General & Others Who still thinks Zoro surpasses Oden this arc ?

[Garp the Fist]

If Zoro surpasses Oden, does Luffy surpass Saint Shanks by the end of Wano as well ?

There’s a very good argument that he will. We went into Wano with Saint Shanks saying he and Luffy will meet soon. Which means that Luffy will be a great pirate at the end of it.

That could well mean that post-Wano Luffy is as strong as Saint Shanks.

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So how high do you think the bar was to make it into that lineup we get behind Luffy ?

Roger, Whitebeard, Xebec and Saint Shanks are the only others, how far bellow is Oden ?

Like I’ve said on other threads, I think all the top tiers can make that lineup. Those five are just the ones Kaido has personally fought.

 

[Kuro Ashi]

There’s a very good argument that he will. We went into Wano with Saint Shanks saying he and Luffy will meet soon. Which means that Luffy will be a great pirate at the end of it.

That could well mean that post-Wano Luffy is as strong as Saint Shanks.

Most agreed that post WCI Luffy was as strong as Katakuri, after he sort of defeated Katakuri in a mostly 1 vs 1 fight.

Why does it take a team fight now, with one of those supporting him being close to his equal i guess the way you are framing it for Zoro, to face someone that by the end of the arc Luffy will end up equal to if he's also equal to or stronger than Saint Shanks ?

 

[Garp the Fist]

Most agreed that post Wano Luffy was as strong as Katakuri, after he sort of defeated Katakuri in a mostly 1 vs 1 fight.

You’re meaning post WCI Luffy, right?

Why does it take a team fight now, with one of the one's supporting him being close to his equal i guess the way you are framing it for Zoro, to face someone that by the end of the arc Luffy will end up equal to if he's also equal to or stronger than Saint Shanks ?

Cause it’s in the fight that Luffy and Zoro will push themselves to Saint Shanks and Oden levels. They aren’t there now, the same way Luffy wasn’t as strong as Katakuri until later in the fight. Also it’s not a straight one vs one as BM is involved, and Kaido himself is still stronger than both Saint Shanks and Oden were- I do not believe that if Oden was alive today he’d be either the WSS, or considered stronger than Kaido.

 

[mly90]

I think Zoro will at least match Oden after this arc and surpass him in the next arc forging his own black blades.

 

[York]

I think Zoro will cut Kaido in a way that at least matches Oden, if not surpasses him. This doesn't necessarily mean I think he'd win in a 1v1, however.

 

[Kuro Ashi]

You’re meaning post WCI Luffy, right?


Cause it’s in the fight that Luffy and Zoro will push themselves to Saint Shanks and Oden levels. They aren’t there now, the same way Luffy wasn’t as strong as Katakuri until later in the fight. Also it’s not a straight one vs one as BM is involved, and Kaido himself is still stronger than both Saint Shanks and Oden were- I do not believe that if Oden was alive today he’d be either the WSS, or considered stronger than Kaido.

Well yeah, but it's not just Luffy and Zoro either.

Are we really not a bit trigger happy with the power level jumps here ?

Luffy walks out of Wano as not only someone Saint Shanks would recognize as a great pirate, but his superior ?

Zoro walks out of Wano as stronger than someone who you think is a solid top tier in Oden ?

So we have what, two top tiers in the crew who already reach towards Roger/WB heights, before even walking into Elbaf ?

 

[HA001]

Well yeah, but it's not just Luffy and Zoro either.

Are we really not a bit trigger happy with the power level jumps here ?

Luffy walks out of Wano as not only someone Saint Shanks would recognize as a great pirate, but his superior ?

Zoro walks out of Wano as stronger than someone who you think is a solid top tier in Oden ?

