Powers & Abilities Why do people ignore power counters/matchups?

[Fujishiro]

The dude is obsessed with this fight, not sure why.

Because it shattered his conception that g4 was top tier ap, after kaido lol diffed him he switched to saying that g4 ap is pirate king level and kaido has pirate king level durability. You should see the shit he was posting on orojackson, it was hilarious. Now he thinks that advcoa gives him enough of an advantage to solo kaido. Disregarding the fact that kaido surpasses him in other stats too like AP and speed.

And that rayleigh has that coa too, meaning the probability of other top tiers having it isnt that far fetched, and yet kaido is out here ruling for decades and doing suicidal stupid shit.

 

[Fujishiro]

Spoiler: Not to derail this thread, but

There actually is plot circumstance that can be used to discredit using Aokiji as a metric to up play Doffy. We have legitimate reason to assume Aokiji intended to finish off Jozu but none to assume he wanted to finish Doffy.

Aokiji still seems to possess at least an understanding and empathy for how his actions effect the Government. It’s highly unlikely that he would’ve taken an opportunity to finish a Warlord off the way he did to Jozu. He should know how much trouble that would cause for the a Government and likely restrained himself just to avoid that possibility. He didn’t even want the WG to know that he showed up to Punk Hazard, after all.

Against Jozu though? Literally zero reason to assume he was showing any mercy.

This is basic reading comprehension my friend, it was obvious he did the bare minimup to stop doffy from moving. Yet some people have a hard time grasping nuances i guess haha

 

[beardweird]

The dude is obsessed with this fight, not sure why.

Because it shattered his conception that g4 was top tier ap.

Seems like everyone here is obsessed with this fight, it even spawns "alternate facts" like Luffy never broke through Cracker's armor...

 

[sanjikun]

Because it shattered his conception that g4 was top tier ap

How did it shatter that conception exactly? Luffy struggled to connect hits in WCI. When he connected, he one shot Cracker, and was about to take down Katakuri in 4 moves.

Go and re-read the Kaido fight. Gear 4 send Kaido flying and crashing through buildings

Your precious Fujitora was bruised by a measly Gear 3 which is like 10x weaker than KG.

You should see the shit he was posting on orojackson

You realize on Oro Jackson I literally predicted Luffy's next powerup would be advanced CoA, 10 chapters before it happened?

That was one of my biggest threads there. And I did it because I said Luffy's physical strength is already at the peak of the One Piece world. His problem with Kaido is hardening.

Against Jozu though? Literally zero reason to assume he was showing any mercy.

You realize he literally walked away when he could have killed Jozu right?

 

[Jo_Ndule]

The whole thread is just salty and jealousy that Cracker didn't need Help , flight and awakening to Stalemate intensively G4 boundman and fight 11 hrs under disadvantage.

Doffy :

• had help from Trebol & Bellamy ( Fought 3 v 2 in the beginning)
• user bellamy to weaken Luffy
• has awakening and his strings are lethal
• can fly
• gladiators stalled 10 min for Luffy

sanjikun " Doffy was under disadvantage, unfair for Doffy... look at Luffy having Law, luffy power is too much "

Cracker:

• no help
• weakens and damages Luffy by himself
• no awakening, just his clones and swordskills
• Luffy ate during those 11 hrs thus refreshing his stamina and strength
• Nami's Rain weakening his clones
• luffy had flight, mobility advantage even.

Sanjikun " cracker only did it coz his biscuits.. It was unfair for Luffy, Cracker had df advantage... "

When the manga has Cracker complaining about disadvantage and luffy being proud of being pirate & having advantage, playing dirty & tricky..

In Kaido words " too weak", doffy was just too unskilled and too weak.
When you have awakening + flight + Help and you cant even win/stalemate one round .. you simply suck! There's no excuse why Doffy didnt intensively stalemate g4 if he was superior than Luffy pre FS & Cracker.

Luffy had 3 advantages over Cracker:
Mobility (flight)
Replenishing Stamina & strength (eating biscuits)
Battle (clones weakened by Rain)

Boundman is only better than other G4 forms in AP. boundman is just the most balanced form.
It's like saying Kizaru is way weaker than Akainu coz Akainu has better AP as he relies on brute and Kizaru relies on speed.

