General & Others Who still thinks Zoro surpasses Oden this arc ?

[Kromage911]

what makes you think that?

Mostly headcanon thb but I think it's really probable.

Firstly, keeping him so mysterious for this long only for him to turn up as a good guy would be a waste.

Secondly, introducing the main villain in the first chapter itself seems like something Oda would do. Also, Oda wanted One Piece to be only 5 years long at the start so it's highly probable that he wanted the main characters, antagonists included to be introduced early on.

Thirdly, his connections to the WG like with Sengoku saying that he's doing him a favor as it's 'him' and the Gorosei saying the same thing. Also, his very probable connections to the underworld.

Lastly, I have various different theories on how Oda can go about him as a villain, a lot of which are connected to Rocks himself. I think I'll share them later in detail.

 

[Zowo]

Why is it a point against Oden to not have made a black blade when he probably just didn't have the amount of time needed to do so, rather I view it as a gone to soon type of way.

20+ years is not enough

 

[Ravagerblade]

20+ years is not enough

Does Countless battles mean nothing then?

 

[CaptainJackSparrow]

Does Countless battles mean nothing then?

Oden had Enma for a long time if he could make it black he would have. Dude took part in many battles too. He just wasn’t strong enough to forge a black blade.

 

[Gon’s Missing Arm]

Zoro will blacken Enma by the end of Wano. And the Kaido Oden faced was not the Kaido we have here, I think Garp or Sengoku say something like Big Mom and Kaido have gotten many times stronger since then. Those 5 were just people that defeated him or put a good fight in the past.

 

[Kromage911]

Zoro will blacken Enma by the end of Wano. And the Kaido Oden faced was not the Kaido we have here, I think Garp or Sengoku say something like Big Mom and Kaido have gotten many times stronger since then. Those 5 were just people that defeated him or put a good fight in the past.

Garp and Sengoku were talking about Kaido and BM from 40 years ago and not 20.

 

[Sword God Ryuma]

Oden is not only a man who scared Kaido, he is a man who could fight on equal terms with the yonko Kaido:

Oden did not fight together with anyone, he was alone, and he could still give a scar Kaido permanently

So, to overcome Oden, Zoro needs to do better than: fight Kaido in 1v1, alone, combine with him in power with his club, and alone, make a permanent scar in his dragon form

There is definitely someone who thinks Zoro will overtake a legitimate top tier. See how illusory it is, it's incredible that this is still a discussion

Zoro >/= King is all these fanboys are going to have

Oddn has never fought a Youkou Kaido

 

[Ravagerblade]

Oden had Enma for a long time if he could make it black he would have. Dude took part in many battles too. He just wasn’t strong enough to forge a black blade.

Doubt.

 

[Sword God Ryuma]

Not even Luffy will surpass Oden this arc, let alone Zoro.

Luffy and Zoro would beat him after this arc.

 

[Fujishiro]

20+ years is not enough

Why does Roger not have a black blade.

 

[Sword God Ryuma]

But there is no buildup for him to surpass him this arc. A lot of people use the "Do what I couldn't do" statement, as a means to back this claim, but it's not that Oden couldn't do it because he lacked the strength, it's he couldn't do it because he was tricked and ultimately defeated because of it.

They also want to use the "Zoro will turn Enma black argument" and at the same time, nothing indicates Zoro will do that on Wano. In fact it doesn't even make sense for him to do it on Wano, when we clearly see he can't even fully utilize Enma to it's maximum potential right now. Anybody can spot how much of an asspull it would be for Zoro to go from being unable to wield Enma properly, to turning it black in the span of a single fight, when Oden couldn't do it after spending years with the blade.

You mean like Luffy got FS in a single fight and Zoro did breate of all things in a single fight?

 

[Kuro Ashi]

I think people forget that Yamato will also join for the Kaido fight, maybe even more characters.

There's no way he get's ganged up like that, and multiple of the characters jumping him end up stronger than top tiers like Shanks or Oden in this arc already

It took Luffy fighing a Yonko First mate 1 vs 1 to reach Yonko First Mate level. Now we're forming a whole raid group, and these people will surpass top tiers in this fight against a top tier.

 

[Marimo_420]

So all this because "Zoro hasn't faced a yc1 in combat?"

That's sad lmao.



