generations

Well, BM had Katakuri, out of like 100 children, a good amount of which are fodder.
Bonney isn´t particularly strong beyond her fruit, I don´t think(?) I don´t remember the details, so whatever
Gaban obviously had Colon, whos literal fodder
Harald had Hajrudin......lol
And Shanks´s kid could end up being literal fodder as well
Plus, Akainu maybe has a daughter who´s kind of a regular scrub marine in Sword.

 

[TheKnightOfTheSea]

Wdym?

Garp had Dragon
Dragon had Luffy
Roger had Ace
Kaido had Yamato
BM had Katakuri
Rocks had BB
Garling had Shanks and Shamrock
Shamrock (probably) had Bonney
And Shanks’s kid with Makino will be the MC of Two Piece: Next Generations

Dragon and Yamato are barely mid tiers

 

[Shiroyru]

Charlotte Flampe

Bonney would be fodder without her fruit lol

I said no top tier parent has only fodder kids. Obviously not all of BM’s 78 kids can be super strong, but BM still has Katakuri, Smoother, Cracker, Perospero, etc

Bonney learned Haki at age 10 lol, and why would we not count her fruit lol?

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

I said no top tier parent has only fodder kids. Obviously not all of BM’s 78 kids can be super strong, but BM still has Katakuri, Smoother, Cracker, Perospero, etc

Bonney learned Haki at age 10 lol, and why would we not count her fruit lol?

But Big Mom having multiple fodder kids shows that a top tier isn't required to have a strong child.

 

[Shiroyru]

But Big Mom having multiple fodder kids shows that a top tier isn't required to have a strong child.

My point is that all top tier parents have at least one strong kid

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

My point is that all top tier parents have at least one strong kid

Colon

 

[Shiroyru]

Colon

The dude’s only like 7, he’ll definitely be a top tier in Two Piece: Next Generations, seeing as how he’s the only warrior giant kid rn

 

[Shiroyru]

@soupongo @Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier

In Wano, didn’t they use the fact that Adult Momo looked “just like Oden” to hype up his potential? Ngl Wang Zhi might be kinda cooked then, seeing as how he looks way more like his fodder son Caribou than Adult Momo looks like Lolden

 

[soupongo]

@soupongo @Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier

In Wano, didn’t they use the fact that Adult Momo looked “just like Oden” to hype up his potential? Ngl Wang Zhi might be kinda cooked then, seeing as how he looks way more like his fodder son Caribou than Adult Momo looks like Lolden

Lol, stop trolling. Those types of comments aren´t really related to current power levels or anything like that