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Because they used haki that wasn’t clad in black armament, hence it’s the same damn thing Luffy was practising. Why wouldn’t it be? All the admirals have it, and the WBP top three all could fight the top tiers at MF. When they attacked Akainu he commented on their haki, but it didn’t match up to his own. That was ryou
It makes perfect sense why it would be Ryou bc the WBP as youngsters fought Roger’s crew? What would the result have been if BMP as youngsters, 26 years ago, if they had challenged Roger? Had they matched them in combat do you think?
It makes perfect sense why it would be Ryou bc the WBP as youngsters fought Roger’s crew? What would the result have been if BMP as youngsters, 26 years ago, if they had challenged Roger? Had they matched them in combat do you think?
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Haki was actually not a concept at that moment. Most everyone in NW knows haki yet none of them was clad in black armament in MF. Advanced CoA is barrier haki (as shown by admirals blocked WB gura, Boa sisters, Sentomaru and Rayleigh blocked giant elephant). Unless Marco, Jozu and Vista have shown't that, none of them have advanced CoA.
Are you referring when Marco and Vista attacked Akainu? Akainu only said he was irritated by their attacks.
WB Pirates fought Roger Pirates don't mean they have advanced CoA. Buggy fought WB pirates but he didn't know haki.
Also having advanced CoA doesn't guarantee the user can beat Katakuri. It depends on the user too. Boa sisters have advanced CoA yet they lost to pre TS Luffy who didn't use haki.
Are you referring when Marco and Vista attacked Akainu? Akainu only said he was irritated by their attacks.
WB Pirates fought Roger Pirates don't mean they have advanced CoA. Buggy fought WB pirates but he didn't know haki.
Also having advanced CoA doesn't guarantee the user can beat Katakuri. It depends on the user too. Boa sisters have advanced CoA yet they lost to pre TS Luffy who didn't use haki.
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Oda came up with the distinctive colours of armament after MF took place, yes the whole concept of CoA wasn’t fully developed. The black armament didn’t exist then. However, as we clearly see the WB monster trio did do damage to logias. Akainu literally says that they’re haki users (Vista and Marco) but we didn’t see them use Black CoA. If anything Oda would have to go back and retroactively say they used Ryo for it all to make sense.
But I mean look, seriously, Sentomaru uses Ryou so it makes total sense for the freaking WBP top trio to use it. The roger pirates were at the top of the helm, yet Sentomaru uses barrier haki but not the WB monster trio who stalled the Roger Pirates for three days ?!! I mean it really is ridiculous to say they don’t have it
But I mean look, seriously, Sentomaru uses Ryou so it makes total sense for the freaking WBP top trio to use it. The roger pirates were at the top of the helm, yet Sentomaru uses barrier haki but not the WB monster trio who stalled the Roger Pirates for three days ?!! I mean it really is ridiculous to say they don’t have it
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They can damage logia because they can use armament haki. The purpose of armament haki is to damage logia user as stated by Rayleigh. We also didn't see black CoA on NW pirates. Haki is common in NW yet NW Pirates from WB side didn't show black CoA.
Sentomaru can use advanced CoA doesn't mean WB trio can also use advanced CoA. Doflamingo didn't show advanced CoA. Cracker also hasn't shown advanced CoA.
Just because they fought Roger Pirates doesn't mean they can use advanced CoA. If they can use advanced CoA, they would have used it in MF. By that logic everyone in WB Pirates can use advanced CoA.
Advanced CoA is barrier haki and inside penetration (when Rayleigh freed Camie and when Luffy removed explosive collar from Hyou). None of WB Pirates have shown barrier haki in MF so I don't think they have advanced CoA.
Sentomaru can use advanced CoA doesn't mean WB trio can also use advanced CoA. Doflamingo didn't show advanced CoA. Cracker also hasn't shown advanced CoA.
Just because they fought Roger Pirates doesn't mean they can use advanced CoA. If they can use advanced CoA, they would have used it in MF. By that logic everyone in WB Pirates can use advanced CoA.
Advanced CoA is barrier haki and inside penetration (when Rayleigh freed Camie and when Luffy removed explosive collar from Hyou). None of WB Pirates have shown barrier haki in MF so I don't think they have advanced CoA.
