Character Discussion Why do people put Shiryu as Blackbeard’s Right Hand Man?

Blackbeard

Blackbeard

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Yasheen said:
Magellan dealt with BB Pirates himself when he let Shiryu out. Shiryu is weaker than Magellan and it took the combined might of the entire crew to take down Magellan. Shiryu was never called Magellan’s equal just that he was feared because he was strong but willing to kill prisoners for fun.

BBs bounty was 0 at the time. Pre timeskip bounties for their crew means nothing since they were trying to keep under the radar.

He wasn’t one shot material for ace; he just wasn’t on Aces level. Post timeskip Burgess was shown to have ryou and insane physical stats.

I just don’t see any other reason for Burgess to be the first captain if not for strength or because Oda plans to make him the strongest. He made Shiryu number 2 why not just make him 1 if he’s Blackbeard’s strongest?
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Yes he was:


With Impel Down earning its impenetrable fame thanks to the combined strength of both Magellan and Shiryu:


And Magellan originally planned to free Shiryu to stop the BBP but Shiryu ignored the orders and helped them later on because he will be executed anyway:


Even Teach compared his presence with Magellan himself:


The only reason why Teach's bounty was 0 is because he layed low during his time on Whitebeard's ship. The crew members were active before joining, Laffitte was stated to be a notorious West Blue criminal who was recognized by Tsuru, all of them earned their own epithets. "Champion", "Supersonic", "Demon Sheriff" and "Death God". so they were still known pre timeskip.

Pre timeskip Burgess was irrelevant in the fight that Teach was worried he would get caught in the crossfire against Ace, post timeskip he barely showed anything that places him above Magellan, let alone DF Shiryu.

This is from Burgess' Vivre Card:



If the ship number indicated strength it would have been mentioned above.
 
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Jo_Ndule

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#22
He's not Right hand man/VC/Firstmate
He's just the strongest commander

Blackbeard said:
You aren't missing anything, anyone saying that King is a first commander is just mistaken, He's an All-Star, Kaido/Meme don't have a first commander. And it was never stated that the Titanic Captains' numbers are ranked by strength either.

Shiryu is clearly portrayed as the strongest commander nonetheless.

He was someone who Magellan let loose to single-handedly deal with the BBP. He, along with Magellan were responsible for watching over the strongest prisoners in the entire world for years. Even unnamed level sixth criminals each can wipe off a country, let alone legendary figures like Avalo, Wolf, Devon and Vasco. By feats, even without a devil fruit Shiryu was still Magellan's equal, the same man who effortlessly destroyed the Revolutionaries' G commander in base and made Warlords run from him. Burgess' bounty during that time was 20 millions, and he was one shot material for Ace.

Post timeskip Shiryu even received a new strength boost, so i'm not sure the ship number justifies placing Burgess above him when the difference in portrayal between the two is like heaven and earth.
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Wrong...All stars are all Kaido's right hand men/most trusted men. Kaido has 3 people he trusts the most.

Perospero is Linlin firstmate as first son, she trust him the most too ..just look at how they collab and talk. BMP is a family, nobody says "right hand man/first mate" in a biological family

Teach trusts Burgess or lafitte mire than Shiryu

Being the strongest =/= being the firstmate or Right hand man... it doesn't usually work like this.

Shiryu joined after Burgess and co
Kata was born after Pero
Oden joined after Rakuyo , Marco ,... Oden couod have been the Right hand man if he remained with wb longer.

Unless the crew lasts 4+ years, teach crewmates do not even trust shiryu fully yet.
 
ImmaIvanoM

ImmaIvanoM

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Yasheen said:
the numbers don’t matter why do people say that King is first commander just due to his name?
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The beast pirates are a meritocracy Unlike Any other yonko crew

in the beast pirates you can’t be King unless you’re the strongest. And the strongest is always the right hand man

that’s why shiryu is the right hand man, because he’s the strongest
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Jo_Ndule said:
Wrong...All stars are all Kaido's right hand men/most trusted men.
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@Jo_Ndule
Wrong...Jack has never been called “Right hand man”... That’s a mistranslation... None of the calamities have been called right hand man... Same way Marco has never been called Right hand man, Or Perospero or Katakuri

none of these people have been called first mate or vice captain or any of that... Stop lying
 
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Jo_Ndule

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ImmaIvanoM said:
Oden was 2nd division commander while 17 year old Marco was 1st division commander

Waa Marco above Oden is hierarchy?
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Did you compare teen Marco to Burgess?
Burgess and lafitter are above shiryu in hierarchy
Shiryu is above in power
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ImmaIvanoM said:
The beast pirates are a meritocracy Unlike Any other yonko crew

in the beast pirates you can’t be King unless you’re the strongest. And the strongest is always the right hand man

that’s why shiryu is the right hand man, because he’s the strongest
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@Jo_Ndule
Wrong...Jack has never been called “Right hand man”... That’s a mistranslation... None of the calamities have been called right hand man... Same way Marco has never been called Right hand man, Or Perospero or Katakuri

none of these people have been called first mate or vice captain or any of that... Stop lying
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:seriously:who are the most trusted men ? Right hand men!
 
