Questions & Mysteries Why do people believe Sanji will fight a Yonko commander this arc?

[Human D Luffy]

Zoro is definitely stronger (and always has been imo) but there is no way Sanji is leaving wano without defeating either Queen, King, or Jack

By the same logic, would you have believed me if i had told you prior to the so-called sanji WCI arc, the best feats from Sanji would just be baking a cake for BM and clashing with oven and daifuku?

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One interesting fact i do want to point out is in Stampede (even though it is technically non-cannon), Sanji was matched and fought against smoker 1 v 1 and Zoro fought against Fuji 1 v 1. Literally one fights a mid-tier vice admiral and one fights an admiral.....

This goes to show you how much the power gap exists between the former rival, because i won't consider them rival anymore due to the huge power gap.

I also agree with the others mentioning jinbei and Yamato being stronger than Sanji. I am actually pretty excited to see how strong Yamato can be.

 

[Mr. Tuna Sandwich]

Can we stop talk on the simp cook? Thanks.

 

[Davidsuxx]

By the same logic, would you have believed me if i had told you prior to the so-called sanji WCI arc, the best feats from Sanji would just be baking a cake for BM and clashing with oven and daifuku?

Maybe not at the beginning of the arc but I think it became obvious even before the tea party that big mom and her crew weren’t going to be completely defeated in that arc, whereas the opposite is true in Wano for Kaido and his crew at this point. Sanji has already clashed with King and has a narrative tie to Queen, and the tobi roppo already have match ups, so I think it’s pretty clear sanji will be fighting a calamity

 

[Human D Luffy]

Maybe not at the beginning of the arc but I think it became obvious even before the tea party that big mom and her crew weren’t going to be completely defeated in that arc, whereas the opposite is true in Wano for Kaido and his crew at this point. Sanji has already clashed with King and has a narrative tie to Queen, and the tobi roppo already have match ups, so I think it’s pretty clear sanji will be fighting a calamity

don't get me wrong. i would prefer if he fights queen/jack.
it's just that oda's strength protrayal of sanji has been very disappointing for a long time

 

[Davidsuxx]

don't get me wrong. i would prefer if he fights queen/jack.
it's just that oda's strength protrayal of sanji has been very disappointing for a long time

i agree and I think it’s the same for all the straw hats besides luffy and Zoro. They’re supposed to be becoming the #1 pirate crew but oda usually refuses to actually give them feats worthy of that

 

[Human D Luffy]

i agree and I think it’s the same for all the straw hats besides luffy and Zoro. They’re supposed to be becoming the #1 pirate crew but oda usually refuses to actually give them feats worthy of that

Someone bought it up earlier on the thread. But basically it is the notion that we have jimbei, yamato and law (alliance) that are all YC level that are joining the crew, thus reducing the need of making everyone of them YC level.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

don't get me wrong. i would prefer if he fights queen/jack.
it's just that oda's strength protrayal of sanji has been very disappointing for a long time

I think people need to realize Sanjis strength is only portrayed during combat arcs. In Skypeia he wasn’t a fighter, same with Water 7 heck a lot of time on the train was spent figuring out how to avoid fighting.

However no matter what when the combat time comes Oda scales Sanji up to compete with Zoro and Luffy

 

[Davidsuxx]

Someone bought it up earlier on the thread. But basically it is the notion that we have jimbei, yamato and law (alliance) that are all YC level that are joining the crew, thus reducing the need of making everyone of them YC level.

I’m still hesitant about Yamato and especially law because I really don’t think Oda will take away Sanji’s shine by adding two more characters that are stronger than him but I guess we’ll see
I’m still of the opinion that Luffy’s “commanders” will be Zoro/Sanji/Jinbei

 

[Rekien]

desperation

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I think people need to realize Sanjis strength is only portrayed during combat arcs. In Skypeia he wasn’t a fighter, same with Water 7 heck a lot of time on the train was spent figuring out how to avoid fighting.

