Powers & Abilities Why did King even bother turning off his flames when fighting Zoro?
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We were told clearly that King with his flames on can be harmed by Zoro once he attained ACoC in not one, not two but three situations.
- He initially acknowledges Zoro's new found power and the ability to hurt him and explicitly spells it out: "I can sense the threat you represent!"
- He then proceeds to dodge a CoC coated Rengoku Onigiri. This is a very drastic change in his fighting style considering that he barely dodged anything before Zoro attained CoC coating. Once again, proving that regardless of his flame durability, Zoro can now harm King badly.
- Zoro himself taunts King and asks him why is he blocking, parrying and dodging Zoro's attacks now.
- Furthermore when going for the final finisher, Zoro did not care whether King had his flames on or off. Because he knew that he has the AP required to cut King now.
At that point, King used his speed mode to try and land a few hits on Zoro to take him out - considering that Zoro's stamina is weakening since even with his flames, he would not be able to defend from Zoro's attacks. Once that failed, he immediately resorted to keeping a distance and attacking him with a long range Big Flaming Dragon. However, King does not know the fact that Zoro could cut fire - which led to the 103 Mercies Dragon Damnation finisher.
Just look at this in parallel with the Mr. 1 vs Zoro fight. Say, Mr.1 has a mode which reduces his durability but gives him speed and BoAT is Conquerors coating.
Once Zoro unlocks BoAT, Mr. 1 recognizes that and tries to harm Zoro with his speed mode. But that doesn't work and Zoro cuts through him regardless.
That's exactly what happened with King.
- He initially acknowledges Zoro's new found power and the ability to hurt him and explicitly spells it out: "I can sense the threat you represent!"
At that point, King used his speed mode to try and land a few hits on Zoro to take him out - considering that Zoro's stamina is weakening since even with his flames, he would not be able to defend from Zoro's attacks. Once that failed, he immediately resorted to keeping a distance and attacking him with a long range Big Flaming Dragon. However, King does not know the fact that Zoro could cut fire - which led to the 103 Mercies Dragon Damnation finisher.
Just look at this in parallel with the Mr. 1 vs Zoro fight. Say, Mr.1 has a mode which reduces his durability but gives him speed and BoAT is Conquerors coating.
Once Zoro unlocks BoAT, Mr. 1 recognizes that and tries to harm Zoro with his speed mode. But that doesn't work and Zoro cuts through him regardless.
That's exactly what happened with King.
The only thing I would add is, the manga doesn't say Zoro can defeat King's defense but it does implies there's a strong possibility.
It's not ACoC that can hurt King or defeat his defense. It's Zoro's AP and cutting power. Just like how Zoro has never met a character with a defense has strong King's defense, stronger defense than Kaido. King has never met a character with AP/cutting power on Zoro's level. It's the strongest sword versus the strongest shield scenario.
i believe shishi sonson too affected him in a way but there is no real way to gauge it..
but then again zoro used it after tatsumaki was deflected so i believe shishi sonson has superior potency since its meant to cut ...it did come out of nowhere for King it wasn't as predictable as tatsumaki.. it white eyed him surely..
Then again during tatsumaki he was referring to his DF hide than base fire defence which isn't like "uncuttable".. his fire seems like it nullifies wounds or attack efficiency at the cost of exhaustion? or it just swiftly seals the wound so even tho attacks like shishi sonson may damage King it doesn't let the wound hinder king's performance.. you may put it as doffy's string reattachment system but more efficient.. but the affects of the attack linger on.
but then again zoro used it after tatsumaki was deflected so i believe shishi sonson has superior potency since its meant to cut ...it did come out of nowhere for King it wasn't as predictable as tatsumaki.. it white eyed him surely..
Then again during tatsumaki he was referring to his DF hide than base fire defence which isn't like "uncuttable".. his fire seems like it nullifies wounds or attack efficiency at the cost of exhaustion? or it just swiftly seals the wound so even tho attacks like shishi sonson may damage King it doesn't let the wound hinder king's performance.. you may put it as doffy's string reattachment system but more efficient.. but the affects of the attack linger on.
I guess Oda could have been clearly about this because the only panel we had Zoro making King to block his attacks beside Tatsumaki was because King had flames off.
