Questions & Mysteries Why does Zoro need to know King’s race to win? Cant he just cut his head off?

#23
zoro's strength is not an issue because he can easily cut kaido, zoro was making kaido look like a noob.

king has some secret ability that increase his durability far beyond that of dragons and dinosaurs.
zoro needs to know why king doesn't take damage, and he knows that the source of king's ability is not his devil fruit, so that leaves only one thing "race", which zoro never heard of, and he needs to figure it out asap before the medicine effect runs out.

if zoro had the phoenix flames that can damage anything, he would've one shoted king with onigiri.

why people didn't ask this question when queen was asking sanji about diable jambe? i sense agenda.
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i think that linking king's race to his fight against zoro is bad writing, it's a lazy way to make the fight much harder than it should be.
if king can be damaged like other people, he would've been defeated a long time ago.
 
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#25
Okay i get it. Oda wants to do a Daz Bones/Pica thing where there is a trick to the fight but he has royally fucked up.

The only race ability King has is his fire powers which Zoro already nulls. So the Daz Bones cutting steal or Pica making sure he cant manipulate earth by stranding him in mid air type tactic is already done. The important part of King’s race is his fire powers and they already do not matter.

Oda is now adding another thing to King’s race apparently. He now has some kind of hyper regeneration that border of Kaido’s regeneration where damage seems to vanish from page to page. Okay. But Zoro already scarred Kaido. Zoro has already shown being capable of permanent damage on people with ridiculous regeneration… Unless you want to argue that King has better Regeneration than Kaido which is highly unlikely.

So the question remains, cant zoro just cut his Head off? Like would Zoro cutting King’s head off not work no matter what King’s race is? What about cutting an arm or a leg or a wing off? Are we supposed to believe Zoro needs a physical stat boost? Or a Haki boost? Or a tactic? Like what is Zoro even talking about?
Man according to your speculation zoro can just cutoff head of shanks, big mom who has lower defense than kaidou
 
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#26
Because this dumb as fuck manga can't get any worse. That is why.

Oda dried most of his overused writing schemes from pre-time skip so it's becoming more and more visible.

This is nothing more than Zoro vs Mr.1 + Luffy vs Katakuri put into one.

He needs to confirm if he is black enough so Oda can give him a proper power-up for it. Police Officer Zoro for a reason.
 

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#27
Yes, I agree and what is really interesting is their power revolves around being difficult to hurt.

Marco: regeneration - he can instantly heal from any attack.

Katakuri: clairvoyance - his FS allows him to evade attacks by seeing the attack before it's performed. If he can't be hit, can't be hurt.

King: durability - incrediblly tough body, plus whatever else he has, make some hard to hurt.

Shiryu: invincible - it's hard to hit what you can't see, follow, or track.

Ben: full body barrier haki? Think about Vergo and Pica but with much stronger invisible barrier haki. His opponents wouldn't realize why they can't hurt him at first.
King is extremely well-rounded, so is Shiryu, Ray, and Beckman. Yes they all have a special stat, but who doesn't? Every top-tier has a special stat. The thing that makes Ray, King, Shiryu, and Beckman much above the rest and top-tiers are that their overall stat average is very, very high. That's because they're so well rounded.


Whereas, while Marco has has Regeneration and great stamina, his defense and offense is shit. I say defense because his defense is basically just taking damage, which still ultimately affects him because there is cap to how much damage he can take.


And while Katakuri has FS and, quote on quote, "good speed", his endurance and offense are absolutely shot shit. Even his defense is only "good" against those slower than him. Which isn't much considering he's a right hand, and his speed is easily countered by low-high-tier competent new world combatants.


Kat and Marco have to rely on their special stats to compete. King, Shiryu, Beckman, and Ray do not.
 
#29
I would not be too sure cause Zoro's stamina is presumably lacking due his rooftop clash, but worst case scenario he would have found a way out easier.
That doesn’t seem likely. Zoro got healed and was given time to take a nap to recuperate. At this junction everyone has been fighting all night. Even law and kid who are still fighting big mom. It’s clear Odas trying to show that at this moment Zoro is weaker than King.
 

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#30
That doesn’t seem likely. Zoro got healed and was given time to take a nap to recuperate. At this junction everyone has been fighting all night. Even law and kid who are still fighting big mom. It’s clear Odas trying to show that at this moment Zoro is weaker than King.
That's not much considering the entity of the fight. A little napkin is most likely not recovering Zoro fully or even remotely close. He even tackled Hakai in the past as well as a substantial rooftop fight and only then started to huff profusely. Did never mention about any stamina issue either.
 
#31
That's not much considering the entity of the fight. A little napkin is most likely not recovering Zoro fully or even remotely close. He even tackled Hakai in the past as well as a substantial rooftop fight and only then started to huff profusely. Did never mention about any stamina issue either.
Yes and he got “hyper recovery” medicine. After which mentioned nothing about him not recovering his stamina. we have no reason to assume the medicine didn’t recover is stamina.
 

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#32
Yes and he got “hyper recovery” medicine. After which mentioned nothing about him not recovering his stamina. we have no reason to assume the medicine didn’t recover is stamina.
It's the most likely scenario and I literally explained you why but as usual you didn't understand the reasoning. :seriously:

Also healing bones is different from healing stamina. It's the bones to have been mentioned, never something different implicated although that does not necessarily mean only the bones were healed but just sayin'.
 
#35
He's probably just cauterizing every wound Zoro makes with the flames on his back or some shit. Either that or King's race has some regenerative abilities that makes him harder to damage than Kaido.

Simply cutting his head off is a bit difficult - not like he's just gonna let that happen. That's a lethal move that requires a pretty big opening and King has shown that his CQC abilities are highly impressive. It's like saying why didn't he just aim Asura at Kaido's neck.

And Kaido doesn't have super regeneration otherwise you wouldn't be able to scar the guy which has happened twice now. He just has super high durability and recovers quickly. King is saying he has equally high durability but that he takes it a step further, so scarring Kaido doesn't mean you're able harm King using the same methods.

Cutting off his head or an arm/whatever is not that simple; Zoro and King are close enough in strength to where Zoro can't exploit this option. He can't make an opening that large atm.
 
#37
Imo Oda is plainly obvious leading it back to that whole lunarian package in order to a) make it a relevant, half hearted lore dropping theme and b) in order to give a sophisticated and tangible reason why Zoro's getting clapped for now, cause all those overpowering features, do actually stem from his racial advantage primarily.

But honestly that's a little BS.
The version of Zoro King was fighting until now is basically pre Enma Zoro in a sense. He's basically plot restricted for now, just like when Zoan users getting clapped even tho they never went hybrid.
Imo this puzzle will be solved by him making use of Enma's haki suck up quirk in one way or the other, like he did on the rooftop for Hiryu Kaen and Tatsumaki, tremendously boosting his AP.
With that he should surpass him in everything he was now unable to, i.e. overcoming his durability and winning a clash of power.
 
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