So we have what, two top tiers in the crew who already reach towards Roger/WB heights, before even walking into Elbaf ?

why not the next big fights will be
bb and shiryu
who will be a stronger wb and oden respectively

 

[Kuro Ashi]

why not the next big fights will be
bb and shiryu
who will be stronger wb and oden respectively

Blackbeard better run, there's no fucking tension for that arc if Luffy > Saint Shanks and Zoro > Oden already

 

[HA001]

Blackbeard better run, there's no fucking tension for that arc if Luffy > Saint Shanks and Zoro > Oden already

How did you figure that out ?
primebeard > Saint Shanks
bb > primebeard > Saint Shanks

 

[Kuro Ashi]

How did you figure that out ?
primebeard > Saint Shanks
bb > primebeard > Saint Shanks

And how does BB prove that ? By beating Saint Shanks ?

Big whoop, Luffy already > Saint Shanks in a couple of volumes apparently, maybe as soon as two arcs before facing Blackbeard

 

[HA001]

And how does BB prove that ? By beating Saint Shanks ?

Big whoop, Luffy already > Saint Shanks in a couple of volumes apparently, maybe as soon as two arcs before facing Blackbeard

Lmfao stop crying cause sanjos jobber ass is getting left behind
after this arc there only one yonko left to fight
luffy and Saint Shanks will never fight
oda said Saint Shanks is making his move
besides he said as strong as Saint Shanks
if bb beats Saint Shanks who luffy is as strong as how does that remove the tension

 

[KiriNigiri]

He will. This chapter did nothing to deter that.

At the beginning of the chapter, Kaido begins to recognize Luffy as on the same pedestal as legends who could fight him.

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Recognizes Luffy as a worthy opponent.

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Then he wants to see how the others measure up, considering they are Luffy's peers.

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He proceeds to take Zoro and Killer's attacks, complimenting them based on the fact his expectations were met to a degree following Luffy.

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All while Zoro still has more to offer.

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Kaido later calls them "monsters." And following that, preaches to them that this is a decisive battle for who will be Pirate King. He recognizes them as worthy opponents already.

Let's preface that this is just the beginning phases of the battle. Zoro has plenty of room to still show more/grow during so.

 

[Garp the Fist]

Well yeah, but it's not just Luffy and Zoro either.

Are we really not a bit trigger happy with the power level jumps here ?

Luffy walks out of Wano as not only someone Saint Shanks would recognize as a great pirate, but his superior ?

Zoro walks out of Wano as stronger than someone who you think is a solid top tier in Oden ?

So we have what, two top tiers in the crew who already reach towards Roger/WB heights, before even walking into Elbaf ?

One Piece is ending. Everything Oda has said recently points to post Wano (Elbaf- Laugh Tale - Final War) being a massive, cohesive end storyline.

Luffy went into Wano already being heralded as an Emperor, he’s coming out of it with that position cemented. Luffy and Zoro will need to be in the position to fight for their dreams of being Pirate King and WSS. The Kaido fight has them beating a top tier as a group, after that all there is for them is doing it solo.

 

[Chaves]

Oden is not only a man who scared Kaido, he is a man who could fight on equal terms with the yonko Kaido:

Oden did not fight together with anyone, he was alone, and he could still give a scar Kaido permanently

So, to overcome Oden, Zoro needs to do better than: fight Kaido in 1v1, alone, combine with him in power with his club, and alone, make a permanent scar in his dragon form

There is definitely someone who thinks Zoro will overtake a legitimate top tier. See how illusory it is, it's incredible that this is still a discussion

Zoro >/= King is all these fanboys are going to have

 

[HA001]

Oden is not only a man who healed Kaido, he is a man who could fight on equal terms with the yonko Kaido:

Oden did not fight together with anyone, he was alone, and he could still give a scar Kaido permanently

So, to overcome Oden, Zoro needs to do better than: fight Kaido in 1v1, alone, combine with him in power with his club, and alone, make a permanent scar in his dragon form

There is definitely someone who thinks Zoro will overtake a legitimate top tier. See how illusory it is, it's incredible that this is still a discussion

Zoro >/= King is all these fanboys are going to have

That clash was it, and orochi stopped it straight away.
Zoro will do minimum what oden did to kaido
lmfao how are you even still here you said zoro would never even face kaido now like a Saint Rat youre shifting goalposts

 

[Kuro Ashi]

One Piece is ending. Everything Oda has said recently points to post Wano (Elbaf- Laugh Tale - Final War) being a massive, cohesive end storyline.