Blackbeard

Blackbeard

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Jo_Ndule said:
He's not Right hand man/VC/Firstmate
He's just the strongest commander


Wrong...All stars are all Kaido's right hand men/most trusted men. Kaido has 3 people he trusts the most.

Perospero is Linlin firstmate as first son, she trust him the most too ..just look at how they collab and talk. BMP is a family, nobody says "right hand man/first mate" in a biological family

Teach trusts Burgess or lafitte mire than Shiryu

Being the strongest =/= being the firstmate or Right hand man... it doesn't usually work like this.

Shiryu joined after Burgess and co
Kata was born after Pero
Oden joined after Rakuyo , Marco ,... Oden couod have been the Right hand man if he remained with wb longer.

Unless the crew lasts 4+ years, teach crewmates do not even trust shiryu fully yet.
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Who is Kaido's 1st commander?
 
RYNO

RYNO

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Yasheen said:
You can’t be serious with this... no DF Sabo was pretty even with Burgess. And Sabo would absolutely trash Shiryu
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what? burgess was never shown to be equal to sabo, with sabo able to block and destory his CoA coated elbow guard, then you have sabo egging on burgess to attack him with his shock wave elbow to weaken the arenas foundation he even said nice when he dodge a attack, there is nothing that was shown to make them eqaul.
 
Rocks D. Xebec

Rocks D. Xebec

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Burgess does not outrank Shiryu. The Ten Titanic Captains are equal in rank, but Shiryu is the strongest. Oda has stated that the Whitebeard Pirates' Commanders were of equal rank as well. Ace was obviously not the 2nd strongest commander on WB's crew.

Shiryu > Burgess
Jozu & Vista > Ace
Cracker > Smoothie

The idea that Yonko crew ranks, titles, or bounty numbers perfectly correlate with strength is fan headcanon. Cracker only has a smaller bounty than Smoothie because the Marines think he's a single biscuit soldier.
 
Bil02

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Probably has to do with being Zoro's swordman opponent.

Now from what we've seen,All the BB captains seem to be equal in authority and probably close in strength (atleast shiryu and the lvl 6 prisoners).

Bb has no vice captain/First mate as of now and if any were to fill that role,it will probably be Laffite and not shiryu imo.
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Crush said:
Shiryu is a new recruit and his strongest subordinate
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It is not confirmed yet but if Aokilji is really a subordinate of BB,it should be him the Strongest.
 
Garp the Fist

Garp the Fist

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#36
He’s the strongest, but not the right hand, which is Burgess. Shiryu doesn’t have the first ship cause Blackbeard hasn’t known him as long as he has Burgess.

And if Lafitte was the right hand man he’s be the captain of the first ship. Makes sense that Shiryu isn’t, no reason for Blackbeard to pick Burgess above Lafitte though.

We know Shiryu is the strongest of the Titantic Captains because he was given far and away the best portrayal in ID/Marineford, the only time all the Blackbeard’s have been together. Barring the mysterious Tenth.

And all the Titanic Captain’s are equal in rank, like the WB Pirates who’s structure Blackbeard stole. Very different setup to Kaido’s crew, which has the Calamities (King > Queen > Jack) > Flying Six > Headliners > etc.
 
Xlaw

Xlaw

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I don't think the right hand man concept does fit for blackbeard's crew. Tech himself stated that he don't trust those wild guys.
His crew is replica of Xback crew , bunch of strong dudes together with no bond and loyalty.
The right hand man should be trustworthy, should have bond just like Roger - Rayleigh , Shanks - Beckman! I don't see such deep bond , trust and loyalty between Tech and Shyiryu and even with his other crew..
 
Jackteo

Jackteo

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Yasheen said:
I’ve been seeing people on this forum putting Shiryu with other “First Commanders” but Burgess is given the role as Blackbeard’s first captain.

If Shiryu is the first commander of the BB Pirates why isn’t Shiryu the Captain of the First Ship?

If the numbers don’t matter why do people say that King is first commander just due to his name?

Am I missing something where Shiryu was called the first commander? Was it in a Vivre card?
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You know the answer: Zoro fans
 
Mochiman

Mochiman

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Because since his appearance it was emphasized that he was equal or stronger than Magellan and, therefore, he would be, after Teach, the strongest member of Blackbeard's pirates. Besides, the fact of being a swordsman has its parallels with Zoro. But who knows, the second in command could be Burgess or the mysterious 10th Titanic Captain.
 
HA001

HA001

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Kata wasnt a right hand either.

The fan way of right hands is to group the strongest subordinates
Ie oden marco benn shiryu kata king
In terms of actual right hands only benn and maybe marco to oldbeard is actually one.
 
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