General & Others Why does Luffy have to do everything so young?

[Celestial D. Dragon]

But if the world grows with Luffy, that make even less sense that he would be pirate king in his twenties, if others are growing along with him. If the two year Timeskip only made the Strawhats stronger than him doing everything in the next four years could make sense. But with others growing stronger and after it too him doing everything so young doesn't work. Roger and the others in their Era were in their forties and fifties. And had twenty plus years more experience.

You're misunderstanding me. While the Straw Hats would be off training to become stronger, characters like Kaido, Big Mom, Blackbeard, Kid, Law, etc... etc.. etc.. Are still moving forward in the race to become Pirate King. Whitebeard is what kept everyone from from advancing towards the throne. He no longer exists. The door has been blown wide open, and now it's just a matter of time before someone reaches Raftel.

When you have someone like Blackbeard who is inching his way to the Top, at a rate of just as fast, if not faster than Luffy, then it becomes abundantly clear that the Straw Hats can not afford to be gone for a decade, or even half a decade. Oda would have to put the entire world on pause, and that is just not feasible.

 

[Dettles]

You're misunderstanding me. While the Straw Hats would be off training to become stronger, characters like Kaido, Big Mom, Blackbeard, Kid, Law, etc... etc.. etc.. Are still moving forward in the race to become Pirate King. Whitebeard is what kept everyone from from advancing towards the throne. He no longer exists. The door has been blown wide open, and now it's just a matter of time before someone reaches Raftel.

When you have someone like Blackbeard who is inching his way to the Top, at a rate of just as fast, if not faster than Luffy, then it becomes abundantly clear that the Straw Hats can not afford to be gone for a decade, or even half a decade. Oda would have to put the entire world on pause, and that is just not feasible.

Okay I get what you're saying.
But I disagree still. We can still have a mad dash with everyone going for One Piece, and still get a good ten years in World to do it. Remember it's not simply getting to the Island fastest, you need all four Poneglyghs and someone to read them plus possibly other things. We only know of three of the four and that means everyone who wants to go to Raftel needs to collect everything first.

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

Okay I get what you're saying.
But I disagree still. We can still have a mad dash with everyone going for One Piece, and still get a good ten years in World to do it. Remember it's not simply getting to the Island fastest, you need all four Poneglyghs and someone to read them plus possibly other things. We only know of three of the four and that means everyone who wants to go to Raftel needs to collect everything first.

Again, the reason why nobody was capable of collecting all Four Poneglyphs and reaching Laugh Tale since Roger's death is because of Whitebeard. He was the proverbial brick wall that stood in everyone's way. Oda tore down that Wall with the Marineford War. There is nothing standing in anyone's way anymore.

Ever since Whitebeard's death, Big Mom, Kaido, and Blackbeard have all been making preparations to go to war. Shanks is probably doing the same, as he knows it is now inevitable. These guys aren't going to wait another 5-10 years to go for the Throne. They are geared up and ready, now. There is no longer going to be anymore small skirmishes. This will be full blown war between the superpowers. This isn't even counting Dragon and the Revolutionaries who have also finished their preparations to go to war with the Celestial Dragons.

All this will be taking place while the Straw Hats are gone for 10 years. What are they coming back to? Even if nobody reaches Laugh Tale in that timeframe, they've literally missed all the World changing events. By that time the Marines could be wiped out and the Revolutionaries have set up a new system. 2-3 Yonko's have fallen in the great war, or even all 4 of them have taken eachother out. All the Top Tier's and greatest threats to the Straw Hats are gone. Either past their prime, or dead. The Straw Hats come back as these absolute powerhouses to fight who?

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

Because One Piece is a shounenSame thing goes for Naruto, Gintama, Bleach, etc

 

[Sadistic Senpai]

Gintama was a shonen, and Gintoki was in his 20s.