However no matter what when the combat time comes Oda scales Sanji up to compete with Zoro and Luffy

Skypea was a combat arc, WCI also was a combat arc.


Just because Sanji didnt fight in it dosent mean it was not a combat arc, there was plenty of fights going around in both arcs.

 

[Hiragaro]

 

[Sir Yasheen]

desperation

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Skypea was a combat arc, WCI also was a combat arc.


Just because Sanji didnt fight in it dosent mean it was not a combat arc, there was plenty of fights going around in both arcs.

WCI was not an arc designed around taking down an enemy group. It was about rescuing.

Skypeia was literally just about adventure. The straw hats didn’t go here with the plan to take down an enemy group.

You know like, Arlong Park/Alabasta/Enies Lobby/Dressrosa (in which Sanji wasn’t present)

 

[Rekien]

WCI was not an arc designed around taking down an enemy group. It was about rescuing.

Skypeia was literally just about adventure. The straw hats didn’t go here with the plan to take down an enemy group.

You know like, Arlong Park/Alabasta/Enies Lobby/Dressrosa (in which Sanji wasn’t present)

Sanji was definely there in Aarlong Park, Alabasta and Ennies Lobby LMAO.

Ennies Lobby was also about rescuing Robin, not taking down the government. Still plenty of fighting happened.

A battle royale involving 3 factions, and taking down a dude who thinks he is god was the premisse of Skypea that is definely a battle arc.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Sanji was definely there in Aarlong Park, Alabasta and Ennies Lobby LMAO.

Ennies Lobby was also about rescuing Robin, not taking down the government. Still plenty of fighting happened.

A battle royale involving 3 factions, and taking down a dude who thinks he is god was the premisse of Skypea that is definely a battle arc.

I only said Sanji wasn’t a part of Dressrosa you should read better.

Enies Lobby was literally Luffy declaring war on the world government a major part of that was taking down CP9.

The straw hats weren’t there to fight in skypeia. They were there to explore and find gold. Saying that was a combat arc is like saying punk hazard was.

 

[Screws Loose242]

Smh slot of sanji haters coming in and saying shit lying to themselves just to put my boy down U guys are full off it no lie

 

[Doggo]

 

[Charlotte Horchata]

You, power level junkies, are by far the worst side of this fandom; pure fundamentalists of a system you made up yourselves.

Just like confused chickens running in circles over concepts that aren't even proved to be a thing in the reality of this story, and then wasting who knows how many time discussing literal nothingness. I mean, what is even a "YC4"? What defines a "YC2"? There's a reliable rule that equals hierarchy and strength when it comes to comparing the commanders between crews? Probably not, hence why, when this obviously flawed, limited concept falls apart, people need to come up with nuances such as "YC1.5", "YC0" or said "YC4", which wasn't even a level before Snack was first mentioned. Because Marco, Katakuri, King, Queen, Beckman, etc. aren't "YCx", they are characters moving in a fluctuating spectrum of strength that, on top of that, changes on the basis of Oda's narrative wishes.

Is there any actual way for you fundamentalists to conciliate your simplistic, completely alien-to-One Piece understanding of "power scales" with facts like Usopp being able to defeat Arlong's top three subordinate a couple of days after leaving his humble village? Or Sanji going from having trouble against Blueno to defeating Jabra after being defeated himself and, yet, coming out of the fight fresh enough to face the Navy? Or off-screen battles running for way longer than on-screen for obvious narrative purposes? Or Luffy winning against Katakuri purely because he's a glutton with a rubber body and was therefore able to release himself from Mirror Mochi by eating it? Or... well, should I go on? "B-but Sanji is too weak, he's a YC4, he can't face a YC whatever!". What a laughable, narrow-minded, dishonest approach to how this story's "power levels" have worked since day one.

The greatest irony with you junkies is that the part of this manga you enjoy the most is the part you understand the least.