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That’s the only conclusion that can be reached judging by their fights at Marineford. Oda hadn’t fully conceived of the concept of armament haki at that point in time, so there was no distinction between black CoA and ryou. Yet, Luffy has now been learning ryou being, it being exemplified by Sentomaru and Rayleigh, but also the Hancook sisters. Rayleigh by default must’ve used ryou against Kizaru, so in the same token so must Marco have as well. This should equally well apply to Vista as well who did attack Akainu who then commented on how him and Marco used haki; Jozu fought and hurt an equally well portrayed admiral, Aokiji. From this follows that Marco, Jozu and all have barrier haki, ie ryou, as the black clad armament didn’t exist at the time and these were among the coolest dudes around being portrayed as being able to square off with the strongest people that the marines could muster at that time. In light of this portrayal it makes perfect sense to grant them the haki that was portrayed as the only available haki at that time, as their performance in Marineford truly warrants it; Sengoku feared the real possibility of the WBP emerging as victors of the war! And still the top three have regular haki, by some people’s estimation
If anything for it all to make sense Oda would literally have to go back and retroactively grant them Ryou for the whole battle to make sense. At the time the Hancook sisters used haki, and in MF we saw the WB monster trio being hyped up as being literally able to contend with admirals and top tiers like Mihawk. For the monster trio at this point to not have Barrier haki is absolutely ridiculous from a portrayal standpoint.
It also makes perfect sense to have them be Ryou users in light of the fact that 26 years ago the WBP were kids, in their late teens or early twenties (Vista is the oldest and I think he is 47 as of now) and these same young adults duked it out with Roger’s crew for three days non-stop! It makes no sense for people to not grant these top three of WBP ryou when they’re able to square off with the pirates that were at the top of the pirate helm when they were about at the same age as Sanji, Zoro and Luffy is now. I mean who here really thinks that the BMP 26 years ago could match the Roger Pirates? Really? No, bottom line is that they have ryou! That explains how they could at the very least match Roger Pirates and fight all of marine HQ and all of the 7 warlords and still have a decent chance of winning (can try to find the panel where Sengoku literally says they do). WBP have a serious track record that warrants them having Ryo!
If anything for it all to make sense Oda would literally have to go back and retroactively grant them Ryou for the whole battle to make sense. At the time the Hancook sisters used haki, and in MF we saw the WB monster trio being hyped up as being literally able to contend with admirals and top tiers like Mihawk. For the monster trio at this point to not have Barrier haki is absolutely ridiculous from a portrayal standpoint.
It also makes perfect sense to have them be Ryou users in light of the fact that 26 years ago the WBP were kids, in their late teens or early twenties (Vista is the oldest and I think he is 47 as of now) and these same young adults duked it out with Roger’s crew for three days non-stop! It makes no sense for people to not grant these top three of WBP ryou when they’re able to square off with the pirates that were at the top of the pirate helm when they were about at the same age as Sanji, Zoro and Luffy is now. I mean who here really thinks that the BMP 26 years ago could match the Roger Pirates? Really? No, bottom line is that they have ryou! That explains how they could at the very least match Roger Pirates and fight all of marine HQ and all of the 7 warlords and still have a decent chance of winning (can try to find the panel where Sengoku literally says they do). WBP have a serious track record that warrants them having Ryo!
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Ryou haki was the only haki expounded upon at the time. It was only after that he developed black armament to make it more of a clear distinction in power level. But WBP trio being the guys that contended with the admirals would’ve been strong ass haki users or else thy en going up against MF would’ve been a total wash. But no, Sengoku seems it a real possibility that WBP could come out the victors at the end. He literally said they could. For them to have basic armament is total hogwash. It makes no sense for them to have basic armament and then contend with admirals who all are ryou users, and to fight the Roger pirates as youngsters.
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Not all admirals was serious. Jozu sneak attack Aokiji and Aokiji bleed yet when Aokiji sneak attack Jozu, Jozu lost an arm.
Jozu is fast according to VC so that was why he could compete with Aokiji but from lethality Aokiji is way above Jozu.
Fujitora competed with Luffy who didn't have FS, advanced CoA and G4 yet the same Luffy with G4 got washed by Cracker and Katakuri but that doesn't mean Cracker/Katakuri>Fujitora. Fujitora held back against Luffy imo.
Advanced CoA is barrier haki and inside penetration as I stated. None of WB Pirates have shown barrier haki and hence I don't think WB top trio have advanced CoA.
Oda would have showed it like how he showed Boa sisters, Sentomaru, admirals and Rayleigh who used dvanced CoA but the fact that Oda didn't show WB top trio use barrier haki like Boa sisters, Sentomaru, admirals and Rayleigh, I don't think WB top trio has advanced CoA.