But you have good points. Of course King Flames On is not immortal he is tanking damage but at very low rate of what should be. My point is that he can't use this forever that's why he got defeated with flames off, his stamina to use flames ran out.
But you have good points. Of course King Flames On is not immortal he is tanking damage but at very low rate of what should be. My point is that he can't use this forever that's why he got defeated with flames off, his stamina to use flames ran out.
I share the same opinion and i actually believe the biggest threat to zoro in that fight was enma more than it was King himself.. zoro was under the assumption that King was invincible but given how king acted in the fight from blocking tatsumaki before zoro even unleashed enma has me thinking if he was really invincible..
i WAS of the opinion that he is invincible to Acoc attacks too from zoro coz zoro said so.. but there are instances like marco. making King bleed, King blocking tatsumaki for whatever reason.. etc.. that had be confused
what is mind boggling and very mysterious is that he didn't use his flames to mitigate the consequences of zoro's attack..
even tho thats mysterious it in a way proves that the crux of the battle wasn't for zoro to prove he can by pass king's defences and FINALLY CUT HIM ..(he was already capable of that if he used high caliber attacks) .. if that were the case then zoro wouldn't bother using the caveat of King's ability against him but rather finish King while his flame defences are on.
i WAS of the opinion that he is invincible to Acoc attacks too from zoro coz zoro said so.. but there are instances like marco. making King bleed, King blocking tatsumaki for whatever reason.. etc.. that had be confused
what is mind boggling and very mysterious is that he didn't use his flames to mitigate the consequences of zoro's attack..
even tho thats mysterious it in a way proves that the crux of the battle wasn't for zoro to prove he can by pass king's defences and FINALLY CUT HIM ..(he was already capable of that if he used high caliber attacks) .. if that were the case then zoro wouldn't bother using the caveat of King's ability against him but rather finish King while his flame defences are on.
We were told clearly that King with his flames on can be harmed by Zoro once he attained ACoC in not one, not two but three situations.
- He initially acknowledges Zoro's new found power and the ability to hurt him and explicitly spells it out: "I can sense the threat you represent!"
- He then proceeds to dodge a CoC coated Rengoku Onigiri. This is a very drastic change in his fighting style considering that he barely dodged anything before Zoro attained CoC coating. Once again, proving that regardless of his flame durability, Zoro can now harm King badly.
- Zoro himself taunts King and asks him why is he blocking, parrying and dodging Zoro's attacks now.
- Furthermore when going for the final finisher, Zoro did not care whether King had his flames on or off. Because he knew that he has the AP required to cut King now.
At that point, King used his speed mode to try and land a few hits on Zoro to take him out - considering that Zoro's stamina is weakening since even with his flames, he would not be able to defend from Zoro's attacks. Once that failed, he immediately resorted to keeping a distance and attacking him with a long range Big Flaming Dragon. However, King does not know the fact that Zoro could cut fire - which led to the 103 Mercies Dragon Damnation finisher.
Just look at this in parallel with the Mr. 1 vs Zoro fight. Say, Mr.1 has a mode which reduces his durability but gives him speed and BoAT is Conquerors coating.
Once Zoro unlocks BoAT, Mr. 1 recognizes that and tries to harm Zoro with his speed mode. But that doesn't work and Zoro cuts through him regardless.
That's exactly what happened with King.
- He initially acknowledges Zoro's new found power and the ability to hurt him and explicitly spells it out: "I can sense the threat you represent!"
At that point, King used his speed mode to try and land a few hits on Zoro to take him out - considering that Zoro's stamina is weakening since even with his flames, he would not be able to defend from Zoro's attacks. Once that failed, he immediately resorted to keeping a distance and attacking him with a long range Big Flaming Dragon. However, King does not know the fact that Zoro could cut fire - which led to the 103 Mercies Dragon Damnation finisher.
Just look at this in parallel with the Mr. 1 vs Zoro fight. Say, Mr.1 has a mode which reduces his durability but gives him speed and BoAT is Conquerors coating.
Once Zoro unlocks BoAT, Mr. 1 recognizes that and tries to harm Zoro with his speed mode. But that doesn't work and Zoro cuts through him regardless.
That's exactly what happened with King.
