Powers & Abilities Why do people ignore power counters/matchups?

[BOCCHI]

Yes. Because of his Haki, not his physical strength. Which is why I literally made a thread predicting his next power up is "advanced CoA".

You take Big Mom and Kaido out of the equation, and Boundman is busting up everyone else. A Gear 3 already bruised an Admiral.

Imagine Fuji taking Boundman hits to the face. Aokiji was bleeding from Jozu's hits, and Boundman >>> Jozu.

If his physical strength was high enough it would have caused them actual damage no advanced haki needed... having advanced haki means Luffy had had to get stronger to compete and put up a better fight.

admirals unlike yonko lack the physical strength, but obviously make up for with endurance, possibly FS and DF abilities.

just cause you can put some good hits on someone doesn’t mean you’re on the same lvl.

an admiral like Akainu was taking WB’s DF hits to the body still comes back up over and over you think they cannot do the same with G4? You are overestimating G4. Tho doesn’t matter Luffy is growing by the minute since WCI arc now.

I doubt you expect Luffy’s one shot against Kaido early in the arc... soon it would happen again tho Luffy is gonna preform much better now still lose without much effort.

 

[Jo_Ndule]

How is it too weak when it literally one shot the guy? The problem with Cracker wasn't destroying the soldiers. It was that he could make AN INFINITE amount.

That was his whole point. "I can clap an infinite amount of soldiers into existence".

Luffy's brute strength, his #1 offensive weapon, became essentially useless.

If it was useless then it means it was weak
If your skills are rendered useless by opponent skills and you cant win

It means you arent stronger overall than your opponent.

Simple as that.

Once again boundman was exposed , luffy was too weak haki and combat wise to beat SCs with g4 alone.

That's why he needed rain + food + blow cracker through his own biscuits
Needed speed and FS to match kata.

 

[sanjikun]

If his physical strength was high enough it would have caused them actual damage no advanced haki needed....

Yes, but no one in OP has enough physical strength to harm Kaido and Big Mom without Top Tier Haki.

 

[HA001]

That is not true, and there is 0 proof of that. He never used KKG since Dressrosa.



Yeah, that's why he got 1 shot. Cause when you're far stronger than someone, you get bodied in 1 hit, and hide like a bitch for the entire fight.

Weve been through this before. Luffy isnt dumb when it comes to fighting. There was no guarantee kkg would land. Then hed be a sitting duck. Iirc Nami even says WE won. She played a vital role.

Does a top tier need 11 hours plus and support to beat cracker ?

 

[sanjikun]

If it was useless then it means it was weak
If your skills are rendered useless by opponent skills and you cant win

It means you arent stronger overall than your opponent.

Simple as that.

Once again boundman was exposed , luffy was too weak haki and combat wise to beat SCs with g4 alone.

That's why he needed rain + food + blow cracker through his own biscuits
Needed speed and FS to match kata.

Lmao, how many times do I need to explain this to you.

Boundman = Better Against Doffy
Law = Better against Cracker

It doesn't mean Law > Boundman.

Anytime Oda has to use Tankman or Snakeman, it means there is a matchup problem. That's not Luffy's preferred method of fighting.

 

[Jo_Ndule]

That is not true, and there is 0 proof of that. He never used KKG since Dressrosa.



Yeah, that's why he got 1 shot. Cause when you're far stronger than someone, you get bodied in 1 hit, and hide like a bitch for the entire fight.

He also didnt use KKG against Kaido.
Doesmt mean he wins or damages him

Also difnt use it against Kata

Oda already showed boundman was useless vs Cracker coz it isn't strong and fast enough to finish him
Useless vs Kata cause it is weaker overall and slow
Useless vs Kaido cause it cant damage him

KKG wont change a thing

 

[HA001]

Yes, but no one in OP has enough physical strength to harm Kaido and Big Mom without Top Tier Haki.

Not true. Oden cut kaido open with just his hardening.

 

[sanjikun]

There was no guarantee kkg would land.

There's 100% guarantee. Cracker can't fly and KKG comes from the top down.

The problem with KKG is that entire section of the island would have been destroyed, and would have turned into all out war.

He also didnt use KKG against Kaido.

Kaido didn't give him a chance lmfao. He was going to use that eventually. He wasn't done.

Look at the training with Hyo. He was practicing the "New King Kong Gun" with Hyogoro.

 

[HA001]

There's 100% guarantee. Cracker can't fly and KKG comes from the top down.

The problem with KKG is that entire section of the island would have been destroyed, and would have turned into all out war.

All out war with who ? If a kkg would have worked he would have used it.

 

[sanjikun]

All out war with who ? If a kkg would have worked he would have used it.

With Big Mom. That was supposed to be an infiltration. This is not an infiltration

Half of Whole Cake Island would have been turned into dust.

 

[HA001]

With Big Mom. That was supposed to be an infiltration. This is not an infiltration

Half of Whole Cake Island would have been turned into dust.

Infiltration was already out the window. She sent cracker to luffy the guy who beat doffy. Why would she send in your mind someome weaker ?

 

[Jo_Ndule]

Lmao, how many times do I need to explain this to you.

Boundman = Better Against Doffy
Law = Better against Cracker

It doesn't mean Law > Boundman.

Anytime Oda has to use Tankman or Snakeman, it means there is a matchup problem. That's not Luffy's preferred method of fighting.

Did Kata school boundman or not? You never expected it
Did Cracker intensively fight boundman or not?