You can counter/beat g4 with better Power as Kaido/BM or better Skills as Cracker/Kata.
You dont need to always match someone AP to win or be stronger. There are many different options and AP isnt the only stat that matters.

Time to wake up!

 

[sanjikun]

In Kaido words " too weak", doffy was just too unskilled and too weak.

You love posting this quote, without posting the entire dialogue. "You got worked over by a bunch of kids?"

Cracker would literally get KOed by this move

Think about that for a second. If Cracker was there, the battle would instantly end in 5 seconds. No Gear 4, no Gamma Knife, no Colosseum fighters. Instant KO.

Fact of the matter is Law beats Cracker 1 v. 1. He doesn't even need Luffy. Which is the entire point of this thread.

 

[BOCCHI]

Go and re-read the Kaido fight. Gear 4 send Kaido flying and crashing through buildings

Your precious Fujitora was bruised by a measly Gear 3 which is like 10x weaker than KG

Mate, you are making a big deal out of sending Kaido flying and making BM’s arm rattle when in fact neither matter cause there was no real damage done... which is the most important thing.

 

[sanjikun]

Mate, you are making a big deal out of sending Kaido flying and making BM’s arm rattle when in fact neither matter cause there was no real damage done... which is the most important thing.

Yes. Because of his Haki, not his physical strength. Which is why I literally made a thread predicting his next power up is "advanced CoA".

You take Big Mom and Kaido out of the equation, and Boundman is busting up everyone else. A Gear 3 already bruised an Admiral.

Imagine Fuji taking Boundman hits to the face. Aokiji was bleeding from Jozu's hits, and Boundman >>> Jozu.

 

[Jo_Ndule]

How did it shatter that conception exactly? Luffy struggled to connect hits in WCI. When he connected, he one shot Cracker, and was about to take down Katakuri in 4 moves.

Go and re-read the Kaido fight. Gear 4 send Kaido flying and crashing through buildings

Your precious Fujitora was bruised by a measly Gear 3 which is like 10x weaker than KG.



You realize on Oro Jackson I literally predicted Luffy's next powerup would be advanced CoA, 10 chapters before it happened?

That was one of my biggest threads there. And I did it because I said Luffy's physical strength is already at the peak of the One Piece world. His problem with Kaido is hardening.



You realize he literally walked away when he could have killed Jozu right?

everyone knew Luffy next PU was AdCoA

Sending defenseless Kaido through building safter many attacks... it wasnt one attack but took him multiple ones.

He wasnt gonna take Kata in 4 moves...who told you Kong Organ will finish Kata? When 3 consecutive attack couldnt even bring his health to 50% nor put him on the floor.
Kata succeeded even to bump his head and regain CoO

Do you think Kata can regain CoO during Kaido consecutives attacks ? Luffy was at Peak of Physical strength Lol


it wasnt because of G4 power alone
Even Luffy himself knew that, that's why he ordered Nami to stop weakening Clones.
G4 power + had biscuits to Beat someone who already said he hates Pain. Lol

 

[sanjikun]

everyone knew Luffy next PU was AdCoA

No they didn't. What the fuck. Most people were predicting awakening. You're such a liar. Hahahaha.

 

[Xione]

Water allowed him to hit Crocodile, it exposed Crocodile as a weak fighter who was strong due to his logia.

As for him tanking that hit from Jozu, where he almost blanked out, and probably would've been done had Jozu followed it up. We forgetting Zoro was alive after taking a highly lethal slash from Dracule? It's not like Jozu's shoulder block would've 1-shot Alabasta luffy lol.

So no Crocodile is just a weak sauce fighter with a powerful logia. But once the logia stuff is countered, he's not hard to handle.

 

[Jo_Ndule]

You love posting this quote, without posting the entire dialogue. "You got worked over by a bunch of kids?"

Cracker would literally get KOed by this move

Think about that for a second. If Cracker was there, the battle would instantly end in 5 seconds. No Gear 4, no Gamma Knife, no Colosseum fighters. Instant KO.

