Character Discussion Who took Ryuma's eye?
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Kawamatsu mentions this detail because he is naturally from the country of Wano. Kawamatsu must have heard various stories about Ryuma, the one-eyed swordsman.
Note that Ryuma has a scar on the eye and another on the face (2 scars).
Note that Ryuma has a scar on the eye and another on the face (2 scars).
My personal headcannon is just like god valley the celestial dragons (with nasujuro) came to wano to have there game. Gyukimaru mentions first that One of ryuma legends is defending wano from the wg, we know that his history of battle is a key part of making a black blade. To me in this battle to defend wano he forges his black blade, this could be while defending or maybe the conditions are met after the defeat of nasujuro and they leave… anyways during the fight nasujuro takes his eye this would cement the callback when nasujuro and zoro meet. After this the dragon comes in… could be a real one from the celestial dragons,or a western dragon df (since monsters is cannon but the place is weirdly still western-ish…black blade ryuma slays the dragon over the flower capital… oda could also do something weird like battle vs nasujuro (black blade), slays dragon over flower capital, ryuma leaves wano looking for wss to fight not knowing it was himself after defeating nasujuro and slays the western dragon at some other place ultimately at the end he returns to wano where he dies …idk lol so many options 
Reyleigh has the same eye and chest scar position as Zoro and Ryuma. We know Zoro's chest scar came from Mihawk and got his eye sealed after being mentored by Mihawk so I think their eyes is/was still intact and they performed some sort of demonic ritual to conceal their hidden powers.
Which led me to believe that the other two got it from Mihawk the same way he gave it to Zoro, through training and guidance.
One explanation I can think of is Nusjuro was running Wano back then and Ryuma fought him to get their independence back. Successfully wielding Black Blade and gaining the epithet "sword god" and since the World Nobles are considered gods. Nusjuro declared Wano dangerous, excommunicated it from the World Government and closed off the country as a result
Which led me to believe that the other two got it from Mihawk the same way he gave it to Zoro, through training and guidance.
One explanation I can think of is Nusjuro was running Wano back then and Ryuma fought him to get their independence back. Successfully wielding Black Blade and gaining the epithet "sword god" and since the World Nobles are considered gods. Nusjuro declared Wano dangerous, excommunicated it from the World Government and closed off the country as a result
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In the manga Monsters and on its anime adaptation Ryuma is a master swordsman
We know that in the end of his life he looked like this because of Thriller Bark.
Ryuma is from Wano and was the WSS.
He problably was the first person ever to forge a black blade.
What battles did he fought after the dragon?
Who was strong enough to take his eye?
We know that in the end of his life he looked like this because of Thriller Bark.
Ryuma is from Wano and was the WSS.
He problably was the first person ever to forge a black blade.
What battles did he fought after the dragon?
Who was strong enough to take his eye?
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That takes a LOT away from the hosts tho, on top of showcasing even more that you aren't shit in OP's world if you aren't some sort of chosen one.
SOOOOOO, did mihawk use the ancient knight against shanks or was it just his base form?
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One eyed symbolism in one piece is masonic symbolism done by oda, just like the winks and "OK" signs that nami does, but actually mean a totally different thing.
You can't break into mainstream without paying the "price", one piece is full of masonic symbolism, those are just the most obvious.
SOOOOOO, did mihawk use the ancient knight against shanks or was it just his base form?
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One eyed symbolism in one piece is masonic symbolism done by oda, just like the winks and "OK" signs that nami does, but actually mean a totally different thing.
You can't break into mainstream without paying the "price", one piece is full of masonic symbolism, those are just the most obvious.
Yes, just like Hakuba is Way Superior than Cavendish
However, it doesn't mean that every Host is a Fighter, the Fact that almost all of them aren't Awakened means the Hosts are incomparable to Ancient Knights
Luffy also Awakened his DF which made him Stronger, We could say his DF is what carried him to Top Tier
But it's explained that you can't achieve Awakening unless you become One with your DF in Mind/Body
So the Hosts who Awaken are worthy of such Power
This is a Concept that Oda does with Everything
With Swords, you need to be Worthy of them
With DFs, you need to be Worthy of Awakening them
With Ancient Spirits, you need to be Worthy to Fuse/Awaken
And the same Concept will be revealed regarding Gorosei's Demonic Forms
And how Races originated (Such as Fishmen & Mink who are Fusion of Two Species)
... etc
It all revolves around Haki Energy applied in different ways (When Oda explains Haki in Detail, all Mysteries will be Answered).