OT: Based on the title of this thread. Me.


Thought he would come out Oden level post Wano, but right now I'm more certain than ever that Zoro will be surpassing him this arc.

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

You mean like Luffy got FS in a single fight and Zoro did breate of all things in a single fight?

There's at least a valid in verse explanation for that with Haki blooming under extreme circumstances.

Zoro can't even fully control Enma, let alone is close to mastering it. Are we expected to believe that Zoro goes from not being able to properly control it, to mastering, to blackening it, in one fight, with no in verse explanation as to how that should be possible, when someone who had already mastered it couldn't turn it black for years?

I mean, I suppose if Oden did the bulk of the leg work towards blackening it, and Zoro just gives it that little extra push that it needs to fully blacken, then him blackening the Sword this arc wouldn't feel asspullish, but if that's the case, it still doesn't mean he's surpassed Oden. It just means he completed what Oden started but couldn't complete due to his premature death.

 

[Ravagerblade]

There's at least a valid in verse explanation for that with Haki blooming under extreme circumstances.

Zoro can't even fully control Enma, let alone is close to mastering it. Are we expected to believe that Zoro goes from not being able to properly control it, to mastering, to blackening it, in one fight, with no in verse explanation as to how that should be possible, when someone who had already mastered it couldn't turn it black for years?

I mean, I suppose if Oden did the bulk of the leg work towards blackening it, and Zoro just gives it that little extra push that it needs to fully blacken, then him blackening the Sword this arc wouldn't feel asspullish, but if that's the case, it still doesn't mean he's surpassed Oden. It just means he completed what Oden started but couldn't complete due to his premature death.

and that's what I've been suggesting, We know so little of how exactly to make a Black Blade; Countless Battles aside.

 

[CaptainJackSparrow]

Doubt.

No doubt. If oden could he would have.

 

[Guymieux]

There's at least a valid in verse explanation for that with Haki blooming under extreme circumstances.

Zoro can't even fully control Enma, let alone is close to mastering it. Are we expected to believe that Zoro goes from not being able to properly control it, to mastering, to blackening it, in one fight, with no in verse explanation as to how that should be possible, when someone who had already mastered it couldn't turn it black for years?

I mean, I suppose if Oden did the bulk of the leg work towards blackening it, and Zoro just gives it that little extra push that it needs to fully blacken, then him blackening the Sword this arc wouldn't feel asspullish, but if that's the case, it still doesn't mean he's surpassed Oden. It just means he completed what Oden started but couldn't complete due to his premature death.

Are you saying odens haki sat in his blade for 20 years ? Are you that desperate? That’s possibly the dumbest thing I’ve heard on this site yet . If that was the case zoro would have split kaido open this chapter . Act like you have some sense

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I think people forget that Yamato will also join for the Kaido fight, maybe even more characters.

There's no way he get's ganged up like that, and multiple of the characters jumping him end up stronger than top tiers like Shanks or Oden in this arc already

It took Luffy fighing a Yonko First mate 1 vs 1 to reach Yonko First Mate level. Now we're forming a whole raid group, and these people will surpass top tiers in this fight against a top tier.

Tell me more about how Yamato will join the fight Oda !

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

Are you saying odens haki sat in his blade for 20 years ? Are you that desperate? That’s possibly the dumbest thing I’ve heard on this site yet . If that was the case zoro would have split kaido open this chapter . Act like you have some sense

Makes a hell of a lot more sense than Zoro who can barely control the sword to begin with, magically masters and blackens it in a single fight when someone who had mastered it for decades couldn't. Take your own advice, and show some common sense, and stop acting like your not reading a fictional story with magical fruits, and Dragons, and powers that stem from the spirit.

 

[Guymieux]

Makes a hell of a lot more sense than Zoro who can barely control the sword to begin with, magically masters and blackens it in a single fight when someone who had mastered it for decades couldn't. Take your own advice, and show some common sense.

Well I guess you’ll think Oda has lost his mind because zoro is turning it black this arc. I’ll be sure to come quote all the garbage you spewed though don’t worry about it.

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

Well I guess you’ll think Oda has lost his mind because zoro is turning it black this arc. I’ll be sure to come quote all the garbage you spewed though don’t worry about it.

Make sure you do. :cheers: