General & Others Why are most Celestial Dragons ugly?

[FlyFlower]

Look at the wannabe gods. They're all ugly, even the women. No wonder the loser men kidnap beautiful Commoner women.
Because even a Gold Digger has no interest in marrying a Celestial Dragon.

The Holy Knights look good.
Killingham wears this Celestial Dragon bubble like the ugly fodder Celestial Dragons. He's definitely ugly

 

[SkySanji]

Inbreeding + caricature bad guys

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Better question is, why are some of them (Gunko, Shamrock, Garling etc.) good looking?
We know for a fact that they usually inbreed, so it's weird some of them actually look handsome

 

[Bullet]

Caricature bad guys like Wapol, Sabo's brother etc...
The ones that matter look normal like the gorosei and HK.

 

[Roo]

Because often times in art bad people are drawn ugly. Look at how Mjosgard went from a dweeb to a Chad when he became a good person

 

[MonsterKaido]

Because oda wants to draw them like that. It makes no sense for relevant CDs like figarlands to look good.

 

[BattalGazi]

Because they are shitty bad people with worst characters and you expect them to look good?

 

[Rumble]

Who do you think the Celestial Dragons breed with?

Other Celestial Dragons.

There's probably not enough of them to maintain genetic diversity.

 

[soupongo]

they probably wouldn't look as bad if they loss weight

 

[FlyFlower]

Because they are shitty bad people with worst characters and you expect them to look good?

Young Garling is handsome even though he is a bad person like Charlos

 

[Jew D. Boy]

Inbreeding, laziness, and the fact that rich/evil people live forever but simultaneously age like milk due to the boundless hatred and prejudice that resides within them

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Inbreeding, laziness, and the fact that rich/evil people live forever but simultaneously age like milk due to the boundless hatred and prejudice that resides within them

holy shit welcome back lol

 

[Kung-Fu Dugong]

Better question is, why are some of them (Gunko, Shamrock, Garling etc.) good looking?
We know for a fact that they usually inbreed, so it's weird some of them actually look handsome

Sometimes an outlier appears. For example, the Habsburgs did a lot of inbreeding to maintain the family in power and many of them were born with genetic deformities (especially the spanish branch), which ultimately rendered their royal heritage extinct... however, sometimes a better looking one would appear (e.g.: Philip the Handsome, although he's from the branch who didn't inbreed that much).

Also, so far we haven't seen a confirmed case of inbreeding among the CDs. Homing didn't seem to do that. Even Rosward's family doesn't seem to adhere to this rule (Charlos has several wives, at least one of them being a confirmed commoner). So maybe it isn't such a strict guideline at all.

 

[Roo]

Who do you think the Celestial Dragons breed with?

Other Celestial Dragons.

There's probably not enough of them to maintain genetic diversity.

Eh pretty sure 21 families is probably enough genetic diversity

besides they also buy slaves and marry them

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Sometimes an outlier appears. For example, the Habsburgs did a lot of inbreeding to maintain the family in power and many of them were born with genetic deformities (especially the spanish branch), which ultimately rendered their royal heritage extinct... however, sometimes a better looking one would appear (e.g.: Philip the Handsome, although he's from the branch who didn't inbreed that much).

Also, so far we haven't seen a confirmed case of inbreeding among the CDs. Homing didn't seem to do that. Even Rosward's family doesn't seem to adhere to this rule (Charlos has several wives, at least one of them being a confirmed commoner). So maybe it isn't such a strict guideline at all.

Fair points, but I'd like to mention that I believe everyone just assumes they like to inbreed since they have a mentality where they believe that the people on lower grounds are mortal peasants with no good blood in them whatsoever. So it'd track for them to decide to inbreed so that they can maintain pure "godly" blood between eachother.
Though Ginny being raped and knocked up by Shamrock/Garling does imply that once in a blue moon they'll breed with people outside the CD bloodline, but even that likely has a specific requirement (like the person having good genes and being fertile and what not)

 

[Thaidakar]

Wdym, Celestial Gigadragon Charlos looks majestic

 

[Rumble]

Eh pretty sure 21 families is probably enough genetic diversity

besides they also buy slaves and marry them

21 families, but how many of them were there at the start? If you look into minimum viable population, you'll find it's a widely debated topic with various figures, but 500 is where most of the consensus appears to lie. I doubt there were close to that many at the start.

