Why would Oda need to go out of his way to state that Roger, WB, and Xebec defeated Kaido? Oda’s not a powerscaling junkie. He had no narrative reason to go out of his way to shoehorn in some dialogue about how those 3 defeated him.
Lol it’s crazy how you meatride Kaido but don’t seem to understand his character at all lol. Kaido loves to fight, and he values strength above all else. He would never follow Xebec unless Xebec proved himself stronger than Kaido. And he would also want to fight Xebec just for the fun of it
I understand his character more then you, of course Xebec was stronger then Apprentice Kaido.
The point that you seem to be missing or just glossing over is that Kaido said that those 5 were people that could fight him. Xebec would destroy apprentice Kaido therefore he was comparing them to his prime self.
Lmao bruh I swear to god that you and @Fujishiro ard the type of guys who would ask for a manga statement that 2 + 2 = 4 in the OP verse. Try to rein in your contrarianism a little bit
Lmao bruh I swear to god that you and @Fujishiro ard the type of guys who would ask for a manga statement that 2 + 2 = 4 in the OP verse. Try to rein in your contrarianism a little bit
Lmao bruh I swear to god that you and @Fujishiro ard the type of guys who would ask for a manga statement that 2 + 2 = 4 in the OP verse. Try to rein in your contrarianism a little bit
Dude, we aren't the ones that said they beat him. You are. You started this.
You have the burden of proof.
You can't just say "They beat him, but the author didn't say anything about them beating him", that's ridiculous.
Shanks’s brief showcase of his power in 1079 was enough to send the Meme > Shanks take to Davy Jones Locker along with Mid, and it also put the Kaido > Shanks take on life support. I suspect that Shanks’s next showcase of power will be enough to make Kaido > Shanks look like a bad joke. I’d advise that you start bracing yourself for it
Dude, we aren't the ones that said they beat him. You are. You started this.
You have the burden of proof.
You can't just say "They beat him, but the author didn't say anything about them beating him", that's ridiculous.
Shanks’s brief showcase of his power in 1079 was enough to send the Meme > Shanks take to Davy Jones Locker along with Mid, and it also put the Kaido > Shanks take on life support. I suspect that Shanks’s next showcase of power will be enough to make Kaido > Shanks look like a bad joke. I’d advise that you start bracing yourself for it
Big mom was 2vs1ing them + needed island sized bombs to BFR her away from a flying city. They won by throwing her away.
Law is an amazing support, If he was present when Shanks attacked Kidd then he wouldve had a harder time finishing the two off.
Bear in mind she had the two of them laying on the ground at her mercy with both their crews crying for mercy and then they backstabbed her when she turned her back on them to go to the rooftop.
Say whatever you want about BM but shes strong, shes just kinda clumsy.
1vs1 against Kidd and its a mid diff at worst.
As for Kaido he does the same thing Shanks did to Kidd if hes serious from jump and bloodlusted and wanting to end it asap like Shanks was.
Big mom was 2vs1ing them + needed island sized bombs to BFR her away from a flying city. They won by throwing her away.
Law is an amazing support, If he was present when Shanks attacked Kidd then he wouldve had a harder time finishing the two off.
Bear in mind she had the two of them laying on the ground at her mercy with both their crews crying for mercy and then they backstabbed her when she turned her back on them to go to the rooftop.
Say whatever you want about BM but shes strong, shes just kinda clumsy.
1vs1 against Kidd and its a mid diff at worst.
As for Kaido he does the same thing Shanks did to Kidd if hes serious from jump and bloodlusted and wanting to end it asap like Shanks was.
BM had to land many attacks on them just to get them to lay on the floor for a few seconds. Shanks 0.5 shotted Kid with a move that's just his version of Thunder Bagua. Shanks in 1079 showed that his speed and AP are vastly superior to BM's. The only way that BM could possibly be > Shanks is if Shanks has Cracker level endurance. Which obviously isn't the case since he has some of the strongest willpower in the series, and willpower is directly tied to endurance. Not to mention that his CoA should be some of the best in the verse. BM > Shanks is just delusional.
Shanks’s brief showcase of his power in 1079 was enough to send the Meme > Shanks take to Davy Jones Locker along with Mid, and it also put the Kaido > Shanks take on life support. I suspect that Shanks’s next showcase of power will be enough to make Kaido > Shanks look like a bad joke. I’d advise that you start bracing yourself for it
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Lol, you’re just reinforcing my accusation that you need everything spoonfed to you
Because I literally explained to you why it's all but certain that those 3 did beat him in the past, but you refuse to believe it because Oda didn't write word-for-word that WB, Roger, and Xebec defeated Kaido 1v1. Aka you need to be spoonfed that they beat him
I think it is safe to say that Xebec did beat Kaido's ass at some point. Maybe Kaido challenged Whitebeard during their time on the Rocks Pirates ship. Maybe Roger defeated Kaido during God Valley or sometime before or after.