Luffy went into Wano already being heralded as an Emperor, he’s coming out of it with that position cemented. Luffy and Zoro will need to be in the position to fight for their dreams of being Pirate King and WSS. The Kaido fight has them beating a top tier as a group, after that all there is for them is doing it solo.

Does Zoro need to be stronger than Oden to defeat his next significant opponent according to this ? How strong is Shiryu going to be ?

How strong is Mihawk for Zoro to be stronger than a top tier, two arcs before facing Shiryu and three or four arcs before facing Mihawk depending on when that happens ?

How much of a challenge will the upcoming arcs be with Luffy stronger than Saint Shanks and Zoro stronger than Oden ?

Also, it's a bit funny how we're making these step by step they need to prove themselves above this and that for the next step, and at the same time don't have Zoro face and defeat a single YC in 1 vs 1 combat based on some's expectations

 

[HA001]

Does Zoro need to be stronger than Oden to defeat his next significant opponent according to this ? How strong is Shiryu going to be ?

How strong is Mihawk for Zoro to be stronger than a top tier, two arcs before facing Shiryu and three or four arcs before facing Mihawk depending on when that happens ?

How much of a challenge will the upcoming arcs be with Luffy stronger than Saint Shanks and Zoro stronger than Oden ?

Also, it's a bit funny how we're making these step by step they need to prove themselves above this and that for the next step, and at the same time don't have Zoro face and defeat a single YC in 1 vs 1 combat based on some's expectations

Shiryu himself will be stronger than oden
he is odens parallel in blackbeards crew
not to mention his fruit will be used to boost zoros coo

 

[Garp the Fist]

Does Zoro need to be stronger than Oden to defeat his next significant opponent according to this ? How strong is Shiryu going to be ?

How strong is Mihawk for Zoro to be stronger than a top tier, two arcs before facing Shiryu and three or four arcs before facing Mihawk depending on when that happens ?

How much of a challenge will the upcoming arcs be with Luffy stronger than Saint Shanks and Zoro stronger than Oden ?

Also, it's a bit funny how we're making these step by step they need to prove themselves above this and that for the next step, and at the same time don't have Zoro face and defeat a single YC in 1 vs 1 combat based on some's expectations

All this is answered by what I’ve said- One Piece is ending soon. The only threats Luffy and Zoro need to face after Wano are the greatest threats they will ever see.

Shiryu, for example, is Blackbeard’s version of Rayleigh, Oden and Zoro. So the answer to the question of how strong he’ll be is very. It does not take much for Oda to hype up an opponents strength. We had no idea Oden was so powerful at the start of Wano. Two chapters ago the majority of readers here had Killer marked down as basically garbage.

Zoro doesn’t need to beat a YC anymore than Kid or Law needed to. He’s fighting Kaido and BM, that’s all the proof of strength we need.

 

[Jo_Ndule]

One Piece is ending. Everything Oda has said recently points to post Wano (Elbaf- Laugh Tale - Final War) being a massive, cohesive end storyline.

Luffy went into Wano already being heralded as an Emperor, he’s coming out of it with that position cemented. Luffy and Zoro will need to be in the position to fight for their dreams of being Pirate King and WSS. The Kaido fight has them beating a top tier as a group, after that all there is for them is doing it solo.

No

Oden didn't need X or that to match kaido in the castle
To land a hit and scar Kaido
To make WB shook

Let zoro even be above YCs before he is put next to Commander Oden (who is low top/inbetweener)
Prime Oden > Commander Oden > Young Oden ~ enma Zoro

 

[kom5]

Oden ,Rayleigh or Saint Shanks all have the highest level of COA internal destruction if he gets the haki which he doesnt have right now he will be stronger or be strong as him