Jozu is fast according to VC so that was why he could compete with Aokiji but from lethality Aokiji is way above Jozu.
Fujitora competed with Luffy who didn't have FS, advanced CoA and G4 yet the same Luffy with G4 got washed by Cracker and Katakuri but that doesn't mean Cracker/Katakuri>Fujitora. Fujitora held back against Luffy imo.
Advanced CoA is barrier haki and inside penetration as I stated. None of WB Pirates have shown barrier haki and hence I don't think WB top trio have advanced CoA.
Oda would have showed it like how he showed Boa sisters, Sentomaru, admirals and Rayleigh who used dvanced CoA but the fact that Oda didn't show WB top trio use barrier haki like Boa sisters, Sentomaru, admirals and Rayleigh, I don't think WB top trio has advanced CoA.
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from the context it was pretty obvious Fuji wasn’t serious against Luffy, so it’s not a real fight.
Did Oda explicitly show Rayleigh use penetrative haki against Kizaru? In the same vein, it is heavily being implied that the M3 for being able in the first place to contend with the strongest people to have ever shown Barrier haki, the admirals, they also have to have it to even stand any chance of coming out victorious (a possibility Sengoku explicitly hinted at). I mean please, you tell me how Oda would’ve displayed them having barrier Coa and Ryou in a fight. How could Oda be explicit about it?
Did Oda explicitly show Rayleigh use penetrative haki against Kizaru? In the same vein, it is heavily being implied that the M3 for being able in the first place to contend with the strongest people to have ever shown Barrier haki, the admirals, they also have to have it to even stand any chance of coming out victorious (a possibility Sengoku explicitly hinted at). I mean please, you tell me how Oda would’ve displayed them having barrier Coa and Ryou in a fight. How could Oda be explicit about it?
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It is also clear that Aokiji wan't serious against Jozu though. All Aokiji need was to freeze Jozu and Jozu lost an arm. High tier can compete against top tier for few hours but that doesn't mean they can last long against top tier. Top tier will in the end defeat high tier.
Oda later explained it through narrative that Rayleigh used penetration haki yet Oda hasn't explained through narrative or flashback that WB top trio use advanced CoA.
Oda later explained it through narrative that Rayleigh used penetration haki yet Oda hasn't explained through narrative or flashback that WB top trio use advanced CoA.
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Jozu losing an arm, look, all admirals have awakening. Aokiji being able to freeze a huge area instantaneously like that would require it to be colder than 0 kelvins! Aokiji and alll admrirals are haxed. If the same attack was done to Kata he would be frozen just the same and suffer the same fate (Jozu is diamond so a hard material that becomes brittle, but frostbite is a real thing though , even for the “invincible” kata)
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those were examples that Luffy observed with his own eyes, Rayleigh, sentomaru and the sisters did it onto him or displayed it in a pedagogical for us, readers, to comprehend it with that very obvious shockwave glow that Rayleigh displayed. When Luffy hit that tree, that was Ryou yet there was not the same shockwave glow that we saw Rayleigh using against the elephant, but in the same token we didn’t see the same shockwave glow against Kizaru either, did we? Yet it is taken for granted that he used Ryou to counter Kizaru. In the very same token, so would’ve the monster trio use it to counter the strongest ryou users probably in the verse. Same way that Mihawk is logically able to use it.
if Aokij wasn’t serious and could just say more easily dispose of Jozu then he would have done it much earlier. To some extent Kizaru holds back bc that is part of his “lazy justice” personality. This is not freaking Dressrosa where Fuji can play it cool, this is a war that could upend the balance of the world! It was hyped around the world, Sengoku feared they could lose it! Of course the admirals were serious. It’s ridiculous to assume Aokiji wasn’t serious
if Aokij wasn’t serious and could just say more easily dispose of Jozu then he would have done it much earlier. To some extent Kizaru holds back bc that is part of his “lazy justice” personality. This is not freaking Dressrosa where Fuji can play it cool, this is a war that could upend the balance of the world! It was hyped around the world, Sengoku feared they could lose it! Of course the admirals were serious. It’s ridiculous to assume Aokiji wasn’t serious
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I think @Admiral Lee Hung is quite right, that when you see Marco clashing with Akainu that the magma actually is deflected and shot outward, indicating that he is actually using barrier haki.
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