The CDs take on wives and have children with them, but do you think those children are considered CDs? I don't think so. Bonney does not appear to be considered a CD, and who would expect her to be?

We're talking about people that don't even want to breathe the same air as commoners. There's no way the child of a concubine or even a wife would be considered equal to a pureblood CD of CD parentage on both sides.

 

[FlyFlower]

21 families, but how many of them were there at the start? If you look into minimum viable population, you'll find it's a widely debated topic with various figures, but 500 is where most of the consensus appears to lie. I doubt there were close to that many at the start.

The CDs take on wive and have children with them, but do you think those children are considered CDs? I don't think so. Bonney does not appear to be considered a CD, and who would expect her to be?

We're talking about people that don't even want to breathe the same air as commoners. There's no way the child of a concubine or even a wife would be considered equal to a pureblood CD of CD parentage on both sides.

I think Shamrock is a half-blood and has worked hard to rise to the top and was recognized by Garling for his strength.

He and Gunko have no saint title. Gunko doesn't even have a family name. Gunko will be like Bonney.

Her CD father gave her to Saturn. She was experimented on as a child and was a success.

 

[Roo]

21 families, but how many of them were there at the start? If you look into minimum viable population, you'll find it's a widely debated topic with various figures, but 500 is where most of the consensus appears to lie. I doubt there were close to that many at the start.

The CDs take on wive and have children with them, but do you think those children are considered CDs? I don't think so. Bonney does not appear to be considered a CD, and who would expect her to be?

We're talking about people that don't even want to breathe the same air as commoners. There's no way the child of a concubine or even a wife would be considered equal to a pureblood CD of CD parentage on both sides.

I assumed by families it mean the royals, including extended family like cousins and what not. 21 can easily stack up to like 500 people

Yeah I think Bonney was thrown away because of her disease. I don’t think Imu is stupid enough to believe they can survive by just inbreeding lol. Remember even as bad guys they’ve shown a measure of practicality

 

[Rumble]

I think Shamrock is a half-blood and has worked hard to rise to the top and was recognized by Garling for his strength.

Cook. Immediately.

He and Gunko have no saint title. Gunko doesn't even have a family name. Gunko will be like Bonney.

It's an interesting potential clue, but I think it's premature to conclude this based on what little information we have of the Knights, their families, or really the Celestial Dragons as a whole, whether it's their families, alignments or titles.

Her CD father gave her to Saturn. She was experimented on as a child and was a success.

I thought of this, I consider it evidence Bonney isn't a CD, precisely because of the fact her mother wasn't.

I assumed by families it mean the royals, including extended family like cousins and what not. 21 can easily stack up to like 500 people

Possibly, but it was quite the turbulent time at the dawn of the Third World. I don't imagine conditions were favourable to massive royal families at the start of the conflict against the Ancient Kingdom, and less so at the end of it.

The Ancient Weapons did quite a number on the world. I'm all but certain nowhere near that many royals survived. Whatever happened, I hope Oda doesn't skim on the details.

Yeah I think Bonney was thrown away because of her disease. I don’t think Imu is stupid enough to believe they can survive by just inbreeding lol. Remember even as bad guys they’ve shown a measure of practicality

All possible, but I think it less likely than the likelihood Bonney isn't a CD, and Imu probably didn't have a ton of control over the conditions under which the Second World ended and the Third began.

Maybe he doesn't even care about the issue. I have no idea. I'm not drawing any conclusions, I'm just keeping on open mind on what's possible and hoping time will tell.