Yeah, that's why Gintama is best series to ever exist
It doesn't follow any rules to begin with, you expect it to follow age?
Lol

One piece series is different in that it follow the rules of shonen jump
You can even see Oda's statement regarding the timeskip be "ONLY 2 years"
Underline the word "only" in Oda's statement

 

[Dettles]

Again, the reason why nobody was capable of collecting all Four Poneglyphs and reaching Laugh Tale since Roger's death is because of Whitebeard. He was the proverbial brick wall that stood in everyone's way. Oda tore down that Wall with the Marineford War. There is nothing standing in anyone's way anymore.

Ever since Whitebeard's death, Big Mom, Kaido, and Blackbeard have all been making preparations to go to war. Shanks is probably doing the same, as he knows it is now inevitable. These guys aren't going to wait another 5-10 years to go for the Throne. They are geared up and ready, now. There is no longer going to be anymore small skirmishes. This will be full blown war between the superpowers. This isn't even counting Dragon and the Revolutionaries who have also finished their preparations to go to war with the Celestial Dragons.

All this will be taking place while the Straw Hats are gone for 10 years. What are they coming back to? Even if nobody reaches Laugh Tale in that timeframe, they've literally missed all the World changing events. By that time the Marines could be wiped out and the Revolutionaries have set up a new system. 2-3 Yonko's have fallen in the great war, or even all 4 of them have taken eachother out. All the Top Tier's and greatest threats to the Straw Hats are gone. Either past their prime, or dead. The Straw Hats come back as these absolute powerhouses to fight who?

I think the issue we have is you think the entire years in World has to come from a timeskip. While I think the Strawhats continue their adventures and are active over the next years. Fighting the Yonko and the others, looking for Treasure, hints, clues, and over their adventures they don't just get these quick power ups but grow more slowly.
Instead of spending two weeks on an island maybe two months of three.

 

[Ravagerblade]

Yeah, that's why Gintama is best series to ever exist
It doesn't follow any rules to begin with, you expect it to follow age?
Lol

One piece series is different in that it follow the rules of shonen jump
You can even see Oda's statement regarding the timeskip be "ONLY 2 years"
Underline the word "only" in Oda's statement

Yeah, It goes back to what I said earlier; Oda is stuck in that small little box of thinking. I can't believe it.

 

[Sadistic Senpai]

Yeah, It goes back to what I said earlier; Oda is stuck in that small little box of thinking. I can't believe it.

No one has as big of balls as Sorachi

So, yeah... people shouldn't bring out Gintama as a way to say Oda might do this or that when Gintama is on its own world

the best way to describe the situatiom is the "Toilet paper scene"
From Gintama, where Gorilla-san Kondo, described Gintoki to be on a whole different universe of his own

That's how Gintama is compared to other shows

Also, let's not forget that Gintoki was established already as a TOP notch fighter at his absolute best from episode one

It's not like he was getting stronger like other shonen series and has ways to go
So it's natural to Not be a teen

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

I think the issue we have is you think the entire years in World has to come from a timeskip. While I think the Strawhats continue their adventures and are active over the next years. Fighting the Yonko and the others, looking for Treasure, hints, clues, and over their adventures they don't just get these quick power ups but grow more slowly.
Instead of spending two weeks on an island maybe two months of three.

That's still not possible either. In order for that to happen, the Straw Hats would have to visit hundreds of Islands, or spend months on every Island they visit. The World is still turning while they do that, and the story becomes a convoluted mess with Oda trying to balance out what is going on with the Straw Hats, and how the World is still going, but for some reason it's at a snail's pace. You'd have stuff like.

Year 1 - Kaido: "Hurry up Joker! We need to spark the greatest War the World has ever seen!"

Year 2 - Kaido: "Yes! The preparations are alomst complete! Only took a year, but it's going to happen!"

Year 3 - Kaido: "Ok, a minor setback, but this, this is the year!"

Year 4 - Kaido: "Are you kidding me? We still not ready?"

Year - 5 Kaido: "......."

And so on and so forth.