Law isnt better vs Cracker. Let Law prove his worth first.

"Matchup issues" yes genius too weak
He needs another form + PU

With Cracker it was Rain as PU
With Kata it was FS
With kaido it is AdCoA

It isn't g4 alone! This is what you are missing! Luffy needs PUs on top of G4 to beat/match/damage people way skilled and stronger than Doffy

 

[Fujishiro]

If his physical strength was high enough it would have caused them actual damage no advanced haki needed... having advanced haki means Luffy had had to get stronger to compete and put up a better fight.

admirals unlike yonko lack the physical strength, but obviously make up for with endurance, possibly FS and DF abilities.

just cause you can put some good hits on someone doesn’t mean you’re on the same lvl.

an admiral like Akainu was taking WB’s DF hits to the body still comes back up over and over you think they cannot do the same with G4? You are overestimating G4. Tho doesn’t matter Luffy is growing by the minute since WCI arc now.

I doubt you expect Luffy’s one shot against Kaido early in the arc... soon it would happen again tho Luffy is gonna preform much better now still lose without much effort.

I wonder what hes gonna say if luffy now pushes kaido to mid diff before he gets serious and fucks him up again. Advanced coa allows you to bypass durability, but it doesnt seem to be a big boost in ap. Against targets you could already hit, i feel like it wouldnt do much of a difference since youre already damaging them. And if fucking doffy and kat were taking hits then you sure as hell kaido would shrug them off easier.

 

[sanjikun]

Did Kata school boundman or not? You never expected it
Did Cracker intensively fight boundman or not?

Law isnt better vs Cracker. Let Law prove his worth first.

"Matchup issues" yes genius too weak
He needs another form + PU

With Cracker it was Rain as PU
With Kata it was FS
With kaido it is AdCoA

It isn't g4 alone! This is what you are missing! Luffy needs PUs on top of G4 to beat/match/damage people way skilled and stronger than Doffy

I specifically recall Luffy saying "Your Haki can't stand up to Gear 4".

Again, Oda reserved

Tankman -> Cracker
Snakeman -> Katakuri

That means Boundman was out of the window. Nothing to do with "strength", but matchup.

Luffy's best matchups have also been Zooans. Look at EL and Wano. Everything else there is all sorts of fuckeries Luffy has to do to win.

 

[Jo_Ndule]

With Big Mom. That was supposed to be an infiltration. This is not an infiltration

Half of Whole Cake Island would have been turned into dust.

Whole cake island in dust
You realise Tottoland has 36 islands right?
Plus the main island is bigger than DR or equal

KkG didnt even destroy the whole DR, just the Town.

Also KKG wont land since it is slow and cracke can simply dodge it or make clones to reduce the output

Luffy ain't dumb combat wise, he knew KKG wont work

 

[sanjikun]

Whole cake island in dust
You realise Tottoland has 36 islands right?

Yes, that's why I said Whole Cake Island...

Luffy ain't dumb combat wise, he knew KKG wont work

I love that you think this won't work against Cracker

 

[BOCCHI]

Yes, but no one in OP has enough physical strength to harm Kaido and Big Mom without Top Tier Haki.

We don’t know if that’s true, but even if it’s that simply mean they are that strong... and you have DFs that more than likely could harm them... not only top tier haki... you have the admirals, BB with the gura gura fruit, you think they need top tier CoA to do damage? Ofc no.

 

[sanjikun]

We don’t know if that’s true, but even if it’s that simply mean they are that strong... and you have DFs that more than likely could harm them... not only top tier haki... you have the admirals, BB with the gura gura fruit, you think they need top tier CoA to do damage? Ofc no.

It's 100% true. No one without Top Tier CoA (hardening or penetration) can heavily damage Kaido or Big Mom.

you have the admirals, BB with the gura gura fruit, you think they need top tier CoA to do damage? Ofc no.

You realize Oden was the only one EVER to scar Kaido right? Not Whitebeard or Roger did it. Not to say scarring = damage, but those guys had Top Tier CoA to boost.

 

[sanjikun]

Imagine thinking Cracker can tank this, if Luffy comes from the top down.

I blame Oda tbh. Ever since Marineford he hypes Commanders more than he should, when they always end up getting one shot or fodderized without a proper battle. How many Commanders have been one shot to date?

 

[Jo_Ndule]

I specifically recall Luffy saying "Your Haki can't stand up to Gear 4".

Again, Oda reserved

Tankman -> Cracker
Snakeman -> Katakuri

That means Boundman was out of the window. Nothing to do with "strength", but matchup.

Luffy's best matchups have also been Zooans. Look at EL and Wano. Everything else there is all sorts of fuckeries Luffy has to do to win.

Lol Luffy saying that when Kata lost FS
And guess what? Kata relied back
Boundman got schooled
Luffy ran away like chicken.

Show me where did Boundman beat Kata? Dominated Nerfed Kata...and got crushed right back.
Snakeman without FS , it is not working

Luffy talked big, he later realized it, 'crap he is back to his strong self"
Then started begging Kata to "fall " already.

G4 vs Kata = No Victory , no stalemate
G4 vs cracker = stalemate or no victory
G4 vs Kaido = no Damage, oneshotted

G4 + FS = stalemate base Kata
G4 + AdCOa + FS = Damage and push Kaido to mid diff

G4 without PUs, can only trash weaklings like Doffy and win. No admiral, no SC, no Yonko loses/gets dominated by g4 pre advanced haki as Doffy did.