Break Week Why do Wano defenders come up with the shittiest excuses for criticism?

#1

Not here to convince any Wano enjoyer that it's a bad arc because everyone has different taste. I just noticed that One Piece fans who want everybody to love Wano come up with the lamest excuses every time Wano is criticized.

"Wano isn't meant to be consumed weekly, reread the arc and most of your criticisms will go away"

Rereading the arc doesn't fix Big Mom being annoying asf this arc and a huge plot convenience, it doesnt suddenly make Queen competent, it doesn't fix Usopp's shitty treatment lol

When Kinemon came back to life with a fart joke, every Goda defender changed the conversation from "Oda should stop doing this fake outs" to "You just want everybody to die to increase tension, this is a manga for kids not adults" in response to one of the most tame criticism of this arc, what's funny is most of the people saying that weren't kids but 17-25 year olds reading One Piece.
 
#4
Both you and the author of this Twitter post have a point. Wano is full of shit, but every other arc is as well. Asspull PUs? Every PU in OP is an asspull, especially those from Enies Lobby (the most wanked arc in the series). No deaths or insignificant deaths? Tell me one arc aside from MF that has ANY deaths. No tension? Same as deaths. No real Kaido flashback? Doffy and BM are the ONLY villains who actually got a flashback longer than 1 chapter. Villains don't usually get flashbacks, and the juicy part of Kaido's flashback (the one with Rocks) is probably something oda is saving for later.

Most other criticism I see comes exactly from what Twitter post wrote, headcanons, theories and agendas. People are butthurt that Wano wasn't Zoro's arc. I was disappointed as well, I had multiple scenarios for Zoro to shine in this arc in my head (no delusional shit like ZKK), but I guess that isn't how Oda imagined HIS story. I was disappointed yes, but bashing the story and the author for not doing something I wanted to happen is a bit ridiculous.

Rereading the arc doesn't fix Big Mom being annoying asf this arc and a huge plot convenience, it doesnt suddenly make Queen competent, it doesn't fix Usopp's shitty treatment lol
And that's exactly the point of this Twitter post. Why shouldn't BM be annoying? Why should Queen be competent? Because that's something you wanted them to be? "That character didn't turn out how I wanted him to be" is not a valid criticism. People think of Yonkos as some all powerful gods of OP (similar to what Madara was in Naruto) and got disappointed when it turned out they are just powerful but not invincible. Akainu said it himself in back in MF, Yonkos are losers. Even now, we have Buggy among the new emperors, which is just further proof that they can be frauds.

What did Usopp do in Fishman Island? Punk Hazard? Skypea? Not every arc can have every strawhat (that isn't M3) shine, especially now when there is 10 of them.

There are a lot of things I didn't like about Wano (not the best, but not the worst arc either, somewhere in the middle) but most of them are related to pacing issues. I've been reading this series for 12 years now and I had a lot of theories and headcanons of my own, most of them never came true, and the actual outcome was sometimes better than what I imagined and sometimes worse (in my opinion ofc).

This is why you, me, and most of the fanbase probably enjoyed preTS a lot more than postTS. Because in preTS we didn't have a road map, we didn't have expectations, anything could happen at any point and everything is a surprise.
They just defeated Crocodile and left Alabasta, what's next? Did you have any idea what next arc would be about? Did you expect a 400 years old ship would fall from the sky which would lead to an adventure in the sky island and pit SHs against a self proclaimed god? They left the sky island, what's next? A train riding on the sea? A city on water? A secret organisation that was never mentioned before and was introduced in the same arc it was defeated in, thus not giving people too much chance to dive too much into the sea of expectations and headcanons?

Now this is my criticism, not only for Wano, but for this entire saga:
Ever since PH people have something like a checklist in their heads for things that HAVE TO happen in order for them to be happy. Everything SHs do is a part of a plan to thwart Kaido, characters are introduced too soon (before they actually get to do something) creating expectations and headcanons. We know what the story is heading towards (Kaido's defeat in this case) and we start creating scenarios in our heads much sooner than we should and get too attached to those scenarios because they sound awesome in our heads. We start overanalyzing everything, having agendas, wanting our favourite characters to shine, trying to find a secret meaning in things that have none (like Kokeshi dolls, giant sword in onigashima etc) and then, delusional ideas like ZKK are born. In the end, things don't go the way we thought they would and we feel scammed, because we believed something that was never meant to be (like Queen being competent or BM being invincible). In this case both Oda and community are to blame. Oda for teasing things he does not intend to deliver upon, and community for taking the bait.

Fortunately, this will end now after Wano is over. Once again we won't know what the next destination will be and what awaits the Strawhats, and OP may finally have that "adventure into the unknown" magic it used to have.




TL;DR Oda is a clown but so are you :cheers:
 
#5

Not here to convince any Wano enjoyer that it's a bad arc because everyone has different taste. I just noticed that One Piece fans who want everybody to love Wano come up with the lamest excuses every time Wano is criticized.