 

[Screws Loose242]

Oda seems to be building up a connection between Queen and him. With Queen outright stating that Sanji and Zoro should be his top priority ("it's best to take out their second and third strongest fighters). That plus the fact that Sanji's first significant clash at Onigashima was against King.

Sanji already clashed with half of the Flhing Six and now those opponents are taken or have joined the alliance. Maybe it seems optimistic but I think Sanji will take face a Calamity in a drawn-out fight. People who say Sanji will face a Calamity aren't really focused on power-levels. Water 7 Sanji could barely budge Blueno's tekkai then went on against the 3rd strongest of CP-9 who specialises in it. Of course this isn't pre-timeskip One Piece but the concept of power-levels not mattering that much is still around.

Oda had Sanji clash against Page One then he left that opponent to Usopp. He's entrusting Usopp to watch over Nami in his place despite Usopp not beating any opponent near Page One in strength before and Oda also had Sanji clash with King despite Sanji rarely facing anyone that strong yet he had Sanji's suit's features emphasised in that clash as well as in the Page One clash. The suit boosted his durability greatly and gave him invisibility. We'll all see soon enough who Sanji faces.

Maybe Daifuku will show up in Onigashima and Sanji will focus on him rather than opponents Oda already has in the area. Maybe Oda will have Sanji take Page One off Usopp's hands after Sanji put his faith in Usopp. Personally, I think Sanji's facing a Calamity and maybe I'll be disappointed but I don't think so.

In water 7 and ennies lobby the same can be said about luffy and zoro df all off them came out off nowhere with new shits and power creep I would cancel the rest off ur BS out but I just have time to correct a headcanon only see wat they wont ppl,

 

[chacharealsmooth]

Sanji was already well beyond daifuku in WCI with the raid suit he can probably high diff a calamity without a power up. Mid diff with one.

Sanji was way below Daifuku and Oven back in WCI. Oven survived Sparking Valkyrie, an attack that is much much much stronger than anything Sanji has shown so far, and was boiling the sea along with the fishmen in it with island range 5 minutes later. Daifuku was basically toying with Sanji during entire clash. He could have put Sanji to bottom of the ocean any time he wanted when they were clashing on the ship.

 

[Screws Loose242]

Sanji was way below Daifuku and Oven back in WCI. Oven survived Sparking Valkyrie, an attack that is much much much stronger than anything Sanji has shown so far, and was boiling the sea along with the fishmen in it with island range 5 minutes later. Daifuku was basically toying with Sanji during entire clash. He could have put Sanji to bottom of the ocean any time he wanted when they were clashing on the ship.

Didnt sanji made daifuku and oven look like childs play or did I miss something , even his siblings did the same do them and sanji is far above them u sanji haters ant gonna stop, sanji causally stops a way bigger more powerful genie blade. Without use Harding, and wci sanji did his thing and he has shown he's more powerful than those guys easy ,

 

[pg13]

Title speaks for itself. Sanji is YC4 of the crew and will at most be as strong as a YC2 at the end of the series (Due to being a member of PK's crew).
He is bound to fight against Daifuku and reach to level of a YC4 at the end of Wano. Oda did not bring Daifuku for no reason, he slapped Pudding in front of Sanji and manhandled him during the wedding. It is a revenge match-up.
He has no business with YCs right now, he is not remotely close to them in terms of power level. Why do people keep pushing it?

Nami and Usopp lost to Gallet and Trebol, - their Fighting Tobi roppo in wano
Robin and Usopp got finessed by Trebol and Sugar, Robin hasn't had any type of fight in 18 years - Fighting Tobi roppo in wano
Franky passes out after going blow for blow against one of the weakest members in Doffys crew- Fighting a Tobi Roppo in Wano
Brook and Chopper Low diff by Perospero together, Chopper lost to trees- Fighting a Tobi Roppo in wano.

None of these characters were remotely close to people to them in terms of power level.... so the argument of not being close prior really doesn't matter lol. What happened in prior arcs in terms of combat has not mattered in this arc. Why are you pushing it?