As for Mihawk, He didn't use Ancient Knight against Shanks, that's why even though there is no indication that Mihawk won their Duels, He is not interested in Fighting him
Mihawk who is 43 Years Old can have an Extreme Diff Fight with High Top Tiers such as Shanks, but unless They prove themselves to be beyond Top Tiers, He isn't convinced to let Ancient Knight Fight
But against Zoro, if Mihawk is Matched by Zoro's Two-Swords Style, then He will know that Zoro is Faster with One-Sword & Stronger with Three-Swords, which will push Mihawk to switch with his Ancient Knight, and that's who Zoro truly needs to beat for Title of Best Swordsman Ever
However, it doesn't mean that every Host is a Fighter, the Fact that almost all of them aren't Awakened means the Hosts are incomparable to Ancient Knights
Luffy also Awakened his DF which made him Stronger, We could say his DF is what carried him to Top Tier
But it's explained that you can't achieve Awakening unless you become One with your DF in Mind/Body
So the Hosts who Awaken are worthy of such Power
This is a Concept that Oda does with Everything
With Swords, you need to be Worthy of them
With DFs, you need to be Worthy of Awakening them
With Ancient Spirits, you need to be Worthy to Fuse/Awaken
And the same Concept will be revealed regarding Gorosei's Demonic Forms
And how Races originated (Such as Fishmen & Mink who are Fusion of Two Species)
... etc
It all revolves around Haki Energy applied in different ways (When Oda explains Haki in Detail, all Mysteries will be Answered).
As for Mihawk, He didn't use Ancient Knight against Shanks, that's why even though there is no indication that Mihawk won their Duels, He is not interested in Fighting him
Mihawk who is 43 Years Old can have an Extreme Diff Fight with High Top Tiers such as Shanks, but unless They prove themselves to be beyond Top Tiers, He isn't convinced to let Ancient Knight Fight
But against Zoro, if Mihawk is Matched by Zoro's Two-Swords Style, then He will know that Zoro is Faster with One-Sword & Stronger with Three-Swords, which will push Mihawk to switch with his Ancient Knight, and that's who Zoro truly needs to beat for Title of Best Swordsman Ever
Nasjuro was Ryuma's sensei and teached him the path of Swordman
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As I said Mihawk is not end game material.
Venus has already Kitetsu blade, immortality and he knew Ryuma, and he is probably even related to Zoro.
Nusjuro probably even have same attacks as Zoro have, but much stronger and better. And plus he is devil fruit user.
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As I said Mihawk is not end game material.
Venus has already Kitetsu blade, immortality and he knew Ryuma, and he is probably even related to Zoro.
Nusjuro probably even have same attacks as Zoro have, but much stronger and better. And plus he is devil fruit user.
If it is due to battle wound then it can be used to hype up that character (if they are relevant for the story). Does not make sense for Nasujuro since them being alive in Ryuma's time at this point is just headcanon. Secondly if one of the Gorosei were alive and able to wound Ryuma in such a way (remember this Ryuma already forged a black blade) then why were they unable to overtake Wano.
There is also a very big chance that this is just a stylistic choice by Oda in the end, even Zoro has become one eyed and we are 500+ chapters since TS and we still don't know shit about how it happened. So how Ryuma got that eye wound (considering it even happened in battle) getting explained is a long shot. He was known as a one eyed samurai so it was during his fighting days at least.
There is also a very big chance that this is just a stylistic choice by Oda in the end, even Zoro has become one eyed and we are 500+ chapters since TS and we still don't know shit about how it happened. So how Ryuma got that eye wound (considering it even happened in battle) getting explained is a long shot. He was known as a one eyed samurai so it was during his fighting days at least.