"Wano isn't meant to be consumed weekly, reread the arc and most of your criticisms will go away"

Rereading the arc doesn't fix Big Mom being annoying asf this arc and a huge plot convenience, it doesnt suddenly make Queen competent, it doesn't fix Usopp's shitty treatment lol

When Kinemon came back to life with a fart joke, every Goda defender changed the conversation from "Oda should stop doing this fake outs" to "You just want everybody to die to increase tension, this is a manga for kids not adults" in response to one of the most tame criticism of this arc, what's funny is most of the people saying that weren't kids but 17-25 year olds reading One Piece.
Agreed. Wano was ruined because Lolda wanted to have his cake and ate it, too, and it should be fine to point this out. :cheers:

Wanted us to believe Cook is YC2 level, but spent a decade making him a jobber. :milaugh:

Wanted us to care for Momoron, Otameh, the Scrubbards, and the Wanonese, but made them endlessly uninteresting and not fun to cheer for. :gokulaugh:

Wanted us to care for Oden, but put him on an unbelievable pedestal and instead made us wonder why top tiers worship this Gary Stu. :suresure:

Wanted us to care for Yamato, but introduced her way too late in the game. :doffytroll:

Wanted us to take Beast Pirates as threats, but spent zero efforts building them as a crew. :fujilaugh:

Wanted us to take King as an actual Yonko firstmate, but made him spend the arc on the background. :hihihi:

Wanted us to take Queen as reverse Vegapunk, but made him incompetent as hell. :ronalaugh:

Wanted us to take Jack seriously, but lolnoped him out of the story. :vistalaugh:

Wanted us to take the SHs as a Yonko crew, but one third of them did not even have a legit combat win in the arc. :emohiyo:

Wanted us to take Law and Kidd as Yonko level fighters, but did not give them established PUs or credentials aside from "posing as Luffy's rivals". :risitameh:

Wanted us to take Meme and her crew as legit threats, but treated them as clowns. :kailaugh:

Wanted us to take Crydo as WSC, but instead wrote him as an Oden simp with inconsistent charaterization and zero body count. :lulz:

Wanted us to embrace Nika, but spent 5 chapters building it up and threw away the 25-year old Gomu Gomu no Mi we all have come to know and love. :rolaugh:

Lastly, wanted us to be in awe of the Samurais, but literally cancelled every Zoro plotline to end the arc. :broocry:

Wano is a shitshow of epic proportions and this is factual. :arnoling:
 
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Herrera95

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Still waiting for the explanation of why and how reading complete volumes or arc in a row changes the story than if you read weekly.

I follow up anime since Punk Hazard began and only complained at WCI arc. When anime stopped at Wano I kept up with manga and still complained about Wano until Oden flashback that was awesome. After that I went back to complained again. Weekly manga was already starting the raid.

I do like that everybody showed up though.
 
#8
Still waiting for the explanation of why and how reading complete volumes or arc in a row changes the story than if you read weekly.
if you binge you dont have the wait time for chapters and breaks.

binging DR was slightly more enjoyable than reading it weekly. But yeah, its not a significant change
 
#9
Still waiting for the explanation of why and how reading complete volumes or arc in a row changes the story than if you read weekly.
How one perceives things is greatly effected.

Continuous reads have the emotional build up, since there's no week long break. If I read Wano from the moment it started to the time it finishes, it's a continuous ride without any stops of the speculations/discussions/arguments having any effect on my perception. And long, sometimes multiple week breaks that fuck up the flow. Your brain also keeps the connection to the events that happened in the past better.

The idea that you can read week to week, then argue against people about characters and certain expectations you'd have for the future in how you want the story to go, especially when you've staked you pride on those speculations, without having your perception affected by all those things... just doesn't make sense and is virtually not possible.
 
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Herrera95

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How one perceives things is greatly effected.

Continuous reads have the emotional build up, since there's no week long break. If I read Wano from the moment it started to the time it finishes, it's a continuous ride without any stops of the speculations/discussions/arguments having any effect on my perception. And long, sometimes multiple week breaks that fuck up the flow. Your brain also keeps the connection to the events that happened in the past better.

The idea that you can read week to week, then argue against people about characters and certain expectations you'd have for the future in how you want the story to go, especially when you've staked you pride on those speculations, without having your perception affected by all those things... just doesn't make sense and is virtually not possible.
I had the experience of watching One Piece in a row until FI finished and then watch it weekly until Wano. I'm saying it was the same experience if not better since I got hype up for next episode to come soon.
 
#11
I had the experience of watching One Piece in a row until FI finished and then watch it weekly until Wano. I'm saying it was the same experience if not better since I got hype up for next episode to come soon.
I don't watch anime, so can't speak for it. Only read the manga, and have enjoyed any series i've read, less when on a week to week, compared to one full go.
 
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Herrera95

#12
I don't watch anime, so can't speak for it. Only read the manga, and have enjoyed any series i've read, less when on a week to week, compared to one full go.
I could say the same about Black Clover but it was story quality that dropped so much the show went to hiatus.
 
#19
I wonder what is « legit criticisms » for those people? :seriously:

The One Piece community is the only one where having expectations for evident narrative build-ups is a bad thing. I imagine that, for them, we should not expect Luffy to fight Blackbeard :kayneshrug:
 
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