 

[Dettles]

That's still not possible either. In order for that to happen, the Straw Hats would have to visit hundreds of Islands, or spend months on every Island they visit. The World is still turning while they do that, and the story becomes a convoluted mess with Oda trying to balance out what is going on with the Straw Hats, and how the World is still going, but for some reason it's at a snail's pace. You'd have stuff like.

Year 1 - Kaido: "Hurry up Joker! We need to spark the greatest War the World has ever seen!"

Year 2 - Kaido: "Yes! The preparations are alomst complete! Only took a year, but it's going to happen!"

Year 3 - Kaido: "Ok, a minor setback, but this, this is the year!"

Year 4 - Kaido: "Are you kidding me? We still not ready?"

Year - 5 Kaido: "......."

And so on and so forth.

That's what the last two years was like. Preparing. We have the Marines, WG, CP0. Who aren't going to just let the pirates do whatever they want.
We still have tons of Islands to go to, and we don't even know we're the forth poneglygh is.
We have time.
It took over twenty years from the end of the Rocks Pirates to get to One Piece, after the last road block was destroyed.
We have the entire world to explore even with everyone searching.
Instead of these world changing events happening in the spand of a week, have it something like Elbaf take a few months, maybe they have information about the void century.
We don't need to have characters just sit around, have them do things, to prepare without it only taking a week or two.

 

[Worst]

BC Luffy will become PK in a different way than Roger did, Roger became PK because he reached Raftel before anyone else (and was the first (and probably the first pirate) in centuries to do so) Luffy can't do it like roger,reaching Raftel and then PK he have to overthrow the WG and that's something strength alone can't accomplish

 

[Dettles]

BC Luffy will become PK in a different way than Roger did, Roger became PK because he reached Raftel before anyone else (and was the first (and probably the first pirate) in centuries to do so) Luffy can't do it like roger,reaching Raftel and then PK he have to overthrow the WG and that's something strength alone can't accomplish

Exactly, so why does Luffy have to do it by his Twenties?

 

[Worst]

Exactly, so why does Luffy have to do it by his Twenties?

It's not that he have it's that he's the only one that can do it xD

 

[Drachenblut]

Besides the arguments that op is a shonen manga.

I don't like the comparison to roger.
Luffy is somebody who has to surprass roger. Someone whom even roger awaited. He IS joyboy. The choosen one. You can't compare him to roger.


If you want to compare someone to roger, it is obviously ace. Ace was 3 years older than luffy, meaning past ts ace was 1 year older than post ts luffy.


Which one of them is stronger? Obviously luffy. And no, I don't see ace as weak. But the wano luffy is clearly stronger than ace.


So, if the protagonist were ace, you would be right. He would neee more time to grow. As he would be comparable to roger.
But it is luffy. Who is comparable to joyboy. Or to be precise, he IS joyboy.

So it does make sense. Imo.

 

[Fn Lucci]

Obviously it's a Shonen manga, but it's also sort of the whole point of what he's writing, to tell that demographic...

 

[Longleg Larry]

Cuz Luffy (Chopper can confirm) treats his life force like a punching bag

 

[Kucing Pencuri]

Some freak really bashing Oda just because he have MC that is young? Fucking dumb, Luffy and his crew get a lot of help in achieving their dream and most of them are adult. Also bringing Gintoki lol. Gintama is a parody gag manga, and if i remember correctly, it's explained despite Gintoki is 20+, he has childish personality so the young age can relate and like him.

"Huaa huaaa... but but Oda is a in a small box thinker pathetic, that still stuck in small thinking bcs he made his MC young, i as a super duper zuper open minded people dont buy this bullshit, like what is this must be Shonen argument, must be blinded fanboy huaa huaaa....."

Fucking seriously, imagine being edgy by calling someone narrow minded because having a young MC. But i guess, the author of Naruto, HxH, Death Note, Bleach, Demon Slayer, Full Metal Alchemist and many more are still stuck in small box.