Zero chance Shanks defeated Kaido during Marineford or beforehand and later Kaido went "no one can beat me" though lmfao
BM had to land many attacks on them just to get them to lay on the floor for a few seconds. Shanks 0.5 shotted Kid with a move that's just his version of Thunder Bagua. Shanks in 1079 showed that his speed and AP are vastly superior to BM's. The only way that BM could possibly be > Shanks is if Shanks has Cracker level endurance. Which obviously isn't the case since he has some of the strongest willpower in the series, and willpower is directly tied to endurance. Not to mention that his CoA should be some of the best in the verse. BM > Shanks is just delusional.
Shanks was bloodlusted and wanted to end it asap. Big Mom was not taking them seriously most of the fight and the fight reflected that.
Top tiers behave differently in fights and have different personalities who wouldve known. Now Im not saying she has similar AP to him thats kind of his department imo being that hes a swordsman that only uses Haki his haki should be superior to that of his peers but she has other things to compensate for.
I do think he likely beats her in a fight but its going to be a tough fight neverthless.
I think it is safe to say that Xebec did beat Kaido's ass at some point. Maybe Kaido challenged Whitebeard during their time on the Rocks Pirates ship. Maybe Roger defeated Kaido during God Valley or sometime before or after.
Zero chance Shanks defeated Kaido during Marineford or beforehand and later Kaido went "no one can beat me" though lmfao
It is quite literally obvious that when Kaido says Primebeard,Roger and Xebec can fight him that he is comparing them to his prime current self and not his apprentice days if we take Xebec for example because Xebec would destroy apprentice Kaido it wouldnt be a fight like Kaido describes it but people cant read the manga unfortunately.
Because I literally explained to you why it's all but certain that those 3 did beat him in the past, but you refuse to believe it because Oda didn't write word-for-word that WB, Roger, and Xebec defeated Kaido 1v1. Aka you need to be spoonfed that they beat him
I think it is safe to say that Xebec did beat Kaido's ass at some point. Maybe Kaido challenged Whitebeard during their time on the Rocks Pirates ship. Maybe Roger defeated Kaido during God Valley or sometime before or after.
Zero chance Shanks defeated Kaido during Marineford or beforehand and later Kaido went "no one can beat me" though lmfao
If Kaido and Shanks had a full on fight during MF, they're close enough in strength that by the time one of them wins, MF would be over and neither of them would be able to achieve their goals. Kaido is smart enough to know this, so it wouldn't be very surprising if him and Shanks just flexed their CoC against each other to determine who gets to go to MF. If so, Shanks would obviously come out on top since he's Mr. CoC. Given how much Kaido values Haki, it's not unreasonable that he'd consider losing this CoC showoff to be a "defeat". This is just speculation obviously, but there had to be some sort of show of power between the two. Kaido wouldn't turn around and forget about fighting WB one last time just because Shanks told him to go home
Lol, my evidence is that it would be extremely out of character for Kaido to not ever challenge these 3 to a fight. Have you even been reading my posts?
If Kaido and Shanks had a full on fight during MF, they're close enough in strength that by the time one of them wins, MF would be over and neither of them would be able to achieve their goals. Kaido is smart enough to know this, so it wouldn't be very surprising if him and Shanks just flexed their CoC against each other to determine who gets to go to MF. If so, Shanks would obviously come out on top since he's Mr. CoC. Given how much Kaido values Haki, it's not unreasonable that he'd consider losing this CoC showoff to be a "defeat". This is just speculation obviously, but there had to be some sort of show of power between the two. Kaido wouldn't turn around and forget about fighting WB one last time just because Shanks told him to go home
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Lol, my evidence is that it would be extremely out of character for Kaido to not ever challenge these 3 to a fight. Have you even been reading my posts?
I dont think he was defeated at all they just clashed, fought a bit. Kaido was impressed and deduced that fighting this guy who is clearly strong would take a long while even if he won the war would be over so he packed up his things and left.
There was also the fact that he was alone with King which likely helped in that decision.
For the record I am open to Shanks maybe being stronger then Kaido if Oda wants to retcon it or whatever but right now I see them as about equal with Kaido edging it. I dont think its such an outrageous take to make.
If Kaido and Shanks had a full on fight during MF, they're close enough in strength that by the time one of them wins, MF would be over and neither of them would be able to achieve their goals. Kaido is smart enough to know this, so it wouldn't be very surprising if him and Shanks just flexed their CoC against each other to determine who gets to go to MF. If so, Shanks would obviously come out on top since he's Mr. CoC. Given how much Kaido values Haki, it's not unreasonable that he'd consider losing this CoC showoff to be a "defeat". This is just speculation obviously, but there had to be some sort of show of power between the two. Kaido wouldn't turn around and forget about fighting WB one last time just because Shanks told him to go home
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Lol, my evidence is that it would be extremely out of character for Kaido to not ever challenge these 3 to a fight. Have you even been reading my posts?
Because he literally had to reason to randomly mention that Roger, WB, or Xebec beat his ass? Kaido was saying that no one alive can beat him. None of those 3 are alive anymore, so that statement from Kaido is irrelevant here
Because he literally had to reason to randomly mention that Roger, WB, or Xebec beat his ass? Kaido was saying that no one alive can beat him. None of those 3 are alive anymore, so that statement from Kaido is irrelevant here
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