Fact of the matter is Law beats Cracker 1 v. 1. He doesn't even need Luffy. Which is the entire point of this thread.

Too weak
Next... also Law and g4 didnt fight together...it was g4 Luffy who beat Doffy .

Cracker had crap dura yet his skills work allow him to get cooked by g2 Luffy and law.

Let Law low/no diff Hawkins first
Cracker low diffed G2 and g3 Luffy who is slightly below DR Law.

Stay salty
He had help and awakening but cant win 1 round vs Luffy

 

[sanjikun]

So no Crocodile is just a weak sauce fighter with a powerful logia. But once the logia stuff is countered, he's not hard to handle.

That's not true. MF was filled with Haki fighters. No one was taking him down. Not even the Admirals.

 

[sanjikun]

Too weak
Next... also Law and g4 didnt fight together...it was g4 Luffy who beat Doffy .

Cracker had crap dura yet his skills work allow him to get cooked by g2 Luffy and law.

Let Law low/no diff Hawkins first
Cracker low diffed G2 and g3 Luffy who is slightly below DR Law.

Stay salty
He had help and awakening but cant win 1 round vs Luffu

Mate. You don't need Gear 4. Cracker gets KOed with Red Hawk. Law shambles him outside of his armour or from behind his soldiers, and he's done. No Gamma Knife, no Gear 4. The match is over in seconds.

Which is my point about matchups. Luffy > Law, but Law would beat Cracker much more easily than Luffy.

 

[HA001]

Mate. You don't need Gear 4. Cracker gets KOed with Red Hawk.

Which is my point about matchups. Luffy > Law, but Law would beat Cracker much more easily than Luffy.

Its not a match up thing with cracker.
Its just g4 is too weak.
Other strength based fighters wouldnt have an issue with crackers style.

 

[sanjikun]

Its not a match up thing with cracker.
Its just g4 is too weak.
Other strength based fighters wouldnt have an issue with crackers style.

How is it too weak when it literally one shot the guy? The problem with Cracker wasn't destroying the soldiers. It was that he could make AN INFINITE amount.

That was his whole point. "I can clap an infinite amount of soldiers into existence".

Luffy's brute strength, his #1 offensive weapon, became essentially useless.

 

[HA001]

How is it too weak when it literally one shot the guy? The problem with Cracker wasn't destroying the soldiers. It was that he could make AN INFINITE amount.

That was his whole point. I can clap an infinite amount of soldiers into existence.

Dont be obtuse. Without nami he loses.
Without nami he couldnt do shit to cracker.
Garp wouldnt need 11 hours plus nami weakening cracker and a situational form to beat cracker.
Why ? Cause hes far stronger than g4

 

[Jo_Ndule]

Mate. You don't need Gear 4. Cracker gets KOed with Red Hawk. Law shambles him outside of his armour or from behind his soldiers, and he's done. No Gamma Knife, no Gear 4. The match is over in seconds.

Which is my point about matchups. Luffy > Law, but Law would beat Cracker much more easily than Luffy.

Law wont even know Cracker is inside armour

Do I need to remind you Luffy couldnt tell Cracker was inside Armour? Law and DR Luffy have similar CoO
Goodluck to g2 Luffy which is trash to cracker and DR Law (barely above g3 luffy) beating Cracker

Genius, redhawk KOs Cracker yet it takes Cannonball and biscuit clones to KO him.
Even if his dura is crap, Cracker lost to g4 + hard biscuit impact.

 

[sanjikun]

Dont be obtuse. Without nami he loses.

That is not true, and there is 0 proof of that. He never used KKG since Dressrosa.

Why ? Cause hes far stronger than g4

Yeah, that's why he got 1 shot. Cause when you're far stronger than someone, you get bodied in 1 hit, and hide like a bitch for the entire fight.

 

[sanjikun]

Law wont even know Cracker is inside armour

Mate, Law has "Scan". Again, understand matchups.

Cracker required a versatile skillset which Luffy didn't have. Law has that skillset, and it doesn't mean Law > Luffy.